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What, a kid's jet?

We don't know.

It's night.

They've agreed to put sending Vogt out there as air commander.

They themselves had the idea to replace the commander.

Moore recommended Vogt.

The chief of the airport recommended somebody else.

Laird wanted Vogt.

So he's leaving.

But Vogt, we know, is a tough son of a bitch.

And if he doesn't know what we want, nobody does.

Yeah.

I don't include that these guys are going to make a peace offer fairly soon and stop.

That's what would be the worst for us.

I think the best would be if we could clobber them.

Or they can come in and do it.

They had moved the 7th Air Force commander out of there a few weeks ago.

So they moved out of the Air Force.

They moved out.

I was talking this morning to Moore about it.

And so I thought they were being very pusillanimous in their actions.

So they sent some guy who was a supply officer out as the air commander, you know, to let them have his command.

That's right.

No, that's true.

He was one of the researchers in R&D.

R&D.

Well, it's like an aid supply officer being met.

Well, God damn it.

We haven't been able to get every idea that we've had built.

Everything, you know, they're trying to make.

I read these things.

And they're more reasonable.

So this morning, I just said, God damn it, we've got to get the best air commandment we can find out there.

And they think that maybe, does he think he's going to get the

They had two candidates, one who was G3 out there, that's one for A3 or whatever they call it, the plant officer, and the other one was Vogt and Laird, so I agree with them that since Vogt knows you're thinking, knows Laird's thinking, knows Morris' thinking, he'll do us more good in the next two months.

And after that, it doesn't really make that much of a difference.

So...

I wanted to take a question.

It's tough to tell how good he is out there, but I would pick him.

He's not the one little ass that you remember from that band.

He's the puppet, but it wasn't his fault.

But Bowman's strong, and he's probably...

They've got to risk something.

We might, you might fill in, fill in while we're working on what we're going to need.

First of all, I have to say, Mr. President, on this operation, the agencies have worked together beautifully.

McCloskey's briefings have been superfluous.

Excellent, excellent.

Also, another thing I wanted to tell you before we get into it,

I had two days yesterday summer.

And I noted that the summary said that the South Vietnam meetings, embassies around the world were constrained.

So I marked them in the summary.

I said, check to see whether the state government's doing that.

And then we sent a memorandum.

I got this today, back saying that they were already doing billions.

They had already done it when you ordered it.

It wasn't in my summary.

It wasn't in the summary that I had.

No, I frankly hadn't caught it when I said at the meeting with the president

notice this and want you to support it.

Bill Sullivan pointed out that it had a very big impact.

It seems to me very important that we have, of course, we've got to low key everything.

And I think it's good that you didn't probably go into press conference next week.

Well, I think also that he's going to have to go.

Well, Leonard cannot go.

But he must go immediately after we start bombing.

We're not bombing now.

You see what is really happening, all this story about the mask.

This is the truth.

The weather's not being bad today.

It's not being bad.

It's been bad for a week.

But the problem is that the course of time, as I understand it, this is the, you know, Mr. Andrews, the...

Yes, I do.

My heart.

Right.

Yes, ma'am.

I thought that was a secret.

Is it really true that the Christian scientists used to eat little Catholic babies in Boston?

Oh, yes, sir.

All the hard stories I've heard are true.

You can probably spread it out.

Sure.

Just a second, sir.

I think that says it well.

Nobody can complain about that, can they?

In other words, you make a concession to the fact that there are some idiots that are for it.

Did you see the other video?

I made the other changes, yes.

This one.

Right.

And you modified that down.

And we'll insert the partisan chip on the last page.

You will need to see this again, or should I just give it to Rose to make up a new speaking copy?

Well, I'm not going to do that.

I'll get it to her again.

Thank you, Mr. President.

Do you think he got away with anything?

She's a Catholic, too.

She put all those Catholic words back in.

I understand.

Well, look, what has happened, Bill, is this.

And this is why it's so important, of course, you know, to speak, but very closely over here.

We've got everybody.

And we deliver, and Henry speaks every morning with us.

I meet first with Ziegler, then Ziegler meets with McCloskey and Hankin.

And what happens, we're trying to keep the thing at this point, one step from here.

Now they know that, obviously we're repeating them, but the interesting thing is that we got across for the first time in the last two days the fact that for once

The other bastards are the aggressors.

You know, the typical case with Laos and Cambodia, we never get that across because they said, we were invading another country.

But now, finally, it is being said that North Vietnam is invading South Vietnam.

Do you think that's getting across?

Oh, yeah.

I think we might explain that very well.

And I think with the actions we've taken, they're all very, very good.

I have, you said Nelson had a press conference.

Oh, no.

Not until there's a bomb.

Not, not until.

I'm not even sure that we should have it, except in medicine.

Yeah.

Well, in any event, well, we haven't decided.

The point is that once, well, the only thing is that once we do bombs, we are going to bomb.

And that whole area above the DNC, we have to, we've got about a belt there, you know, that we've got to take out because they're shooting from way past the DNC and they're knocking stuff down.

We've just got to take it all out.

So it will be considered an escalation.

We've got to get at it once and twice to end America's, I'm sure, our withdrawal program.

Actually, Mr. President, the funny thing is most of the Fed expects us to resume unrestricted funding.

So that when we're doing less than that, we're not going to get so much heat.

Well, the only thing is that I hate to have that.

You know, that's what happened in Laos.

We got behind the eight ball.

We never caught up with it, you know.

We were having a very modest operation, and they helped if we were in there.

But you see, Bill, I want to be sure, that's what, I think what we've done on the diplomatic front, we're in good shape.

But I want to be sure that when we do the bombing, that it will be understood that we have done this only after provocation.

But here's what happened.

I'm sure you know, I'm sure you know, I'm sure.

Well, I had to talk about it yesterday, the day before yesterday.

Yeah, yesterday, of course.

Jesus.

She came in with a half-assed plan in the middle of March.

Do you remember that?

But let me tell you why it was such a half-assed plan, because what it did, it would have hit all over that area of the Laotian border.

I'll try some consonne, and this is the Rogers ones.

Tea, consonne.

Now, the difficulty was that, on one hand, it would have gotten us all heat.

immediately after, without provocation, when the thing was very quiet.

And it wasn't that much good, because it was only limited to the sands.

But they wanted to hit the sands in a belt of 20 miles all along the ocean, and South Beach and Eastport and nothing else.

We would have taken a tremendous amount of heat, because on the map, this goes all the way up.

It would have been bombing of North Vietnam.

Now, if we're going to bomb North Vietnam, we've got to do it for military purposes, after military provocation.

That was my view.

Would you agree?

Sure.

If we did it then, I think we would have caught unshared hell.

We would have caught it from all sides.

The Chinese, the Russians?

Well, here in America.

I don't believe it's been anybody to the chief's complaint about that one.

I talked to Maura at the time.

I was over there.

I asked him whether there was anything else you should do that you haven't done.

He said, no.

I talked to him.

I had briefings on the thing for days.

Every couple of days, there's a moment I ask him, is there anything else the president should do?

But I asked him.

See, the reason that it came up is that I asked.

But Maura was angry.

I said, no.

I said, don't you know how it is that I...

I've done everything we can.

We've done the Cambodian thing.

We've held out against various things.

We've done Laos.

And of course, you know, for example, even I noticed, for example, that they take cash for whatever it's worth.

Many will say, well, gee, you're using terrible cash.

We want more to tend this week.

A year ago, they were 8 to 8.

So what I mean, it's all rounded up.

You know, it's done.

And Moore, to his great credit, did not complain about that victory.

I don't think he felt that was very important.

I think he was reporting it to Abrams, that's right.

It's a two-week delay.

Given the way these guys operate, they probably wouldn't have had the weather anyway.

And what's really worrisome is that we've got an air force

that can almost never fly.

We tried to get them to hit in September, in November, in December, in February, and now it's April, and they've been sitting for a week with authority to hit.

We tried to get them built to hit this thing before we went to China.

And I thought it was a banded idea.

They didn't get a single solitary thing.

But the trouble with them, when you ask them, I asked them about the, you were talking about bombing aircraft,

This was before we went to China.

Yeah.

And I said, well, can you hit an aircraft?

They said, no, they've never hit an aircraft on the field.

They've never destroyed one, single one.

Now, they said... Oh, my Christ, can't we hire some Israelis?

Not really.

They knock the hell out of the ejections on the field.

I think it's because... Look, don't be...

He's all abandoned.

Why can't these guys fly?

Well, you see, the thing is, the thing is that we, at the present time, they'll give you a slump and dance and don't do it.

Because I was taken in by it.

I wasn't really.

The first three or four days that I watched it, I don't do this much on TV.

You know, I just watch it.

I'd see five or so cases.

Then I'm like, where the hell were they?

And they are not getting in this area.

And why?

Well, because the power is too high.

name of god is all of this new electronic airplanes land you know on instruments with with zero zero but in the name of god is it actually we don't have the right planes and also i don't think the other thing and this worries me either because of course it's a terrible responsibility i don't think bill that they want to respond

They now say that they need a 4,000-foot ceiling before they can bomb.

Now, I don't know where in the world there is a reliable 4,000-foot ceiling.

Certainly not in Russia.

And, no, I think they've become too bureaucratic.

The airplanes are much too complex.

And the more complex the airplane has become in World War II during the Battle of the Bulge, I would say if we had air support, it was snowing most of the time.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I've had a lot of briefings on it.

We know we have a building in town.

And I was on the Pentagon as they had a briefing.

I had a lot of them.

Yeah.

I'm convinced that our air power isn't very effective because of our sand sites.

I mean, when you talk about, I was over there today, I had a lot of questions this morning with my Air Force fellow.

They talk about a hostile planet.

It's a hell of a hostile planet.

That means that for about 15 miles south of Louisiana, it's got to be reduced for them.

they can't hit very much.

They really are not very successful at bombing specific targets.

They don't know where the fan sites are for sure.

They don't know where the big artillery guns are.

The 130s have a much longer range than ours do.

And they have just had one hell of a problem.

And they're worried, of course, about B-52s.

And I would think that the, I, Mr. President, am not really concerned.

I think that you are about the bombing of the North.

I think as Henry said, that everybody expects that.

I think the press expects that we're going to be down where we are.

So I don't think we have a big problem there.

I think we have a problem of success.

And what it seems to be the most important thing is to succeed.

And I think that we're going to succeed, but there are two parts of it that we've got that seem to be watching.

One is if it appears that the South Indians don't have the will to fight, then

then I think people might be discouraged about the immunization program.

I think if the South Vietnamese fight, even if they lose in battle, and they ultimately win, we're in good shape.

Well, now, on that score, they did fight well, and parts of Cambodia, they did fight well, despite all the talk.

They fought extremely well, apparently, you know, when they came under heavy attack.

The general reports we get here are mixed.

This is their course of action.

I'm quite ahead of them.

Nevertheless, some of them work quite well.

Is this not true?

Isn't that what we've got to get at?

That's true.

But another really major intelligence failure, Mr. President, they built a steel bridge across that river.

No one told me about it.

They didn't tell you about it.

Uh, no one expected a massive attack across the DMZ.

They expected the attack to come from the west.

They had the third division there because they didn't expect an attack.

That's right.

They put the first division where they expected the attack, which is coming from the Ajo Valley towards the way.

And, uh... Well, now, now that's all done.

At the present time, there may be moves in other areas.

About.

Right.

At the present time, also,

uh looking at for whatever it's worth uh they'll don't discount those uh i don't think you should discount what that naval stuff can do i mean they at least will keep that damn road i don't know what the film knows about that we'll get some more they had three

And it should be extended on beyond, as far as that road goes.

I see no reason to put that aside.

You see what I'm getting at?

I don't mean that it should stop at the 819 parallel.

Just go right up the road.

Wherever the road is close enough, those destroyers can get there, and they can do a lot of stuff.

One of the troubles with anti-destroyers, though, is I gather their guns are not as, don't have the range, the 130s.

Now, that's the reason they had to turn yesterday and get them out of there to get to the 130s.

Now, if they knock out the Lusitans today, they may knock out some of the 130s.

Is that right?

Yeah.

Are there destroyers there?

No, I think probably a plane.

What about cruisers?

There's two cruisers coming in.

Where are they?

Hawaii?

No, one is with the Constellation and the other one is there.

So...

There's so much naval power around.

I said, where the hell are all these ships?

Where are they?

Well, he said, we've got to have, you know, we've got to have some for the Scion.

And I said, forget the goddamn Scion.

This is it, you know.

They also dropped a bridge today.

They were attempting a crossing of that river near Dong Ha, and they knocked down the bridge.

They've seen it actually drop.

I don't usually bother you with this.

I don't know.

I don't vote for this.

I shouldn't look at it.

I just want to know how it affected you.

Now, on the morale then, what is your judgment?

How bad is it?

How good is it?

Or is it short?

I think it's totally to tell, but I think that we've got to be sure that we don't say anything here that suggests that we don't have confidence in them.

The third division was up.

It was a ragtag division, as Andy says.

And you couldn't expect them to fight much, and they were faced with these damn guns.

Guns and tanks.

Now, it seems to me that I think one thing we want to be sure about is that this may be, this may go on for a while, and we may have some more taxes this summer, and we want to be sure that we don't, well, that we recognize that.

I wouldn't be surprised if we have several days, maybe a couple weeks of bad times,

I'm inclined to think not.

I think maybe we'll succeed better than we think.

One thing we have to keep in mind is that obviously the atomization was never represented as being able to prevent any attack from succeeding anywhere.

Of course not.

And it seems to me that first we may have to brace ourselves for a period of three weeks

And I don't think it's going to be so tough as long as we succeed at the end.

I agree.

I think that's what counts.

If the enemy should take a back away or if they don't persist, then I think it's important to label what's happening the proper way.

In other words, we should say to the South, you did an excellent job.

that they had the will to fight, and they did it themselves.

And we know they expect more attacks.

And we expect more attacks.

They'll come this summer sometime.

They'll try to do it in Bereshoe.

But on the whole, the vehicleization program proved itself, in other words, I think, at the right time.

Right.

That's why I don't think anybody should say how a lot more than we've said.

All that we had in mind for Mel in the event, well, because the question .

bombing of the Nordic begins, they'll say, why?

Well, we've got a perfect case for it.

The case being that first, there was an invasion, and second, we still got 70,000 Americans there.

We still have 100.

And we also, our withdrawal program is one which we'll have to, of course, you know, we're not admitting it yet.

But we're going to.

And this week, not this time.

The rate of interest is going down.

We're getting down to the nub.

And also, the success of the Vietnam inflation program.

I don't think we should explain what we're going to do.

I think we should just stop now.

I don't want to say anything now.

We've told everybody that the sailors have been extremely under arrest.

I said, what is he going to do, or is he worried?

Oh, he's concerned, but he's watching it, no question.

He says, what are we going to do?

I said, just say, you've seen the spaces over the time.

I'm not going to say what it's going to be.

These are military operations.

I think it's been handled extremely well.

And I think that if we could decide, my own judgment would be that we better not have anybody, Mel, me, anybody else say anything until we see how it's going to come out.

Until I see how something's going to come out.

If it turns in our direction, then I think the labeling is going to be important.

If we say this...

And labeling it, really, if we could in this instance, you're so right, to the extent that it is true that the Vietnamese did.

Because our real problem here, as I can sense from what I read, is that people say, well, this proves that Vietnamization would not work without the mass of Americans.

That's not quite true.

It always seems to me quite ridiculous that the North Vietnamese, with no air power, if they come in and beat the South Vietnamese, then this is a very, very hard pill to swallow.

Because we've given the South Vietnamese supposedly better rifles.

They're supposed to be better equipped.

Except it isn't true, the other day.

Are there big tanks up there where they sit down side by side?

We moved some of them.

Their artillery, as Bill pointed out, is better than ours.

They gave you a lot of bullshit at the NFC meeting.

Is their artillery better?

Their artillery has longer range.

I understand, but why don't we ever let this happen?

What the hell is the goddamn Army doing?

And it's normal with the Army to nuke trees.

And it's completely, and it's... Russian artillery is better than US artillery.

That's what I'm saying.

This is a real test.

It's more mobile, and it's better, and it's longer-ranged.

And the other thing that's true is their anti-aircraft defenses, the SAMs, are just a hell of a lot better than anything we have.

Today, it's turned out to be not that successful.

The Air Force has strike this hell by it.

That includes the B-52s and the BANOs and everything else.

What are we better at?

Well, of course, we haven't looked at it defensively because we haven't had to worry about the enemy's air power.

I know that's taking all of you defensively.

Our tanks are as good as theirs.

Our heavy tanks are as good as theirs, but most of the tanks we've got there are medium tanks.

That's what our little turrets are.

That's right.

About the, well, you see, the thing that is very discouraging, if we only say this in this room, and the thing that is discouraging to me is that we have, we have total command of the skies.

And there shouldn't be any doubt about the outcomes of it.

Even with a nondescript army, Christ won't mind if you do.

You know what it is to have even one plane fly inside a few wrong carriers and then do it.

And I was on the ground and you saw it.

Good God, Mike, if you had commanded this guy, you'd have got your hand.

Now what the hell is the matter?

I don't think they're getting much right now with this weapon.

No, but I think Henry the President's point is well and fondly.

And that is, with the SAMs, as effective as they are,

air power in the conventional sense is not very effective.

God damn it.

They just admit it.

Now, we have always thought of air power in terms of massive bombing, massive bombing of civilian populations, and also of airplanes.

Now, this is quite different.

If you look at the movies of these things, they have to try to shoot these cannons going into whatever the Mach 2 or whatever it is.

trying to hit a little target down there at 130 to go on their sand side or something.

It's goddamn tough.

And D-52s, they can't see them, and they've got to fly way the hell up.

And even now, they're fighting them up at the sand side.

For the return.

And what they do, the fans have to go in high and come down fast.

And they're fighting this hell, too.

The fact is that here, these North, East, and East, with the sands all over and anti-aircraft fire, and they're well hidden up there.

They can really cause us, I mean, we can't do much about it.

What it does is it disproves our whole concept that if you control the air, you can control the ground.

Well, are we, do you even wonder why they're clear, Sam?

Well, they're going to try to clear out the sands.

That's the good thing.

Oh, yeah, they can do it.

They can work at it several days, which they, of course, now have the authority to do.

But we have to raise the source for the possible losses.

Don Moore says he thinks...

In doing that, they lose quite a few planes, quite a few tanks.

Now, they can be affected on the roadway.

The enemy is for the first time exposed to these tanks.

So to that extent, they should be able to .

They can't do that.

But getting the 130 guns in the tanks is a little bit tougher.

This is pretty well done.

Well, first, I think what you've done is just right.

I don't think we have to worry too much about public opinion.

I think public opinion is fully prepared to mind.

I don't think we have to defend it too much.

I think the situation is quite clear.

I think everybody anticipated it.

And I don't think we should be too defensive about it.

Never.

The only thing that matters here is winning.

We just can't let these people who've got this leg stage knock it over.

That's right.

And I think we've got this and we can show that we watch the Highlands pretty closely because they can run another attack there.

Now, they're hitting that pretty good.

I think, Bill, that is an area where it's, where it's, that is, you mean the D-free front that they call it?

Yeah, the D-free.

I'm telling you, it's usually a lot of people.

A lot of people.

But aren't we hitting that pretty well, Henry?

There are no, they don't have SAMs there.

No.

Very few, in fact, none.

They are hitting it every day.

Yeah.

They also, Henry also is taking a little province to Airstrip.

So I think that we probably should expect some other difficulties in other areas.

And I think that, of course, what we've got to do is keep all of the balance themselves in place.

Apparently, we had a pretty good success a couple of days ago, too, in that area.

In the second quarter.

I'm sure you saw the discussion here with Sankar.

He's very calm and confident in talking of counterattacks.

And what you mentioned, you said what you, what we said also, that if they keep engaging all their forces, and he had expected them to attack in July and August, but if they keep going at this rate, he thinks that's going to be their shot for this year.

Let's talk about it.

Remember after we talked on the dinner that night on the porch, we decided that I'd probably take a crack at it tonight, but I felt it was very important to make sure we not drove away with my gear and she didn't drive it on me.

I didn't want her to do that.

And it appears now that they

They had to know that at least they had not raised any objection.

So we're going to make it a week.

And so we can think that the, we're going to say it's going to be a week before we get the word to the polls.

No, please, it's up to the state.

We notified the state yesterday that you had approved the trip.

Yep.

And whenever we get to the- Well, it's going to be one day.

Well, the Russians obviously approved before the polls for us.

I don't know why they did it.

There are a lot of things here, and I suppose that there are risks involved in some ways.

Not for us, but I mean, they might go here.

I think it will put a very good top on the trip.

Now, you will go to New England.

How will the situation work there?

First, let's start with your trip.

When does your trip begin?

and uh now your trip i don't think should be affected uh uh if that doesn't present a problem

I wouldn't go there.

You would pass Iran.

Yeah, I'd go to the... As a matter of fact, you'd probably pass Iran and Baku, which is probably for sightseeing.

You mean you'd go to Nikola and then come back?

Yeah, that might carry some implications, it would.

Well, let's see.

Well, that's not a problem.

If you will go on the 5th of May, and I this morning, I don't know whether you're in any country, but I this morning dictated some rough notes to the, which I will not send, or perhaps, well, I'll be sending them in a week or so, but I mean, some rough notes to the heads of government about indicating the general sense of it, the sense of them will be

that I had asked you to take the trip for two purposes.

One, we met late in January, you know, in December.

But first, to discuss with them our upcoming trip to the Soviet Union.

And second, I might say that I, of course, would be interested in a

suggestions they would like to pass on with regard to the discussions in common, to me, through you, which I think gives a good basis for it.

Now, we can't get caught in a trap where if they pass something on, we won't do it.

But I think that the feeling that was particularly key, Montague and Brown,

that the feeling that I would go much beyond that.

But the feeling that they might have that we were interested not only in just telling them what we were planning to discuss, but also saying that we're interested in what your concerns are.

Because each of them, in his way, either has had meetings with him longer than Brown has, but he hasn't.

And each, of course, will have views about them here.

It's a good idea.

So we'll send a...

I think what we would... what I would do on that, if you... is to send the notes myself to them, and give you copies.

I think the idea that you're deliberately carrying the notes yourself in the...

Absolutely.

Much better.

We can at least prepare.

I will...

In about a week before go-tests, that would be the best time.

Yeah.

Well, now, the credit's been announced.

Yes, there was another one.

But I'm going to write the notes closer to the time it takes, because by that time we'll know what's happening, and also what's happening in Vietnam, a few other things, and maybe I can put a couple others too.

So I will do that, and I'll give you, in each case, of course, copies of the notes, so that you will know what I've written about.

But we'll try to send it to you.

Now, how will you spend that each?

I'll stop nicely because we have a problem.

Yeah, I know that.

I spoke to Bob Willeman about the Stockholm Environmental Conference, and it might help you if I went to that for a day, just on the environment, and the other thing is right now, I don't want to, but I'd be prepared to.

We talked about that, Mr. President, and you actually thought it

The only thing about it that I thought might be helpful is this.

I think it might be helpful when you return.

Let me say this.

You see, when you return, and this, we all have to realize it, once the democratic convention is over, or even before it even comes,

that it is much to our interest to have the public thinking not in partisan terms, but in very upbeat terms about foreign policy rather than domestic policy.

So I think you could go out and make some.

You were talking about the university.

That would be close to the end of the university, but there are a lot of other.

Now, there's one thing that an awful lot of people, particularly in suburbia, are really concerned about.

That's the .

because I didn't know there were so many ducks in it.

But you know what I mean.

Now I thought, I was just thinking if you could go, could I ask you to stand so that I may approach you?

I think if you go, could I go there?

that if you could go, and also I think if you could go, I think you would make speech about it.

Oh, I would.

I think you would make speech about it.

And you would compare.

That's what I meant.

It would have to be proven, isn't it?

It's all the same truth.

It would be good, I think.

We've also been in a situation where we've been pushing for that.

That challenge is a modern society deal.

And I think, and frankly, in all candor, a lot of people do care about the environment.

It is an area of cooperation.

We have to, of course, train these other people who've got it.

Excellent.

I have a business advisory committee that was over.

I had lunch with them.

Good people.

John Swerington and John Clark.

Oh, yeah.

So we were talking about this child-killing aspect.

We were talking about the environment.

One of them said that he was at a meeting the other night.

There's some of these young environmentalists.

I want you to know, if you walk out of this fall and take a deep breath of air, that you will live longer than any other man in the world because of longevity.

In other words, the fact of the matter is, the prospects for living longer now are better than any other man in history.

In other words, as we create problems, we create things to deal with.

Yeah, sure.

That's about half the way that you know the thing.

It's the article that your friend from Logan... Yeah, Tom Shepard.

Tom Shepard pointed out that all this, that the air is cleaner now, the streets are cleaner now, they've never been in history.

I was reading a book last night about New York in 1880 and 1890.

It was two million, five hundred thousand of them could not speak English.

There were gangs up to a thousand that robed the streets.

they were filthy etc etc i mean we talk about law and order and all the rest and so forth god damn it uh there have always been problems there somehow on the environmental conference thing i think that his doing is a good idea because of because i mean it gives him at first it's good for the administration to just show that i love him then i think it's a good idea for him to

to go over and make a speech, and then he can come back and talk about it.

Talk about the fact that Ohio's an environment around the rest of the world.

Because it'll have a lot of...

Train has got a media there, so he's the, is he our top person to be recognized?

Yeah.

Now, I have a committee that Howard Baker chairs.

It's a high-level committee on this subject, and they're very good.

I have the entire committee, and he should go, and he's very good.

You mean the senator?

Yeah, yeah.

Oh.

Oh, I didn't know he knew that.

Is he on the delegation?

I think so.

That would be very helpful for him, too.

Yes, because he's around.

He probably likes to talk about such subjects.

Well, what I thought I might do, if I do that, I'd subpoena him.

Well, it's a two-week conference.

Oh, no, no.

You wouldn't want to go for the conference.

You'd just go in and make a speech.

You know what I would do?

What I would do then maybe is to have you go over and open the conference or make the opening speech and then leave the train or wherever it is to represent us.

You don't have any chance, though.

It's all set up with, I think it's a 15-man delegation that we have.

And what they're doing on most of the seats on the delegation is dividing them in half so that one person will be there the first week and another person the second week.

So you get two weeks.

Other than the three or four people that will stay through the whole thing, most of the people will double up and get two guys covered for the one seat.

Mr. President, I don't really care about the details of it.

No, but I think it's a good idea.

I think it's an excellent idea.

I would strongly agree.

What I'm thinking, and I'm thinking, frankly, is what...

Yes.

What I was going to suggest is that it might be a good idea if we took the top environmentalists or any such groups, and for me to say ahead of time that the President asked me to consult with him, and maybe I could have lunch or something, to heed that, to show him his great interest in this subject.

I'll tell you what, we've got an enormously important committee than that headed by none other than Lawrence Rockefeller.

He is the, isn't that the public?

Lawrence Rockefeller would just love it.

After the fact, let's get him on that, well, trains probably are, he's so close.

Delegations all said, I can't remember.

But any of that, the Lawrence Rockefeller, if I recall, had a with him in the canyon.

Let's get them in here.

But I think it's a little broader.

Because here is a chance where we can reach out and pick up people across the country, you know, and really broker the damn thing for all this work.

Because we have done a good job.

We really have.

We paid the price on the civil credit.

Let me ask you.

Let's ask the Trains Council, you know, because they're there to check, to see, check with the Rockefeller Group.

I think that Rockefeller, my guess is, would just go, go way, way out.

They, they, they are really terrific.

You know that U.S. U.S. had been to there.

But, you know, that's, that's high level.

That's what he thinks.

So the kind of veiling view we have to consider, though, is if we go all out on this bunch,

I want to be for the environment responsible.

I'm getting out of here.

You know what, we're on the same track, but I think it's great to get in and talk about the problems of the world.

It isn't just the United States.

Well, there's some advantage in the United States.

I'm emphasizing the fact that the rest of the world's got the problem.

That we polluted our air and all the rest of the world is pure.

The European cities are all clean and all that.

They're not.

They all have got smog.

Tokyo is terrible.

They've got worse water pollution by far than we have.

Our water is clean.

Our air is clean.

Well, we're not going to... With regard to the thing that your trip will fit in, your first trip, you'll go on the fifth, and you get back.

You see, we don't plan to leave now.

I think... Well, you're not intended to go to leave.

Yeah.

That's good.

21st or something.

I'm trying to keep... Oh, it's the 21st.

That's right.

We're only going to spend one day...

Somebody leaked it.

It was on the front page at the start.

Very disappointed and distressed to learn that the president is going to lend his weight to the dirty bastards now.

Remember, I haven't got a choice.

I don't think we have a problem.

Well, it is.

We put it out.

Well, we put out, too, the report on the radio at this point said that diplomatic sources abroad said so, so they must have

Well, somebody checked with the Irish government.

Sure, we checked with them.

Yeah, I see.

And they put it out.

What, the British don't want us to stop until Sunday night?

I thought that.

I didn't know they were fighting then.

I haven't seen the Star Grant until there's a... Well, let's break it out.

British protest now.

Where else?

There's no other place to stop.

We got a letter this morning from the Saturday night against us.

God.

So I think they're...

I didn't know that they were being approached, to tell you the truth.

I don't know whenever a state gets an answer.

But you sent out the cable.

We haven't done anything out of it.

As soon as we get an answer back.

The shot's making a big pitch for you staying two nights in the Iran city.

He says he's satisfied now at 24 hours.

Is he?

Yeah.

We got a table.

A return dinner table?

No, he's satisfied now.

Do we have to do a return luncheon then?

Yeah.

He wants a lunch.

Yeah, but not a return luncheon.

That's up to us.

He's going to give a dinner, but then we have to give a luncheon.

Well, he says it's up to us.

Either he'll give the lunch, or we should give the lunch.

Or you can have a working lunch.

Let's give a lunch.

You have to have a lunch.

We ought to give it.

We might as well be gracious to him.

Let's fly over the stuff and do it right.

He's a good friend, and I'm glad we're doing that little trick.

That's a good one.

They are the other way.

God, we've had a hell of a time keeping the Canadians with this bounce.

They would have had us eat four times.

And breakfast.

What have we got to bounce for two now?

Actually, really only one.

The White Tide dinner.

Yeah.

The first night there was a second night of entertainment and a reception after.

Well, I don't follow the entertainment.

Jesus Christ, you've got to take more clothes for that than you have to take to China for a weekend.

Well, imagine if she wears the same suit all week and never even presses it.

We sent a recommendation over to the ambassador to file this one present one.

So if we shut it off, it would be interesting to get it out.

Very good.

Yeah.

If we could get it confirmed, that would be a problem.

That one should do it.

Yeah, we ought to do that.

He's a good man.

Can't be confirmed that quickly.

I think I would think so, too.

He would have reasons.

I think the Watson thing is finally worked out already.

Will he come on another vacation?

Watson?

Yeah.

No, he's back.

No, no, he's back.

But I think we worked a lot.

I'm going to need a little letter, which I'm going to do.

I think that'll be good.

Well, I'll tell you, I scared a few of those Sparks.

I don't think people in the glass house will throw stones.

Just when they need them.

You know, the record says that you look good for Susan, but don't ever look at the records.

Can you do me a favor tonight about how you're working on this Catholic speech?

If you get angry with any change in that, what do you want to know?

We get a report.

I always check at 11 before I... 11, and that would be 11 o'clock in the morning there.

I don't know what track it is.

But that just means, Mr. President, that they see no prospect of this lifting, and that therefore they think the earliest it can be is 36 hours.

They can't.

What it takes is a change in event, and that they can't predict.

Tell me this.

You read these things the last couple of days.

I guess it's the pause always that happens as they run on supplies.

They're all advancing to slow someone.

They got everything up, and they slow, and then...

They're going to have a logistics problem.

That's what Schuert says.

I don't exclude that they'll pull out.

And then come back again.

That would be the smart way of doing it.

Well, they had their chief picker.

But unless the clouds clear away, fine.

Mr. President, I hope you don't change the line for the president, because I promise that you don't.

He doesn't want to go.

Is he going?

Yeah.

I changed his line.

I said, I'm not going.

Don't worry.

Is he going?

Of course he is.

Of course, every member of the White House does.

I told him, you weren't going.

And I said, it would look like a boycott if an actual vote isn't going.

You're not going.

You're going, Henry, and Bob, you're going.

Yes.

Yes, I am.

And for both of them, I ordered him.

I made him go.

Well, the Chief Justice had a party and all of a sudden he didn't want to go.

He turned him down and I called him and said, I have a business going.

It's nothing.

Well, we should, Henry, would you indicate to Ziegler that they should note that the Secretary was in for hours?

Yes.

Okay.

I think that's helpful.

He made you all know about the very first conference.

I don't mind the thing, but when we do something, when we start bombing, I want to be an answer about the bombing.

You see, we played it too cool and loud, so we say, go ahead and do it.

I've seen a press press now.

It is draining the police.

Every press guy that I run into.

What do they say?

You know, they're telling me, I'm bombing a little town, but the crowd's low.

It's not a good day.

Are you going back to the farming of Johnson?

That would be up to the 28th parallel.

So, uh, if nobody... We've got a plan.

We've got a plan.

There is black water, okay.

And it's never been hit before?

Not in Europe, that's correct.

Was it hit in Johnson?

Uh, yes, but never so badly.

He's bound to have civilian casualties in Haiphong.

They expect to fund 500 civilian casualties.

Well, I'm saying, I'm saying, we may have to counter that.

Mr. President, if some of the fishers aren't flying now, if we can get, if they fly one day against Haiphong and then everyone in this country says, now that's a nasty reversal.

The thing they've got to do is crack them in this area south of the 18th parallel.

That's where all their storage will end up.

If they work that over, and if he works it over, we ought to paralyze them.

That's one important point.

That's the one point that Bill and I did.

He said, well, we're likely to have more of this and we're falling out of your damn life.

My point is I don't want to let them get back in.

I don't want this to end.

I don't want to bomb these bastards.

for weeks now.

Are you satisfied now that the Navy's moving?

We've air forces, we've got everything that we need.

On the Air Force now we've reached a point in the present where we are in the physical capacity of every airfield in the whole area.

There's literally, we couldn't talk in other air forces.

That must be making it around to the enemy.

That's right.

Today we pulled out 36 planes from Japan to pick it and move it down.

Incidentally, on the mining area, we started on our air force.

Now that's going to be a damn careful letter.

The beauty of the letter is it gives him a

It gets him as much as well.

The media will say what we think, and we'll act, but I want to ask them what they think, so that we don't talk too much about what we're going to be.

Otherwise, what will we do?

Will we leave them in Europe in advance over a limited time?

That's where we've got to get therapy.

That's what you see in me.

That's the reason.

You probably know what I was trying to get at there.

I'm asking for therapy in order to avoid telling sleep with regard to what we're going to talk about.

We're going to talk about that.

And that will be all over the damn Europe.

I'm sorry, the British, we got off a little message to Heath and he appreciated it very much.

I don't know, we never authorized approaching the Irish.

The State Department must have done that.

We have no interest in raising this.

Dropped it in there.

Somebody must have... You might be calling Croner right now, I'm just saying.

Well, let me find out what this is.

Because I'm sorry.

I'm sorry that we may go down, but the whole point is we're going to see a friend.

Remember, I raised this with you.

That poses an even more difficult problem.

We can't go.

We can't get them okay.

There was no need.

We have seven weeks, Mr. President.

There was seven weeks, there was no need for us either.

They just tend to get going on everything.

Well, we've got to get a clamp on them.

They're all excited about the Russian schedule now, too.

All the tunes you're going to lay, read, zap, and the one-off plays and operas to go to.

That's with you now.

I just don't respond, yeah.

Okay.

We'll put together a thing.

How is this a little game we're playing tonight?

But they had all these hot ideas, so I told them, send it over here and hold them in charge of the Indian ambulance.

So they sent us an ambulance memo.

I said, don't respond to it.

If you respond, they'll work on it.

Until you respond, they can't do anything.

That's what happened.

You see the whole story.

It's just for the guidance of Trayton and his wife.

Well, it's funny, actually.

As a matter of fact, it's helpful.

There are a couple good ideas.

Yeah, but the danger was they were going to go to their embassy and start negotiating something.

They've got the usual things.

You can go to the Moscow University and meet with the group of American students that are attending there.

It's suicide.

And then you can go to the, where was it, someplace...

They want you to go to Kiev or something so that you can talk to all the Jews that are there who are suffering under Soviet Jewry.

And then you can go to, what was it, someplace else where you talk to the Americans.

This is what would happen to American foreign policy if we left.

It's a very, very, as a 39-year-old Vice President of the United States.

On a 73-day trip to Asia, I had to make up all the goddamn schedules and turn down the speed at exactly the start of the day.

And even then, I knew, and I hadn't even been abroad before.

They do things that build themselves up.

I know.

They want you to open the consulate in Leningrad.

No, they changed that now.

They don't want you to.

I think Ross is ought to go to Leningrad, though, because that would get him out of Moscow, and we could...

But they don't want you to open it.

Because that would require opening the Russian consulate on San Francisco, which is the big bottom or something.

I'll get it.

I think it's a good idea.

Now, he wants to come back.

One thing I didn't know was the signal on.

He wants to come back and go to Warsaw.

It would make it pretty high profile, Mr. President.

How does he do that?

Can't you tell him that?

You left it pretty open.

You didn't say yes.

He shouldn't go.

Mr. President, for him to leave...

He's going to be in NATO.

For him to leave NATO and rush back to Warsaw...

Which is a communist country.

That's just too much.

And he's needed there.

That's a symbolic visit.

We don't have much business with it at all.

We're in Warsaw the day of the NATO meeting.

But he'd have to leave...

Don't you believe that we should replace it and ask in Iran that we can give something?

Oh, yes.

The embassy is not asking.

No, no, he's giving you, I don't know, what is the flying time?

The embassy, the night embassy.

No, no, the Shah is giving you a palace.

Our people served in that palace.

Oh, yeah.

Well, I would suggest that instead of having our people serve, that we, I think we've overdone that period.

I think that the Iranians can serve an American dinner.

I think we, you know, I think we distribute this and we can take our chefs over.

We can take one head chef over to supervise the production and make sure it's done our way or something, you know.

The only problem is, Mr. President, I don't know what is the client.

The Shah at Persepolis served native food to everybody who was there.

in exactly the form, I mean, they're all naked.

Agnew was given American filet mignon and stuff, and Haile Selassie was given his stuff, and the Chinese was given Chinese stuff, and, you know, they...

I don't know what the flying time to... Warsaw is.

I don't either.

And it's going west, but that's good.

So we gain an hour.

We gain maybe two hours.

Yeah, I think it's two.

I think we gain two hours.

Oh, I don't know.

Two or three.

It could be three.

It's a great way to go.

If you want to get to Warsaw before dark, you've got to get to Warsaw.

I don't give a damn.

I mean, the shot is important, but it's not that important to us.

Our arrival in Warsaw is more important than satisfying the shot.

If you can leave by three...

It's too late.

You ought to be in Warsaw by 6.

We arrive in Warsaw.

At the end of the day, you aren't going to have any people there.

It's over.

It's too late.

I don't know.

No, at the end of the day, they'll be leaving their factories and so forth.

That's a good time to arrive.

Yeah, but I'm not talking about that 7 or 8 at night.

No.

No, no.

No.

If you get there by 5.

If you leave at, if you left at 3, say, from 10.

We have to lunch at 12 o'clock.

We'll look back.

You have to get the flying time.

That's what I told him on the luncheon day.

I just said, first we've got to find out what our fault is.

Why does he want to launch?

It is a big thing for him.

He wants you to give him something.

All right.

Any other way in the future?

Well, I think if you get to Poland even by 536, their factories let out around 6.

You'll have a tumultuous reception in Poland.

There's just no way that can be avoided if you arrive at midnight.

And the days will be long by then in Poland.

It's quite far north.

But it's a question.

You gain two hours.

I don't think it's more than a five-hour flight, especially if they don't let us fly across rather than three.

Well, I can't accept it.

I don't think it's more than time.

It can't be more than that.

And if necessary, work it out.

And if necessary, for the right time, if you have to do it, then you better spend two nights in care of it.

That's the other way to do it.

Yeah, it would be better to spend two nights in Tehran than to... than to erupt all the way to Iraq.

A Polish arrival is so important.

One other way you could handle it, Mr. President, that the possibility is, there's really nothing to do in Baku.

Yeah.

And if we leave from Baku to Tehran, it can't be more than two hours.

Yeah.

It doesn't look to me like it's anywhere near that long.

It may be even an hour.

So my point is if you take less back to a 10 in the morning, got to Tehran at 11, you could give a lunch the day you arrive.

In other words, you could have two meals that way.

You could have lunch the day you arrive, dinner, and then leave any time you want.

When that buyer leaves the customer, can you give him the first lunch?

Well, let him get the first lunch and you give a dinner.

He said he doesn't care whether you give the lunch or he gives the lunch.

We could simply tell him he can give both meals.

Let him give both meals.

I think that's better.

I think it's really better.

I don't think I should give him a lunch.

Unless he can, if it works out for the second day.

I just don't feel that he would give much for that.

Am I giving a lunch for him too?

So that's a possibility.

That's what he suggested.

He wanted you to give a dinner for him the second night.

So then I should give a lunch for him.

And he said they released the luncheon.

Their bargaining position was to go back to a...

This is not a cable.

This is a Sondrage meeting with the ambassador.

But we got the cable in just about half an hour ago, which said they walk you in any event for two meals.

And he leaves it up to you whether you want to give the lunch or he wants to give the lunch.

But it's clear he'd prefer you to give the lunch.

You know, one thing, getting back to Bill, if only he would get his off of his ass and get out and talk about China and stuff.

Why the hell doesn't he, Bob?

Well, actually, it's just that Wally doesn't talk about China now.

I hope.

No, but the right thing, if you talk about the way Marshall Green did, that's bad, no?

That's what we need.

You know.

Wait.

Talk about Russia.

And NATO.

But you could probably leave Baku in time to have two meals in.

You know, and on the day you... Let's not worry about it.

Let's put it... Now with the polls, we'll just get into time to whatever it is.

We'll have dinner that night, I suppose.

You can start with a lunch in there the next day.

Well, that's all right.

You won't want to leave both of them until 6 o'clock or something.

Let's get back to early.

Yeah.

All right.

We'll go to Florida tomorrow, Henry.

Would you have to come back Friday night?

No, I'm just trying to get out.

I think it's good if I have a wedding meeting Saturday morning.

Well, that's all right.

The fact that you just go down for the day is good.

You'll have the afternoon and the evening and then the following day will be good for that bunch of stuff.

Oh, it'd be great for me, yes.

I couldn't say if I had met with you and reviewed the situation.

One thing, I was just talking to Robin.

Presley needs to go home early at night.

to go to Philadelphia, and I think we should let them call the press at 7 in the morning and tell them that you're tentatively flying to Florida or something, so that we don't really screw up.

Well, do you think we'll know enough of that?

Would you say that's a possibility?

From the international point of view, Mr. President, it would be wrong for you to say this.

No decision needs to be made that you can't make as well down there.

I'm sure of that, but I'm just wondering, you know, what headlines and so forth are going to be.

It isn't a question of that.

I think it's not going to be that much different.

I don't think that the people are all that charged up, and you shouldn't get the impression that this is an American battle anyway.

Peter and I have minutes of talk here.

I know all these things, but every 15 minutes of...

It's falling apart.

It's fairly positive now.

It's not bad.

It isn't, if you don't mind.

No.

Do you agree, Mr. Savant?

Yeah, so far.

I mean, because Humphrey is saying we should do more.

Or we should, yeah.

What are you saying?

He said we should give them maximum or large aerials of all that happens.

Well, he says we shouldn't react to the invention.

Come on, Marcus, let him come.

He has really, really, he has grew himself good, hasn't he?

What is your assessment of this concept?

about what we wanted.

The only thing I would have liked to have, I don't have Muskie do a little better.

But because I, on the other hand, I still think Muskie's going to stay in.

Because I don't think they'll let him out now.

A lot of the boys around here don't agree with me on that.

They think Muskie doesn't have a heart to stay in.

But that's how it is today.

He'll stay in.

But I say, he's having a meeting today.

He's having a big meeting today or tomorrow with his strategy.

Is he equal to DeSantis?

Well, what he ought to do is stay in and go work back to all the numbers.

We want them all in at the end, but what it does mean is if you're now in a situation where McGovern is a viable candidate for the left, with Lindsay out, he'll pick up those nuts, which is about 5%.

And that's something.

It'll mean that, therefore, that you're going to have... And how free is that at the end?

No question.

How free is that?

So you've got Humphrey and Muskie.

Humphrey and McGovern will be fighting it out.

And the other ones you'll have... Yeah.

Okay.

Humphrey and McGovern will be fighting it out.

And then the other one will be that...

But Wallace will be in, of course, but he's going to get it.

And the question is whether they must be in as well.

And they'll go to the convention and they'll have a hell of a fight, presumably, with all that there.

Then the question is whether one of them can get nominated.

What would really be the ideal situation would be for it to come down to a fight between two, a government and Humphrey, and one to lose, and one to get it.

Either of them.

Defense would be in Humphrey, but I think, as an outsider, I mean, outside of non-executive politics in Humphrey, if McGovern fought it out in Humphrey once, then McGovern's people would split.

They would, if you're...

If McGovern doesn't get it... You can't lose that way.

If Humphrey and McGovern fight it out and Humphrey wins, then McGovern's people would split, if you're right.

If McGovern wins...

The Democratic Party has sunk.

Oh yeah, because they're on the left.

Because they're so tied to the far left that they've lost all the center ground.

And McGovern is not a credible candidate.

McGovern will fall apart as one put on a presidential pedestal.

Oh, no question.

You can't lose if you get down to that height.

That's why so many people believe that Teddy...

will be drafted.

I'm not sure that I would say that either.

And I'm not sure that McGovern, if McGovern is a viable candidate as president, that Kennedy can step into it because the people he wants are on McGovern's side.

Yes, they really are.

Well, I am inclined to think that McGovern might not be able to clear Kennedy.

You never know about that either.

Well, the other thing is you get the danger when you build a stocking horse and all of a sudden he thinks he's not the stocking horse.

I know my cousin.

He doesn't think he's the stocking horse.

You don't think he does?

Absolutely not.

I know my cousin.

But he doesn't think he is extremely man.

Is he?

Oh, yes.

The thing I don't know is he isn't always a man without humor.

That is the thing.

He has no humor.

He's beastly serious.

But he defeats the people around him.

The McGovern people, the non-Kennedy people around him, who figure if it goes to Kennedy, who's out to push McGovern into thinking that he's got... Now, McEvitt, McEvitt will drop in tomorrow.

That's what I read.

McEvitt will drop in tomorrow.

Let's just read it out loud first.

Uh, but, uh, McGovern is going to get out.

That is inconceivable.

He's not saying it, but that's the news.

In my view, he's going to stay in unless his position looks totally hopeless.

It won't.

If it looks hopeless, he's capable then of saying, Kennedy is my candidate of the left, but that would put Kennedy in a hell of a spot.

And the government is sort of a denier.

He is.

In that mild way of his, he is a real, uh, he's a real leftist.

I mean, I believe leftists are sort of a populist, uh, Midwestern, and basically isolationist.

More, more.

That's right.

Basically, basically isolationist with, uh... Basically, yeah, I admire him.

I mean, I, and I defend his, and I do isolationist everything.

Well, we're going to have an interesting time.

But to me, one interesting thing about this, and I don't know whether you agree with this, I find it interesting that the two candidates who stand for something, a government for peace and one for just being different, that they are the ones that do relatively bad.

They're beginning to come down, yes.

Because the American people, I believe, now want men

I'm convinced that by 70 ticks it's going to take the shape of our political life.

For 20 years since Eisenhower, we were all at the same.

Because it was the reaction to the war and to the need for traffic.

Now, with all these other people, people want a leader.

They want somebody who's willing to stand alone.

I think, for example, for you, Mr. President, Cambodia is now last.

Well, sure, an asset.

I don't know that it's a huge asset, but that it's an asset in terms of our foreign policy, that's for sure.

No, no, I think it's a popular asset.

It's a real asset, if not a parent, but I think it's a parent asset, too.

I think you understand.

And why?

Because of leadership?

Because it worked.

And because you all did all the work.

You all did all the work.

Laos, they don't think it worked, but Laos really did work.

Laos is not an asset, though, no.

Laos is not an asset.

Laos is not an asset, but because of the reason you did it.

If the President had asked the first set, and had said, this is what we're going to achieve, then we could now point to the facts that we achieved exactly.

Let me tell you another thing.

I was analyzing Henry's speeches.

And I was analyzing some of my readers, even friendly readers, who said, well, they thought that the November 3rd speech was a fine speech up to the point that I, to the end, where I was, put in all the emotional work.

And, of course, the stuff about the silent majority.

And as Lane said about Cambodia, Cambodia was good in history, but we made too much out of it, and so forth.

They have to realize, and I go back and back to the fun speech to do.

I remember saying to Christopher, why didn't you just stop after he was playing the fun?

Everybody would understand.

What they don't realize is that what makes any speech that has any greatness in it, you've got to have an emotional charge in it.

And it drives these goddamn intellectuals up the wall because they're incapable of honest, decent emotion.

That would be a good speech.

Without Kent State, would it be a tremendous immediate success?

Was it turned down?

Was it all right?

As it was.

We all got too excited about Kent State.

That was our problem around here.

We got too excited.

Wasn't it?

You didn't.

I think that's right.

I think there were a lot of people who got too excited about it.

And then got in touch with us.

but i think this i think standing for something in a sense

Frankly, right or wrong, coming out against busing, even though I have to do it in a responsible way, is taking a position.

I'm against marijuana.

All right, let's say you can position it.

And that's the kind of thing we want.

And in terms of the foreign policy, the China trip is frankly B for something.

It's a bold move.

I think the same is true of the economic thing kicking me in the ass.

That was incidentally very, I think you being up on that platform was very effective.

You said he called me and you know he came fishing on the China trip.

I know all.

He said he's been taking a trip around the country, and he said it is unbelievable to him what an impact the challenge has been made.

He said in all his speeches, he received exactly one hostile question.

But on the rocker saying that we got it on the proper control manager.

Yeah, he, well, we have constantly, what a great job they're doing on the operation.

You know what counts on the Russian people?

On the operation, I mean, we've got it on the operation.

But remember, those letters have got to be his dialogue.

That's right.

Okay?

No, I think that's right.

Sir, do you want to bring the tickets or do you want to give them to the Yogi, sir?

I take it.

Just a little bit?

Yes, sir.

I've got a motion to go to the police.

What's the issue?

I've got a call, sir.

You've got one?

Yes, sir.

I've got a great case here.

Where is it?

It's in the Yogi, sir.

Do you want to pick it up?