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Conversation: 701-005

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Start Date: 4-Apr-1972 10:09 AM

End Date: 4-Apr-1972 10:43 AM

Participants:

Nixon, Richard M. (President)Ingersoll, Robert S.Kissinger, Henry A.Bull, Stephen B.White House photographer

Recording Device: Oval Office

Full Tape Conversation Start Time: 01:36:57

Full Tape Conversation End Time: 02:11:24

701a.mp3

701b.mp3

701c.mp3

NARA Description:

On April 4, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon, Robert S. Ingersoll, Henry A. Kissinger, Stephen B. Bull, and White House photographer met in the Oval Office of the White House from 10:09 am to 10:43 am. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 701-005 of the White House Tapes.

Nixon Library Finding Aid:

Conversation No. 701-5

Date: April 4, 1972
Time: 10:09 am - 10:43 am
Location: Oval Office

The President met with Robert S. Ingersoll, Henry A. Kissinger and Stephen B. Bull[?].

     Introductions and greetings

Bull [?] left at an unknown time before 10:39 am.

     Ingersoll's assignment
          -Preparations
          -Departure
                 -Timing

     US-Japan relations
          -Current status
               -Possible problems
          -Ingersoll's role as ambassador
               -Importance
                      -Compared to West Germany
                             -Berlin agreements
                                   -[David] Kenneth Rush
                      -Compared to the Soviet Union
               -Ingersoll's method of handling
                      -Relations with Eisaku Sato, Takeo Fukuda and power elite
               -Identification of potential leaders
                      -No need for limitation
          -Japan's leadership
               -Fukuda
               -Mitsujiro Ishii
          -Ingersoll's role
               -Relationship with the President
                      -Importance
                             -Armin H. Meyer
                      -Personal confidence
                             -Representative to the government
               -Use of special channels to communicate with the President
                      -Ingersoll’s staff
                             -Ingersoll’s relationship with the Japanese business community
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     -The President's knowledge of Japan
           -Importance of US-Japanese alliance
           -The President's visits to Japan
                 -Number
           -The President’s relationship with Japanese leaders
           -Potential power
                 -Economic, political and military
           -Eastern Pacific
                 -US-Japanese alliance and friendship
                       -Strong emphasis from the President
     -Economic competition
           -US respect
           -Avoidance of protectionism, isolationism and Japanese counter reaction
     -Ingersoll's dealings with Japanese leaders
     -John B. Connally’s theory
           -US relationship with Japan, Latin America and Canada
     -Ingersoll's approach
           -Closer relations
                 -Mutual respect
-People's Republic of China [PRC] issue
     -US-PRC opening of relations
           -US and Japanese interests
                 -PRC nuclear capability
           -Possibilities of influence
           -Possibility for conflict
                 -Similarities to Korea and Vietnam
           -Reasons
                 -Soviet Union
           -Effect on US-Japan ties
           -Difference in relationships
                 -Social, economic, political ties
                 -Trade ties between US and Japan
                       -PRC, Soviet Union, and Canada
           -Mutual security interests
           -US intentions
                 -Viable policy in the Pacific
                 -Japan's role
                       -Frequent dialogue
           -Joint communique
                 -Development of US-Japan ties
                       -Support For Clause
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*****************************************************************
BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 1
[National Security]
 [Duration: 23s ]

JAPAN

END WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 1

*****************************************************************


    Nixon Doctrine
        -The President's conversation with Chou En-Lai and Mao Tse-Tung
             -State Department view
        -Purpose
             -US role in world and the Pacific
                   -Low profile
                   -Commitment to South Vietnam
             -Continued US presence in Asia
                   -PRC
        -Japan
             -Neutrality
                   -Rearmament
                         -Likelihood
                         -Economic power
                         -World War II
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*****************************************************************
BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 3
[National Security]
[Duration: 21s ]

SINGAPORE

END WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 3

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               -Choices in future
                    -Nuclear guarantee
                          -Firm US alliance
                          -Possible Japanese rearmament
               -Development of US ties


    US-Japan relations
         -Competition in PRC
              -Possible Japanese role
              -US Success
                     -Possible discussions
                           -Potential Japanese actions
              -The President's Meeting With Chou en-Lai
                     -Mao Tse-Tung
              -Need for US-Japan cooperation
                     -Dangers of competition
                           -Soviet Union
         -Kissinger's trip to Japan
              -Kissinger's work with Ingersoll
              -Translator
                     -Use
         -Ingersoll's dealings with Sato and Fukuda
              -Use of channels
              -Other channels
                     -Danger of leaks in Tokyo
                           -State Department
                                 -Arthur K. Watson
                                       -Georges J. R. Pompidou
              -Private dinner
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-Sato
      -Meeting with Kissinger
            -Privacy
      -Meeting with Ingersoll
            -Fukuda
            -Arrangements
            -Scheduling
                  -Timing
                        -North Vietnamese offensive
                        -The President’s upcoming visit to the Soviet Union
-President’s instructions to Ingersoll
      -Letters to Sato and Fukuda
            -President’s signature
            -Drafts
            -Content
            -Dispatch
                  -Arrangements
                        -State Department files
                        -Contact with the Japanese ambassador
                        -Meyer
-US Asian policy
      -Message to Japan
            -Quotation of the President
            -Shanghai communique
            -US presence in Asia
      -US-Japan alliance
            -Importance
                  -Peace
      -Taiwan, Republic of China
            -US policy
      -Korea
      -The President's message for Ingersoll to the Japanese
-Ingersoll's assignment
-Visits
      -Kissinger
      -The President
            -Upcoming trip to Soviet Union
                  -Timing
                  -Dwight D. Eisenhower's visit
      -[Emperor of Japan] Hirohito's visit
            -Timing
      -The President
            -Election
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                       -Respect for the Japanese
                       -Problems
                             -Economic
           -The President's message to Japanese leaders
                -Europe and Pacific
           -Ingersoll's assignment
                -Conversations with Fukuda, Sato and Ishii
                -Dealings with Japanese
                       -Toughness
                       -Eisenhower's comments on British as allies
                             -Suez crisis
                             -Contrasts in war and peace
           -Cameras
                -Kodak
                -Film
                       -Cost


     Presidential gifts
          -Golf balls

Kissinger left and Stephen B. Bull entered at 10:39 am.

     Golf balls and tie clips

Bull left at an unknown time before 10:43 am.

     The President's foreign policy
          -Ingersoll's admiration

     Ingersoll's family
          -Visit to Lincoln Memorial
                 -Abraham Lincoln
                       -Compared with the President

     Presidential gifts
          -Golf balls
                -Donald McI. Kendall
          -Money clip
                -Presidential seal

Bull entered at an unknown time after 10:39 am.
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     Photograph session
          -Standing pictures

     Presidential gifts
          -Bronze compacts

Bull left at an unknown time before 10:43 am.

     Photographs
          -Copies

     George P. Shultz
         -Qualities
               -Previous relationship with Ingersoll
         -Dedication
         -Eisenhower

The White House photographer entered at an unknown time after 10:39 am.

     Photographs
          -The President’s instructions

The White House photographer left at an unknown time before 10:43 am.

     Gifts
             -Bronze compacts
             -Cuff links
             -Tie clasps
                   -Presidential seal
             -Money clips
             -Kendall
             -“Bowser” [doggie] bags

     Ingersoll's assignment
          -Ingersoll's father, Roy C. Ingersoll
          -Message to Japanese
                 -State Department
                 -The President’s initials

Ingersoll left at 10:43 am.
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