{"conversationCode":"697-017","tapeNumber":697,"conversationNumber":17,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-697-017","startDateTime":"1972-03-30T17:15:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1972-03-30T17:20:00.000Z","startDate":"30-Mar-1972","startTime":"12:15 PM","endDate":"30-Mar-1972","endTime":"12:20 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Stewart, James E.; MacGregor, Clark; White House photographer;","description":"On March 30, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon, James E. Stewart, Clark MacGregor, and White House photographer met in the Oval Office of the White House from 12:15 pm to 12:20 pm. 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Dewey\n\n     Golf\n\n     International Telephone and Telegraph [ITT]\n\n     The People's Republic of China [PRC] trip\n\n     Soviet trip\n\n     Supreme Court\n\n     Attorney General\n\n     Lawyers\n\n**********************************************************************\n\nBEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 1\n[Personal Returnable]\n[Duration: 1m 11s ]\n\nEND WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 1\n\n**********************************************************************\n\n      Charles G. (“Bebe”) Rebozo\n           -Tuxedo\n                 -Manolo Sanchez\n\n      Gifts\n\nStewart et. al. left at 12:20 pm.","filename":["697a.mp3","697b.mp3","697c.mp3"],"tapeStart":"02:43:34","tapeEnd":"02:48:13","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Stewart, James E.","MacGregor, Clark","White House photographer"],"prevCode":"697-016","nextCode":"697-018","tapeTranscriptFile":"697a.mp3,697b.mp3,697c.mp3","transcript":[{"start":9814.5,"end":9814.8,"text":"That you're at a point where we just, you better take a step back from it."},{"start":9815.52,"end":9815.84,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":9816.67,"end":9819.13,"text":"Then we all ought to be moving on to the center of our ground."},{"start":9819.15,"end":9819.27,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":9821.36,"end":9821.72,"text":"I agree."},{"start":9821.8,"end":9822.14,"text":"It's an honor."},{"start":9822.18,"end":9824.72,"text":"So the more time we've got each year, let's get some time off."},{"start":9825.06,"end":9825.7,"text":"We've got to relax."},{"start":9825.72,"end":9827.1,"text":"There's nothing to do on this anyway."},{"start":9827.16,"end":9837.39,"text":"Is there any way that you could give him and two or three other staff members a ride on a, you know what I mean, it's costly to live down there on a courier plane?"},{"start":9838.35,"end":9840.2,"text":"There's something in Florida, isn't there?"},{"start":9842.25,"end":9842.81,"text":"Let me see."},{"start":9843.11,"end":9843.95,"text":"Why not?"},{"start":9843.97,"end":9844.25,"text":"Let me see."},{"start":9844.27,"end":9845.11,"text":"Don't raise it with me."},{"start":9845.43,"end":9845.89,"text":"No."},{"start":9846.01,"end":9849.15,"text":"But my point is, don't you raise any vacation things."},{"start":9849.17,"end":9850.21,"text":"Let me try and work something out."},{"start":9850.27,"end":9851.09,"text":"I think maybe I can."},{"start":9852.23,"end":9854.83,"text":"When Ms. Sally Mitchell's done, I never even said something."},{"start":9854.87,"end":9856.37,"text":"She was going to come at 2.30 today."},{"start":9858.5,"end":9859.56,"text":"I should only go to Jacksonville."},{"start":9860.92,"end":9862,"text":"They can't."},{"start":9862.16,"end":9874.94,"text":"But I think it would be a nice thing to have a mentalist down there send a, I don't know, I don't see any reason why you're planning, I guess you can't do it."},{"start":9876.48,"end":9882.13,"text":"kind of makes other let me see we may have some we can work out there's all kinds of stuff let me check"},{"start":9900.46,"end":9901.12,"text":"Oh, God."},{"start":9981.99,"end":9984.49,"text":"How do you get along with such a character?"},{"start":9984.61,"end":9987.53,"text":"Well, it's been hard, but over the years, I've had a good chance."},{"start":9987.57,"end":9989.45,"text":"Did you support him against me?"},{"start":9990.11,"end":9990.89,"text":"No, sir."},{"start":9990.95,"end":9992.64,"text":"I did not."},{"start":9993.19,"end":9996.9,"text":"I surprised the president."},{"start":9996.94,"end":9998.42,"text":"Sir, Jeff and I have been great friends."},{"start":9998.48,"end":10001.6,"text":"He was a constituent of mine when I was a congressman."},{"start":10001.68,"end":10004.48,"text":"He is a former reporter, a great friend of Bob's presidency."},{"start":10004.54,"end":10005.3,"text":"Oh, yeah, a former reporter."},{"start":10006.2,"end":10007.5,"text":"Where did you live in Minneapolis?"},{"start":10007.62,"end":10008.42,"text":"I know that place."},{"start":10038.91,"end":10044.64,"text":"I used to play a little bit, a little bit."},{"start":10044.72,"end":10049.94,"text":"I did a lot of entertainment, so I was like, you can stop."},{"start":10053.68,"end":10054.96,"text":"But listen, he's doing great."},{"start":10054.98,"end":10058.14,"text":"Well, Jim has been very helpful to us as president."},{"start":10058.24,"end":10059.36,"text":"I think it will be helpful."},{"start":10059.8,"end":10062.76,"text":"Well, listen, I know about all he's done, and I appreciate it."},{"start":10064.45,"end":10068.17,"text":"But the main thing is to be sure Clark's subsidized."},{"start":10068.25,"end":10070.89,"text":"Well, the main thing is these things you're doing are so rich."},{"start":10071.29,"end":10074.83,"text":"Your Chinese trip was great, and we're looking forward to your Russian trip."},{"start":10074.89,"end":10075.81,"text":"That's got to be more important."},{"start":10075.89,"end":10076.69,"text":"You've got a point in science."},{"start":10076.83,"end":10078.74,"text":"Clark said, which is more important?"},{"start":10078.75,"end":10079.51,"text":"The Supreme Court?"},{"start":10079.53,"end":10082.9,"text":"The Supreme Court, I mean, it's been... 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