{"conversationCode":"697-019","tapeNumber":697,"conversationNumber":19,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-697-019","startDateTime":"1972-03-30T17:21:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1972-03-30T17:25:00.000Z","startDate":"30-Mar-1972","startTime":"12:21 PM","endDate":"30-Mar-1972","endTime":"12:25 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Jackson, Donald L.; Flanigan, Peter M.; Bull, Stephen B.; White House photographer;","description":"On March 30, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon, Donald L. Jackson, Peter M. Flanigan, Stephen B. Bull, and White House photographer met in the Oval Office of the White House from 12:21 pm to 12:25 pm. 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Bull; the White\nHouse photographer was present at the beginning of the meeting.\n\n      Greetings\n\n      Jackson\n           -Retirement\n                 -Interstate Commerce Commission [ICC]\n\n      Jackson’s plans\n\n      White House dinner\n           -President of Mexico [Luis Echeverria Alvarez]\n                 -Jackson's attendance\n                      -Instruction for Bull\n                            -Rose Mary Woods\n                      -Jackson's plans\n\n      Unknown woman\n\n      Unknown man\n\n      Forthcoming event for retiring Congressmen\n           -The President’s return from the Soviet Union\n\n      Henry Cabot Lodge\n\n      Charles G. (“Bebe”) Rebozo\n           -Quantico, Virginia\n\n      White House dinner\n           -Jackson's attendance\n           -Timing\n\n      Ambassadorships\n          -Senate\n          -State Department\n\nJackson et al. left.","filename":["697a.mp3","697b.mp3","697c.mp3"],"tapeStart":"02:48:43","tapeEnd":"02:53:31","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. 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when..."},{"start":10222.17,"end":10225.35,"text":"Thanks for bringing me."},{"start":10225.38,"end":10226.84,"text":"I'll go to the rack."},{"start":10226.98,"end":10229.72,"text":"All right, so don't worry."},{"start":10229.82,"end":10230.18,"text":"Go ahead."},{"start":10230.56,"end":10230.76,"text":"Thanks."},{"start":10232.64,"end":10233.65,"text":"Pressure's here, buddy."},{"start":10233.73,"end":10235.22,"text":"It's out of the question."},{"start":10263.02,"end":10263.6,"text":"Mr. President, Mr. President."},{"start":10263.62,"end":10265.73,"text":"I'd like to say that you've made the right decision."},{"start":10265.77,"end":10266.27,"text":"You're late on time."},{"start":10266.33,"end":10266.75,"text":"That's right."},{"start":10266.77,"end":10267.17,"text":"You're late on time."},{"start":10267.19,"end":10267.57,"text":"You're late on time."},{"start":10267.59,"end":10268.09,"text":"You're late on time."},{"start":10269.01,"end":10269.45,"text":"You're late on 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