{"conversationCode":"697-008","tapeNumber":697,"conversationNumber":8,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-697-008","startDateTime":"1972-03-30T16:34:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1972-03-30T16:39:00.000Z","startDate":"30-Mar-1972","startTime":"11:34 AM","endDate":"30-Mar-1972","endTime":"11:39 AM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Rudd, Oliver W., Jr.; Rudd, Oliver W., Jr. (Mrs.); Rudd, Alice D.; Rudd, Caroline M.; Woods, Rose Mary; White House photographer;","description":"On March 30, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon, Oliver W. Rudd, Jr., Mrs. Oliver W. Rudd, Jr., Alice D. Rudd, Caroline M. Rudd, Rose Mary Woods, and White House photographer met in the Oval Office of the White House from 11:34 am to 11:39 am. 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(“Fishbait”) Miller\n\n     Gifts\n\n     Oval Office\n          -Presidential Seal\n          -Dwarf tree from the People's Republic of China [PRC]\n\n     Photographs taken in the PRC\n          -Oliver F. (“Ollie”) Atkins\n\n     Steuben Glass [“Star of the President”]\n          -Walter H. Annenberg\n\n     Julie Nixon Eisenhower\n\n     Jesus Christ Superstar\n\n\"Julia Meade\" et. al. left at 11:39 am.","filename":["697a.mp3","697b.mp3","697c.mp3"],"tapeStart":"02:01:45","tapeEnd":"02:06:20","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. 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