Nixon White House Tapes — Conversation 698-008
Date: Thursday, March 30, 1972 at 5:18 PM
Participants: Nixon, Richard M. (President); Kissinger, Henry A.; [Unknown person(s)]; Sanchez, Manolo
Recording device: Oval Office
Source: https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/698-008

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[2:01:49] I think we should anyway do that.
[2:01:57] And then the only way they knew how to end it is to mock all the sacrifices they imposed on the American people.
[2:02:06] If we have to do that, I'll be prepared to do that.
[2:02:10] I intend to be awfully rough on the war in any event.
[2:02:14] We're going to say they got us in, we got out.
[2:02:19] Because in any event, you'll have all the gravity.
[2:02:24] In order to be able to say in the negotiations, because if they think we're talking, we've got to be a little, I want to be a little bit more of what's going on.
[2:03:58] And then the only way they knew how to end it is to mock all the sacrifices they imposed on the American people.
[2:04:15] Oh, if we have to do that, I'll be prepared to do that.
[2:04:20] And I said, I intend to be awfully rough on the war in any event.
[2:04:23] We're going to sit and we got them out.
[2:04:27] Because in any event, you'll have all the draftees.
[2:07:15] Now the network CBS has come back and they want to do a full hour in prime time.
[2:07:22] They only give half an hour on Sunday initially.
[2:07:27] We have to give them an answer on Thursday.
[2:07:31] We'll see what they offer.
[2:07:42] They've now opened a Thursday night from 8 to 9.
[2:07:45] Thursday from 8 to 9.
[2:07:47] They work on Thursdays and Sundays from 10.30 to 11.
[2:07:49] Yeah, I know, which is out of the question.
[2:07:52] You don't have as many Sundays from 10.30 to 11 as they've got in George, Buffalo, and Shaw, California at 7 to 8.
[2:07:57] I don't know, just 90 of them.
[2:08:09] That's right.
[2:08:10] We're going to go on.
[2:08:11] It's a question of getting the best time, the best view.
[2:08:13] The biggest audience, because once you have done it, you understand the next one.
[2:08:21] So if you're going to do it, it's got to be the best time, the best time of the week, the most good.
[2:08:33] Absolutely.
[2:08:33] That's the only view, but it'll be a hell of a time to do it.
[2:08:44] What is the situation, uh, the way this, uh, mosque, uh... Oh, nothing.
[2:08:50] Rather, they force all the instructors and people...
[2:08:53] He'll let us know on Monday, and then we'll notify the court that we'll accept it.
[2:08:57] Well, that makes it an easy way to get back to... That makes it an easy way.
[2:09:05] In terms of the physical exertion, it's actually easier that way.
[2:09:13] You can go from Baku to Iran.
[2:09:15] That's easy.
[2:09:16] That's two hours.
[2:09:17] You do that Tuesday morning.
[2:09:19] Then I think you should leave Iran in time for a late afternoon arrival in Warsaw so that you can get the crowds out of the offices, say 5 o'clock, arriving in Warsaw.
[2:09:34] Any time you want to arrive in Warsaw, it doesn't make any difference.
[2:09:38] Then leave the next afternoon.
[2:09:41] You leave Wausau around 4 or 5.
[2:09:43] In the afternoon, you get in here about 9.
[2:09:45] You'll get a tremendous reception.
[2:09:52] You would think so.
[2:09:52] I don't know.
[2:09:53] Poles would be scared of that, knowing what happened before.
[2:10:00] You weren't.
[2:10:01] The only thing that really approached that reception was when the Spanishman, of course, was the visual size.
[2:10:08] but to what it really only approached in terms of emotion with Romania.
[2:10:13] And boy, I've been through receptions of that one in Warsaw.
[2:10:16] It was the dumbest thing for me.
[2:10:18] I was much better than you ever saw.
[2:10:19] But it won't be that emotional anymore because...
[2:10:22] But it's been a long time.
[2:10:24] It's been a long time and they've become much more disillusioned to their prospects.
[2:10:28] That's right.
[2:10:30] But nobody can, they can't control their population.
[2:10:32] If they could, they would never... We don't have to think about other spaces.
[2:10:35] I think that the foals, fairly apart from anything else, even their prospects are not good.
[2:10:43] We want to see a president of the United States.
[2:10:45] That's right.
[2:10:45] No one has governed the polls in 300 years.
[2:10:49] And they couldn't get these guys away from the streets.
[2:10:54] And they want it.
[2:10:56] That government wants you there to solidify themselves with their people.
[2:11:01] For that, they've got to get their people on the streets.
[2:11:04] I could be wrong, but if you don't have a tremendous reception in Poland, you're going to have two tremendous receptions.
[2:11:14] You'll have a tremendous one in Tehran, you'll have a big one in Warsaw.
[2:11:20] And my instinct tells me there are somewhere along the line... One thing he told me was...
[2:11:35] that, you know, we are having a little problem about space in the Kremlin.
[2:11:38] And he said, for God's sake, don't turn the Kremlin down.
[2:11:43] It's the biggest honor the president could pay you.
[2:11:48] And he said, above all, the Russian people, that's for the Russian people, it means that there's a solid basis for our relationship and it's a tremendous signal to our people.
[2:12:03] to have the president and the president.
[2:12:06] And I think that's right.
[2:12:14] We're not always complete.
[2:12:16] But I think that if I may make a suggestion, I think we should play it very cool about the time.
[2:12:23] We should give the impression that not much is going to happen, that we're going to have a lot of results.
[2:12:31] because there's too many evil stuff tricking out.
[2:12:34] But I know no one really expects much out of the Moscow Senate, and that's great.
[2:12:39] We've got the things split up over the bureaucracy in such a way.
[2:12:42] That's good.
[2:12:46] Well, I think we can play the line that there are a number of things we're going to discuss this afternoon, but we're pretty far apart on this trip, isn't it?
[2:12:53] We're pretty far apart?
[2:12:55] Yeah.
[2:12:55] It's going beautifully down in Seoul.
[2:12:57] Is it?
[2:12:58] Yeah.
[2:12:59] That move don't get Buddy the Smith on the cell phone.
[2:13:04] Well, the Russians aren't right.
[2:13:07] No, I told the prison again today.