Nixon, Colson & Haldeman on ITT case and Richard Kleindienst

3:00I'll save that for the end of the ITP case.
3:15Well, what are they going to say?
3:28Yes.
3:29Yes.
3:29Yes.
3:30Yes.
3:30Yes.
3:53Sure.
3:54It's a marvelous story.
3:55It's perfect.
3:56In fact, I wrote a political inquisition, and I said a bedside inquisition in the hospital.
4:01He'll get it.
4:02And the major thing is that he's going to start, he's going to demand now that they terminate the hearings unless there is some other evidence to be offered that bears upon the fitness of Mr. Klein, who used to be Attorney General.
4:19Now that...
4:19The crack that we're in is that Eastland on Sunday, well, the crack that we were in is that Eastland on Sunday said, if you do that, you're going to lose a batch of Democrats.
4:31That's my feeling.
4:33However, we got to Eastland this afternoon, who had not read the press accounts of what happened in Denver, and gave them a complete fill-in, as Marty did, on what had happened, including Kennedy's question.
4:46And Eastland, according to Marty, exploded over the telephone.
4:49He said, that's outrageous.
4:51He said, absolutely outrageous.
4:54He said, I'm going to...
4:54Yes, sir.
5:00God damn it, why can't we get that out?
5:02Well, we've got to attend to him.
5:03We've got to attack him.
5:03I was going to say that one of the wire services said it was acrimonious, but somebody ought to attack him who's there.
5:09That's right.
5:09Will Marlowe do it?
5:10Well, I talked to Marlowe before he left the plane for back here.
5:13I wrote him an old Irish attorney, and I told him, well, he ought to get out there and say, as a defender of women, I attacked with vicious tactics, and the senator attacked him.
5:23Well, that made him a woman.
5:23He didn't have to get the fact without being...
5:28Well, Rusk has been asked to use it, and they.
5:32Scott has been asked to use it, and they.
5:34And they're having a joint press conference at 4.
5:37Cook has been asked to, and I think he might.
5:40And we've prepared one for Dole, if he'll give it.
5:42So if somebody will attack Kennedy, you're going to surface the issue.
5:46But Eastland... Eastland might.
5:52Apparently he got very angry over this.
5:54He said, I want that woman to finish her testimony.
5:57But I'm not going to subject her to that sort of treatment again.
5:59We're going to permit her to finish her testimony by affidavit.
6:03And I would like to have her affidavit concluding everything she wants to say, put it into the committee record.
6:09And then I'm ready to join with the Republicans in hollering to bring this thing to an end now.
6:15Eastland has been very slippery with us at times, but if he means what he says, next week we might get these things ended.
6:22Not this week, because Eastland won't come back from Mississippi this week.
6:27In fact, half the Senate is gone.
6:29They're just taking the week off.
6:31Already?
6:32Already.
6:33What the hell are we having a leaders' meeting tomorrow, then?
6:36I was wondering, I saw that, and I was wondering what you did have on the agenda.
6:41You know, really, though, the conduct of this Congress is so disgraceful that somebody's got to hurt you in the ass.
6:46Well, McGregor's agreed to do it Friday, as at least for openness.
6:50Let him.
6:53Well, if he briefs out here...
6:56And if he gets angry about some of the things we haven't done, I think he'll get some pressure.
7:01But Clark is willing to do it.
7:15Well, we do... Marianne is supposed to deny the White House, but hasn't yet.
7:21No, and... And won't.
7:23Well, we have a second problem there.
7:26He's in the Barbados.
7:28And we've been trying to reach him by phone, or his lawyers have.
7:34The difficulty...
7:34Your point is, it wasn't anything to do anyway, but... No.
7:37The difficulty is, Mr. President, that he thinks he did talk to tenants.
7:41I don't mind it.
7:43And so we're trying very hard to nail down the collapse.
7:48He did.
7:49He did.
7:49We don't want to lie about it.
7:51That's why I'm being a little bit careful.
7:54Until we're able to get him on the telephone.
7:57The story I got this morning is from Garrity.
7:59And Garrity said, no, nobody ever called.
8:01That was a made-up thing.
8:03This idea that he only put this out as a way to stop everything.
8:06That, of course, doesn't sound right to me.
8:09No, that was Gary.
8:11Thank God we didn't have Ziggler or Warren to knock on the laptop.
8:18We can't deny that.
8:19Simmons doesn't recall it, but if Marion does, we just have to get that resolved somehow.
8:32What did he say?
8:34What the hell was Simmons doing here?
8:38Well, he was running the convention.
8:40Yes.
8:40I mean, he was in charge of setting up the convention arrangements.
8:44So he would have been the logical one to talk to ITT if they had made a convention pledge.
8:50And if anybody would have talked to him, it would have been logical to him.
8:56We don't want him to deny it.
8:58I don't want any people lying about this damn thing.
9:01No, thus far we've been very, very fortunate that the stories have cracked very well.
9:06I don't want to get us in that position.
9:09Marion, Gary... Why didn't Marion say the only conversation he had with anybody in the White House, with the Christianas, was simply with regard to the convention details, or with regard to hoping he'd stay at the Sheridan Hotel or something?
9:30Oh, it's true.
9:32That's what they said.
9:33That's what they had said.
9:35Yeah.
9:38That's the kind of conversation he had.
9:42It was an old conversation.
9:44See, Timmons is not in the line of fire on this ITT thing.
9:48He talked to Plant and they're in trouble.
9:50No, Timmons isn't, and that's why it... Well, we may get it clarified before 5 o'clock, because we've asked ITT to get something out on the record.
9:58Timmons is a miserable goddamn...
10:02organization to handle their PR, whatever it is, in front of the crisis.
10:06But then after that, I mean, by any means, shake them down to their IT.
10:10Well, the trouble is they have ten people in the act.
10:13That's true.
10:14They're all fighting with each other.
10:15And you can't make a decision, and you call them, and they're in the middle of a committee, and they've got lawyers and investigators, public relations people, and they're watching them.
10:24They always need one man.
10:25That's right.
10:27If you just could put one person to make the decisions, it'd be a breeze.
10:32They did all right for us on Saturday, putting out those test reports.
10:35Yeah.
10:35They handled it very well.
10:37But most people just find it like they're going to be all for it.
10:44Is there anything, or do you think that's all?
10:46No, that was what we wanted to do, but they didn't want it.
10:50They didn't want to do it unless they were called in.
10:52The two experts felt that it would look like they were promoting themselves.
10:58Yeah, I would love to have done that, but...
11:01We were on such thin ice getting what we wanted out of them that I didn't want it.
11:04Well, we'll see.
11:06The committee goes on with its hearings.
11:08The Republican system calling on the experts.
11:12Sure.
11:12Absolutely.
11:14But I think if indeed Eastland is mad, and I...
11:18I think what we have to be prepared for is that the Senate may not confirm it.
11:23I'd say the odds now are very tough.
11:25I've been saying that all along.
11:27I think that...
11:28Wally Johnson had always said that he couldn't be confirmed, and Mitchell said, oh, yes, he can.
11:32But I don't think, I think Mitchell misses a little bit.
11:34He always said he worked, because, you know, naturally he recommended it.
11:40But if he isn't going to be confirmed, then you should get it over with, and I'll send another name down there, and that's that.
11:47At this point, we wouldn't lose a one.
11:51If we had a vote tomorrow, we wouldn't lose a single Republican.
11:55Pure Republicans.
11:56They sacrifice this.
11:58They sacrifice this.
12:00That's right.
12:15That's all the more reason why I want to force the issue.
12:18I want to get them to have to face it head on.
12:22All they have to do?
12:23Well, they're going to... And the committee's got to get on to other business.
12:27Somebody ought to start slashing the committee.
12:30What the hell is he doing with the moratorium?
12:33Get him on the moratorium.
12:34The busing moratorium legislation.
12:37That's supposed to be next, isn't it?
12:38Yes, sir.
12:39Why the hell would they get him on that?
12:42That's a good time to start.
13:03Well, I'm not sure I can sign this thing.
13:21HR, what?
13:23What?
13:23Change my mind.
13:26I did have you know sign it, Tom.
13:28I had a thousand dollars.
13:29It'll save you.
13:31I had some serious doubts about it.
13:33I decided to take another check on it.
13:39You could have checked the Ziegler right away if it was going to breathe it.
13:44It's breathing now.
13:47It was supposed to start at 3 o'clock.
13:50Oh, it's breathing on this one?
13:52Yes, sir.
13:53Send it back in.
13:56We're done.
14:01I think what you'd better do is get a... Oops.
14:04He understands he's already...
14:41That's another good line of attack, but they can't handle the busing issue as long as they're trying.
14:45Try and get some people on the phone on that.
14:47What the hell?
14:48Why don't they get off of this and get the busing legislation over here?
14:51Yeah, but Griffin would love to sit.
14:53Why doesn't he say this?
14:54Yeah, I'll get Griffin to sit here.
14:55He's here at 10.
14:57He's hung up there.
14:58You just said the Senate is hung up here.
15:01You're bussing to try to go forward.
15:07We'll maybe use this with tomorrow's colloquy.
15:09Today we have, with Scott, Rusker, Cook, and Dole, we have a pretty good lineup.
15:16The Senate just opened today.
15:19No, but Rusker and Scott had their press conference at 4.
15:21Cook, we had a range of press conferences at Delos when he arrived from Denver.
15:25And Dole was put out of safety.
15:29No, there are really virtually no one in the Senate today.
15:35He was saying that half the Senate is gone.
15:37I have to start the week.
15:38So we have a meeting tomorrow.
15:40I hope for what?
15:41There's a Senate meeting tomorrow.
15:44She doesn't make any difference to the Senate.
15:45The question is, is the Senate able to do business?
15:48The goddamn Senate, the fights are all the way.
15:51I know, I knew that.
15:51But they didn't meet today, so they had a reason to be away.
15:55Their Senate was closed.
15:56I guess why the Senators haven't left.
16:00And they're going to stay away like Easter.
16:02Like Eastman said, he wouldn't be, wouldn't come back this week at all.
16:05And the Ruskers said that Gurney had gone to Florida, and that he and the Papayas had gone to the west coast.
16:11You see, that's a committee.
16:13Don't have any illusions that they're going to be back here for the next meeting tomorrow.
16:18There's no vote.
16:18Are they having a vote tomorrow?
16:23I don't know.
16:24I'd like to say that, you know, talk about the vote there.
16:29How are they going to earn their money?
16:33Well, I think you've done the forgetting.
16:35I think you've done as good as you can on the thing.
16:42The thing about it is this, that now Merriam says he's afraid he did talk to Timmons.
16:50So, what did Timmons say?
16:51Timmons said he did not until after this event.
16:54Then he talked to Merriam.
16:55Merriam may not remember.
16:56That's the whole problem.
16:59Well, it wouldn't surprise me in the end.
17:01That's the point.
17:04I told, we've never gotten out there now on any line that we haven't, that we've denied it.
17:13But the point is, they say he talks to him, he had an adventure, and it's about the staying at the Sheraton Hotel.
17:20I talked to Gary this morning, and he said it was just a ruse to get
17:25He didn't tell the truth.
17:26I don't want him to deny it.
17:32For Christ's sake, don't get down that road.
17:35And don't hit Dennis down that road.
17:37It's not any worth a damn.
17:39They'll say, well, now, everyone call Timmons down.
17:47Well, I think talking to Timmons, for example, it would...
17:52If they had probably planned it, for example, that would be different, because he doesn't do it at the convention.
17:58It's a little like a straight deal, so I'm sorry.
18:00See?
18:01But the town is going to practice it at the convention.
18:07Well, that's right.
18:07In fact, that's the first thing that actually made that point.
18:10One of the points that he made was that if he would give this money, the president would stay at the hotel, or that would be the president's headquarters hotel.
18:19The tenants was the guy at the White House that's handing convention arrangements.
18:26It would be logical to ask.
18:28So for Christ's sake.
18:29I think he did agree that that would be the corporate hotel or whatever they asked.
18:36Well, for Christ's sake.
18:40Well, everybody has understood I was staying at a hotel.
18:42But they have a setup, you know, with all the
18:48White House people that are going to be here for the platform thing.
18:51Ziegler just put out the fact that I'm sitting in San Clemente already.
18:56I think he did last week.
19:01Well, I've started doing any of it in this prison, and I wouldn't get on it.
19:06In fact, if you agreed to the sheriff, it won't be the headquarters hotel.
19:09You've got to knock that off now anyway.
19:12I mean, there's no reason to stick out there and get your head chopped off or, you know, I'm just going to have it.
19:17You were talking about that, that Jeanine would withdraw this thing because they said it wasn't going to be here or something.
19:24That's good.
19:24See, that was part of his, that was what he was doing.
19:27He's got a new hotel that hasn't built yet.
19:29It's going to be done in time for the convention.
19:32That's right.
19:32In order to launch that new hotel, they wanted to have it be there.
19:36Yeah.
19:38That's what he had testified to yesterday.
19:40It was her idea to get business into their new hotel.
19:45Fine.
19:45All right.
19:45It's not going to be the headquarters hotel.
19:51I just can't do it now, Bob.
19:53It's too late now.
19:55I don't care what it is.
19:57Since the goddamn convention, that's good, too.
19:59It's Wilson, the rest of the crew, but not anyway.
20:04I don't agree, John.
20:06Right now, you go walking into the Sheraton Hotel, there'll be pictures, there'll be the television picture, there'll be the ITT.
20:13I don't think you should go into any hotel and say, I'm not, but we shouldn't have it as the president's...
20:20It means that we must be, we must be oblivious to what the PR is on this one.
20:26I just walk away from it.
20:27Then you can't go to Arnold Smith's hotel either, I guess.
20:30I couldn't agree more.
20:31Just stay the hell out of the hotels.
20:33Use a motel.
20:34Use nothing, anything.
20:35He said it's a valley high.
20:36Yeah, sure.
20:37It doesn't make all that much difference.
20:41What was that place?
20:42Beautiful.
20:43It's 68th.
20:43It's the old U.S. Grand.
20:45The old motel.
20:45It's so nice.
20:47Cortez?
20:48Oh, Cortez, not bad.
20:50I'm worried about her.
20:52Well, on this one, though, believe me, it isn't going to be the hotel, the official hotel of the president.
21:00God damn it, if it is, we're just out of our minds.
21:09What happened to this money tonight?
21:10Oh, they turned it down already.
21:12They were $3,000 or something like that.
21:15$25,000.
21:15Yeah, that's bad.
21:19I think at this time, I wouldn't allow anything to hang out there.
21:24But you don't need to.
21:25It isn't a question as it was earlier when it had been a confession for proof.
21:30But at the present time, with all the dust that's up there, you just don't raise it to truth.
21:37Well, you don't give them something that they can miss.
21:40There's nothing more to that.
21:41There's some way to keep the story going for another day.
21:44Some way to get another story at a later time.
21:47See, that's my theory.
21:48I don't mind fighting, but I don't believe it.
21:51I don't believe in giving people open targets.
21:57When somebody, for example, is under assault, low profile for a while, you know, sticking his head out, getting his head rubbed, his brains knocked out,
22:07But, on this one, what you have to do is to get, despite what he said, is to get a vote.
22:16It's one way or the other.
22:19And get it rejected if necessary.
22:22And then go on to somebody else.
22:23Well, the prospects of getting it rejected are less like horses for a vote now.
22:28And I think everybody, even the Justice Department guys who are fighting us on this early today, they've now come around and agreed that if it drives,
22:37And they call me eleven witnesses that they still have on the witness schedule.
22:42Well, they're never going to get to him.
22:43That's the point.
22:44He'll never get to him.
22:45It'll be at the Democratic Convention.
22:46That will be his speech, every speech.
22:48That's what they're trying to do.
22:54And we're infinitely better off getting Clinton each rejected than having him hang, I think.
23:00That's right.
23:01We should force a vote and not worry about which way it goes.
23:04Either way that it goes is better than it not going.
23:07Well, we were panicked that Eastland wouldn't approve of this press conference, and so Rusker and I agreed we wouldn't call.
23:14And Marty didn't call, and to my amazement, Eastland said, great, about time you guys got clear cooking.
23:27ITT still hasn't been able to reach Marion to get first-hand information.
23:32They'll issue the statement as soon as they can.
23:35But they want to be careful, because he is supposed to be a witness, so they don't want to put out a statement that will be laid out to him.
23:44You just got picked up on there.
23:48That was not a news story.
23:49He said that was an original memorandum.
23:53Telephone call.
23:54Telephone call.
23:56The White House phone call.
23:58If he starts up, I'm sorry you got that phone call from the White House.
24:02Yeah.
24:03And she's referring to Mary.
24:04See, that's why he has to be very careful now what he says.
24:07Yeah.
24:07That's the opening line, if you remember.
24:12And, or I'm sorry, EJG got that phone call from the White House.
24:17Gary, it's unclear whether it was Gary or Mary.
24:26Yeah, that's what she said.
24:27I'm sorry he took that call from the White House.
24:32Do you think that was Tim?
24:35No, well, they were afraid of it, and we think it was Gleason who called Gary, and that we were prepared to be able to just deny no White House call.
24:45But now Merriam thinks that he also got a call from Timmons, which Timmons does not have a call, and until we can be sure Merriam is cleared,
24:59It isn't, you know, what they're trying to make something out of is the new figure, $600,000.
25:04Why the hell would you say that?
25:06I don't know.
25:11That was, that took us all by surprise.
25:14It wasn't in her statement.
25:16She just worded out, God knows...
25:22She did very well with that one exception, that one slip.
25:25$600,000.
25:27How much did they give?
25:34IQB?
25:36How much?
25:38I thought it was $100,000.
25:39Actually, $100,000.
25:39$400,000 was pledged.
25:41$100,000 was given.
25:41The $400,000 pledge was in a couple of parts.
25:50And it was actually only 200 in terms of the cash guarantee.
25:55And the balance was goods and services.
25:57That's what started the whole... And that pledge was not a pledge that they would give.
26:02No.
26:02It was that if they were unable to raise the money from other sources, they would underwrite a shortage.
26:07That's right.
26:08Up to that amount.
26:09And the $100,000 deposited nearly as... Well, actually, it's a good business investment for a hotel, particularly if they got me to stay there, which, of course, I would never do.
26:19Well, even if they made it to the headquarters hotel, because, Christ, look at the publicity, all the platform hearings, all the bust that comes out.
26:26That hotel, the kind of blackstone hotel, nobody had ever heard of it, except for the property.
26:32You understand it cannot be there.
26:33I don't care what, in the name of God, anybody says it cannot be at the Sheridan Hotel.
26:38Just back off of that, if you agree.
26:40Yes, sir.
26:40There's three sheriffs on top, so it can't be that young.
26:44I should say that.
26:49That'd be at the Hilton on down there on the hill, too.
26:52I like that very much.
26:54No, not this time.
27:04Where's Bob Wilson?
27:08He's lying around the way someplace.
27:19We're hoping we can keep him out of town for a while.
27:21Consenting of Hawaii, he is unbelievable.
27:25Yes, he is.
27:26Wouldn't he be a disaster?
27:29He was only here one day last week, and he made a big fuss that he wanted to testify.
27:34Because he had to be out of town the rest of the week.
27:36We finally turned that off and got him out of town.
27:42I don't think he's here this week.
27:44Happily, he's staying distant.
27:46It's confusing as hell.
27:51Well...
27:52I think nothing else is more important to you.
27:59Because...
28:01I think you're right, though.
28:03The backs of our guys haven't been fighting, calling for a vote, and shouting filibuster and smear.
28:15Well, we might even have to boycott the hearings this Wednesday.
28:19The plan was to bring Janine on this Wednesday, and then have an executive session a week from Wednesday,
28:30He'll have a great opportunity without us.
28:32Well, that's what I was thinking.
28:33It is a good witness.
28:34Yeah.
28:35He doesn't need us.
28:36Because our guy doesn't have anything they want to drag out of him.
28:39No, hell no.
28:40In fact, we...
28:41He'll volunteer all the questions he wants.
28:44Yeah.
28:44He's well primed.
28:47But we can raise hell today and raise hell tomorrow, and then Wednesday boycott the hearings, which would be a good signal.
28:54And then Rusko wasn't too keen on that, but I think I'd get him around.
28:59They don't know when they're getting raped.
29:03That's the problem.
29:09They just don't know.
29:10They really don't.
29:14They believe that these guys are trying to be fair, honest.
29:21Ruska had a tabulation of the record of the hearings to date, and 33%...
29:29Of all copy of the transcripts, of all pages, has been Ted Kennedy's questioning.
29:36He has had one third of the hearings, total, which Ruskin said he was going to use at 4 o'clock today.
29:42And the Democrats have had 70% of the questioning time, to 30% for the Republicans.
29:48So it just shows you how poor our fellows are at this.
29:54Well, they have a ten-minute rule, you know, ten-minute... And Kennedy just keeps going.
29:59Apparently they don't enforce it.
30:02And our guys voluntarily observe it because we play by the rules, so...
30:22Oh, that's really, that's what we've been doing.
30:2837 hours behind in questioning.
30:33So we'll take the first 37 hours.
30:35They are now, they're going to start addressing that.
30:40But we have to get caught up first.
30:43Maybe force that issue in that committee.
30:45Take our long supper now.
30:47Right now we have the votes in the committee to get Kleinke's out.
30:50Yes, sir.
30:50To get him out of the committee...
30:53There'll be a hell of a battle on the floor, and a possible filibuster, and the real question is whether we can get 35 senators to break the filibuster.
31:00Well, if you can't, the thing to do is to claim to withdraw.
31:04If he's filibustered, there are ideas.
31:06He must not be in a position where he's still up.
31:09At the time of the Democratic Convention, you understand that law.
31:14You just cannot have that situation.
31:16You couldn't afford it.
31:19Why?
31:20He's already in a forced situation.
31:22Can he come out of there?
31:30Well, it's a straight and party line vote.
31:32Yeah, if it goes in a party line vote, it's a different issue than if they let him die.
31:37If they let him withdraw, it's a huge blast to go over to become Mitchell's deputy running the campaign where we need him.
31:52Let's see if we can get him through for assist.
31:54If we can, that wipes the slate clean.
32:00They'll never let him up.
32:02I see it.
32:03I see it's going to be a filibuster.
32:09Kennedy and Tenney are just playing this for all it is worth.
32:12Don't let him.
32:15We got real guts.
32:16Well, it doesn't even take guts.
32:18All it takes is a minimal amount of intelligence.
32:19It's a good audience for them.
32:21That's right.
32:22What the hell, that's the way they're going to make themselves.
32:24They're putting their thought in our heart, and we just don't have enough guys.
32:36It's true.
32:36It's really sad that we don't.
32:37Well, it's harder to fight because the offense has the super advantage and stuff like that.
32:42The defense isn't.
32:44Terrible disadvantage.
32:45Yeah, but even when we go on the offense...
32:48When we're on the offense, it's just offensive defense.
32:51Yeah, well, of course, they have a terrific advantage.
32:55Perhaps we haven't beaten them range on all the time.
33:01Even though the chairman is with them, he gives them the courtesy of his advantage.
33:07Yeah, he's been weak up until now.
33:09We may sit in his back at this point.
33:19I think if he feels he's got a Republican revolt on his hands, he'll come around.
33:24Because he's been trying to keep harmony on both sides.
33:33Bussing thinks it's a pretty good idea to get the bussing issues back on that.
33:39That's right.
33:40I just feel about the fact that Rickards should say, we've got to get this busing amendment out.
33:44I'll talk about it.
33:45And he ought to say that the committee is delayed, and we're not going to get it through.
33:50They can't come to the conference doing this.
33:52No.
33:52They've got to get this damn thing through.
33:54That's the president's footpiece.
33:56Mm-hmm.
33:56That's the party's footpiece.
33:58Oh, and busing piece.
34:00What all happens turns on on that issue.
34:02Unfortunately, we've got Scott here, and it's a team for it.
34:06The leaders have to be in the army.
34:10Now that would be a good thing to come out of the leadership meeting.
34:13It won't come out of Scott.
34:16It's very important to do that.
34:18But you see, you can't say there was Scott and Scott was for the other people.
34:22Even before there was Scott and Scott.
34:26Maybe if there's going to be a briefing on busing, Scott would be glad to step aside for Griffin.
34:42If Griffin's up this year, let him get the credit.
34:47Maybe it would be very different with that.
34:56We'll bring Griffin in and see what's going to move on this.
35:01Yeah, the system minority leader has taken responsibility for this legislation.
35:06It's a good way for Scott to get off the hook and Griffin to get some proof.
35:18I'll check and see if that's true.
35:20I don't know.
35:22I think you're right.
35:26Whenever you can.
35:28We'll stay with us because the trouble is you've got a very poor bunch of cast characters, Chuck.
35:35It's your problem.
35:37The case is a good one, actually.
35:39I mean, it's, just like we say, it's so immense talk to them.
35:44That's fine.
35:45Just admit it.
35:47Don't state how immense he talks to them.
35:48They called, Janine called him and said, or somebody, whoever it was, Gary, and said, would you stay at our hotel?
35:56And he said, well, I can't, you know, stay.
36:02Or maybe he's got something in writing where it says it's going to be the headquarters of Charlton.
36:07I don't know what the ITT has said.
36:09I don't know what they have said.
36:14No, we've been altered from this side.
36:17And through all Whitehead sites.
36:20He was out there this week when he was supposed to check.
36:27And he was given this.
36:29He was out in San Diego.
36:38Hopefully he's doing exactly what he should do, but we've got to check it out.
36:44This is nice to be sure, I must say.
36:53I don't see how you're going to be able to kill it, though.
36:57I must say, you've got to keep dropping this, not leave the rest, but I must say, looking at it from the standpoint of the other side,
37:08And looking at the fact that they only got two months.
37:11Do they want anybody to do this through April or May?
37:13Well, two months and a half, April, May, middle of June.
37:16Well, they're getting to June, and that's dead.
37:18But you see, Christ, they have a moment to go with that long.
37:24And I think we better start thinking about what the alternatives are.
37:27We better start thinking about what our clients might not have before.
37:32That's what I think.
37:33Well, better than withdrawing this person.
37:35Yes.
37:37You should get a vote.
37:38But you can't get a vote.
37:40No, but better than a withdrawal would be for him to take the gloves off and do what we wanted him to do once before.
37:47And that is just raise holy hell that these hearings that he asked for had turned into this inquisition.
37:55And that, by God, a woman's life was almost sacrificed.
37:59Life turned around.
38:02You see, he might get mad if he could get outraged
38:07The reason he didn't want to do it before, he didn't want to jeopardize the vote.
38:10He's going to lose the vote.
38:12He cannot be confirmed.
38:16You see, the thing is, I can watch this closely, and I never believe a problem he's got.
38:22But declines cannot be confirmed, Attorney General.
38:24Not now.
38:25That's the way it's going right now.
38:27That's right.
38:28So under the circumstances, what you have to do is to make the best of it.
38:33You should make the best of it.
38:34The best you can make is for Clint East to cut loose.
38:37He's got the... Well, so he cuts loose, though.
38:39What happens then?
38:40Oh, then they vote him down.
38:42And they reject him.
38:43But you see, then the case is they voted him down because he stepped forward and said...
38:50I don't think they'll let him get to a vote.
38:52That's my point.
38:53They voted him down fine, but how the hell did he still get by that point?
38:57You mean the fact that he attacks him, makes him vote him down?
39:00Well, he could give him another make.
39:02He could demand a vote within 30 days, or two days, or something like that.
39:07What he could do is turn the tables by saying, I asked these people, and what has happened now is that decent people are being smeared.
39:15And also, I can't allow the Justice Department to go without these things.
39:20It's a very important matter that I've got plussing interventions that I have approved.
39:25That's right.
39:26And this is weakening the whole world.
39:28It's really quite true.
39:29By doing that, submitting his resignation, or his withdrawal, effective the 15th, that there hasn't been action in the Senate by that time.
39:39Do it two steps at last, which will cause them to scream and might begin to search a little further.
39:46And then a quiet thing saying, in order to not impede the operation of the department, all of us, the Senate must act.
39:54If the Senate doesn't act by the 15th, I will be gone.
39:57By the 15th of April?
39:59No.
39:59You're saying it is clear that the Senate...
40:02The way I might put it this way, it's clear that the Senate Democratic leadership has determined to delay this confirmation and not bring it to a vote.
40:15This is a highly irresponsible act.
40:17I will not allow the Justice Department...
40:22Officer, I revere the use in this way.
40:24If I have not confirmed with the 15th, I'll submit my resignation.
40:29All I ask is to vote, up or down.
40:31But, uh, let's, uh, we've been out there all this time.
40:38Yes, sir.
40:40Well, in a way, it's better than just withdrawing his name, because he's doing it on a fighting basis.
40:44Yeah.
40:45Throwing the gauntlet down, up or down.
40:46He's forcing us to vote him out on that fight.
40:48How are you in action?
40:50Yes, sir.
40:51You can't, you,
40:52I asked for a vote for the Senate.
40:56I said, we've had these hearings for four weeks.
41:01I asked for a vote for the Senate.
41:06Then they'll all scream and say, well, you can't throw, you can't issue an olemate under the Senate.
41:11I say, I'm not issuing an olemate.
41:13This thing's gone for a month now.
41:14I asked for it.
41:16He's not hearing what I asked for.
41:17He gets to repeat that.
41:19You've gone on a fainting expedition to detain the life of a woman, to become another woman, a mother of five, and return to circumstances like that.
41:34And you've defeated the progress of the Justice Department.
41:43Well, you really have an attorney general and a deputy attorney general who are awaiting confirmation.
41:47You really have the top two officials of the department that are in London.
41:51That's great.
41:51See, they haven't determined... Is he involved in any of this stuff now?
42:00No.
42:01No, Eastland is dead set.
42:04For a deputy?
42:06Yeah, he almost lost it last weekend.
42:09Why?
42:10I don't know why it is.
42:12Eastland just doesn't like that very much.
42:19He's a nice client, so he says.
42:23Oh, my boy.
42:29That ploy just might work on top of everything else.
42:32There ain't got to be any more nominations to mention that Senate this year.
42:38It does give him a hell of a feel, doesn't it?
42:45No, we can't do it.
42:46We just can't.
42:46We just can't do it for the people that you send up either.
42:48That's just rude.
42:51And everyone you send up, they're going to find some tie to something that they can make a hearsay connection on.
43:03Well, I think you better understand, without really relating it to what my ideas are, you better sit around and think about this with it.
43:12You thought you had screwed along too long, and you've got to cut it off one way or another.
43:18I think it has something to do with why these can't make it.
43:22I don't think it will be confirmed.
43:25I think it will either be filibustered.
43:27It will be voted in, it will be revoked, but it will never go along.
43:30It will never go along.
43:32It will filibuster through the convention, and then we're dead.
43:35And we've got a hell of an issue then.
43:37Yeah, because I'm a hell of a live issue.
43:40This way, all of this stuff, with nothing found wrong, all of this stuff will have been washed away.
43:51I think that...
44:12It's quite important to keep Pete's profile pretty low for a while.
44:16And that's why I want to tell them when they're here, that they have a big public side, and what they say, the guy from Canada is going to say it, meeting with Blanningham at the White House, and it's got that man.
44:29And race, holy hell, man, can't win.
44:31Well, excuse me, you know what I mean?
44:33It's a...
44:34But that's when I say it isn't fair, it isn't fair, and it will change.
44:39But at the present time, it's a hot problem.
44:41You know, we must close our eyes to that, even when our peers and friends are falling ill. Let's face it, it's about the same situation as Murray was, you know, at the present time.
44:54Well, if they haven't negotiated, why don't they move everybody in to negotiate?
44:59It needs to be confirmed by the Senate, and it needs to...
45:02But Flanagan can't do it.
45:03It shouldn't be done at the White House anyway.
45:12I don't want the White House to learn.
45:14I don't want you talking to all the other people and all the other companies and all the rest.
45:20You know what I mean?
45:28So you've got some people roughing their harpoons off for you?
45:31Yep.
45:31And you agree with Biden also?
45:34Sure do.
45:35And if it is, I frankly like it.
45:37I think he could do it.
45:38I see no problem in that.
45:40No, it's the White House again.
45:43Well, he's the domestic counsel, which is at least a separate vote, but it's, well, let me put it this way, it's the individual right now in the White House that's trying to, and so we can't have Whitaker, Senator Pete Spielberg, things you just don't want the White House to do.
45:57No one hurt Pete's feeling if Pete understands this.
46:00It's a dirty game.
46:01It's a protection to him.
46:03He's in a position now where you can't put him on negotiating.
46:07For the rest of this year, he can't do it until after the auction.
46:11Then he should move into something else anyway.
46:12That's right.
46:14He's got to function as an inside guy, not dealing with outside people.
46:24With regard to this...
46:27I'm trying to generalize.
46:28I think that the only fault that I would think of that has the qualifications for the job who might be confirmed or not, too long a hearing is greater.
46:38Right.
46:39We're at this stage where it doesn't make any difference who taps the Congress anyway, so that's probably the rule that most people have to make.
46:50But we cannot, we just can't continue to hang on to this.
46:54It's quite easy.
46:55It's rather clear to me that Colston fought a good fight.
47:03God bless him.
47:05Without him, we'd be deader than we are.
47:08But at least we've got our Jews up to a point.
47:12It's actually worth it.
47:14They're all here.
47:25And if you come to that meeting too, I don't remember we can't, we sometimes have to face up because of the flight, but not continually delaying.
47:35Now we had fought for four weeks, and got the asking off of us, so the thing to do is to cut our losses and get out.
47:46well they've got to look at them if we can't cut it off which we tried to do and i don't think we we don't i don't see that we see anything now yeah that will
47:57Give us any, there's a step up, because I don't know how to say it.
48:00If, for example, they had a clear-cut proof in the typewriter, which they didn't get because of the FBI letters, if they had a clear-cut, that might have done it, but they didn't get it.
48:10We used to kid ourselves about it.
48:11It's a confused deal.
48:13That helps us better than having a half-clear-cut the other way.
48:17And hence it helps.
48:17I don't think it's so bad.
48:18I don't think it's hurt us around the country up to this point in a substantial way.
48:23Not in a substantial way, no.
48:26It's eroded some, you know, some of the lustre of a lot of that country.
48:34Sure, probably.
48:34And that doesn't hurt you very much.
48:36It's her government that's more or less on the wrong side.
48:40Well, then we offer the...
48:42This administration, I've had as long as...
48:45There's nobody on the tape.
48:46Nobody's taking a goddamn thing.
48:48You know what I mean?
48:49And that's something that ought to be gotten across.
48:52Gary Johnson sold it by.
48:54We haven't gotten a thing.
48:56I mean, they look around.
48:57As far as my personal wealth of work is concerned, it's the same as it was when I came in.
49:03It's not just somebody else.
49:04It's everybody else in the place.
49:06I know that the only one they care about is me.
49:08I mean, you know, Johnson, everybody knew he was on the tape.
49:11And nobody did let him get away with it.
49:13They let him get away with it.
49:14I don't leave stories about it.
49:18But on the others, for example, our cabin officers, none of them are steel, stolen.
49:23And none of our staff people steal, you know what I mean?
49:27We all know that.
49:28So that's why this is such a lousy, bad rap.
49:31And all over the stinky goddamn convention, which I never wanted there anyway.
49:35I had an intuition about this son of a bitch, you know, we shouldn't have.
49:41But you know, whenever you get fly and those people working on things, it always gets screwed up.
49:47I can't blame them either.
49:49They were the only ones with us.
49:50They were the only ones with us.
49:59Instead of letting me ask you about the Saturday you cancelled, I don't have to.
50:05I think that's perfect.
50:12But I don't think it's necessary that she said that.
50:28And I think they, I wonder if it's necessary even if she goes down.
50:32I really don't think she should, you know.
50:34It's quite awkward for me to bring her in.
50:36You see, then I have to say, well, she's got to stay and shake hands.
50:45She wasn't going to shake hands, I guess she was just going to, I mean, well, you know, what the hell.
50:50I wouldn't even take her.
50:51Or could you, could you just have the, have Rose call it?
50:55Yeah, Rose, the United Medicine Council.
50:57See the format's changed, and you don't need to go to that.
51:02See what I mean?
51:04Yeah.
51:05Call her right away, and support her on it.
51:08Okay.
51:09See, I can get out faster, and I'm not going to be able to, sorry for you, I'm just going to talk for ten minutes.
51:15That's all we need.
51:16Don't tell them what a great job they're doing.
51:18You're glad their lives have come to stand.
51:20We appreciate all their support.
51:29But let's work on it, of course.

Nixon, Colson & Haldeman on ITT case and Richard Kleindienst

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