Conversation: 705-013
Prev: 705-012 Next: 705-014Start Date: Monday, April 10, 1972 5:44 PM
End Date: Monday, April 10, 1972 6:06 PM
Participants:
Nixon, Richard M. (President); Kissinger, Henry A.; Bull, Stephen B.; Sanchez, Manolo; Nixon, Thelma C. ("Pat") (Ryan); Dobrynin, Anatoliy F.; Ziegler, Ronald L.; White House operatorRecording Device: Oval Office
Full Tape Conversation Start Time: 03:31:06
Full Tape Conversation End Time: 03:56:57
NARA Description:
On April 10, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon, Henry A. Kissinger, Stephen B. Bull, Manolo Sanchez, Thelma C. ("Pat") (Ryan) Nixon, Anatoliy F. Dobrynin, Ronald L. Ziegler, and the White House operator met in the Oval Office of the White House from 12:44 pm to 1:06 pm. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 705-013 of the White House Tapes.
Nixon Library Finding Aid:
Conversation No. 705-13
Date: April 10, 1972
Time: 12:44 pm - 1:06 pm
Location: Oval Office
The President met with Henry A. Kissinger.
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NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF
Tape Subject Log
(rev. 10/06)
Conv. No. 705-13 (cont.)
US-Union of Soviet Socialist Republics [USSR] relations
-Anatoliy F. Dobrynin
The President's remarks at signing ceremony of Biological Weapons Convention
-Press release from Ronald L. Ziegler
Stephen B. Bull entered at an unknown time after 12:44 pm.
-Copy for Kissinger
-Ziegler
Bull left at an unknown time before 12:50 pm.
Bull entered at an unknown time after 12:44 pm.
-Delivery to the President
Bull left at an unknown time before 12:50 pm.
The President's trip to USSR
-Dobrynin
-Bilateral issues
-Arrangements
-Kremlin
-Floor plan
-Press
-Number
-Ziegler
Manolo Sanchez [?] entered at an unknown time after 12:44 pm.
Refreshment
Sanchez [?] left at an unknown time before 12:50 pm.
The President's trip to USSR
-Arrangements
-Kissinger’s telephone conversation with Dobrynin
-The President
-Dobrynin's trip to Moscow
-Kissinger’s trip to Japan
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NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF
Tape Subject Log
(rev. 10/06)
Conv. No. 705-13 (cont.)
-Cancellation
-The President
-Refreshments
Thelma C. (“Pat”) Nixon
-Meeting with Mrs. Irini N. Dobrynin
-Arrangements
-Attendance at James F. Byrnes's funeral
-Trip to Canada
The President talked with the White House operator at an unknown time between 12:44 and
12:50 pm.
[Conversation No. 705-13A]
[See Conversation No. 22-94]
[End of telephone conversation]
US-USSR relations
-Mrs. Dobrynin
-Meeting with Mrs. Nixon
-Dobrynin's trip to Moscow
-Timing
The President talked with Mrs. Nixon between 12:50 and 12:51 pm.
[Conversation no. 705-13B]
[See Conversation No. 22-95]
[End of telephone conversation]
US-USSR relations
-Dobrynin
-Kissinger’s call
-Mrs. Nixon's tea with Mrs. Dobrynin
-Arrangements
-The President's conversation with George R.S. Baring [Earl of Cromer]
Henry A. Kissinger talked with the White House operator at an unknown time between 12:51
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NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF
Tape Subject Log
(rev. 10/06)
Conv. No. 705-13 (cont.)
and 12:59 pm.
[Conversation No. 705-13C]
[See Conversation No. 22-96]
[End of telephone conversation]
US-USSR relations
-Mrs. Nixon's tea with Mrs. Dobrynin
-The president's conversations with Dobrynin and the Earl of Cromer
-Arrangements
-Media coverage
-Trips to Canada and South Carolina
-Timing
Vietnam
-South Vietnam
-Message to Gen. Nguyen Van Thieu
-Impact on Thieu’s morale
The President's remarks at signing ceremony
-Gerard C. Smith
-Preparation
-Press coverage
-Kissinger’s view
-Preparation
Vietnam
-Richard M. Helms
-Call from Kissinger
-B-52 strike
-Timing
-Support for the President
The President's remarks at recent signing ceremony
-Arms control
-Use of force
-Responsibility for phrase
-The President’s trip to the People’s Republic of China [PRC]
-"Great powers"
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NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF
Tape Subject Log
(rev. 10/06)
Conv. No. 705-13 (cont.)
-Intervention in other countries
Kissinger talked with Dobrynin at an unknown time between 12:51 and 12:59 pm.
[Conversation No. 705-13D]
[See Conversation No. 22-97]
[End of telephone conversation]
US-USSR relations
-Kissinger’s conversation with Dobrynin
-Vietnam
-Negotiations
-Public proposals
-Public pressure on US
-Response
Vietnam
-North Vietnamese offensive
-Chances of South Vietnamese success
Ziegler entered at 12:59 pm.
Press briefing
-The President's remarks at recent signing ceremony
-Gerald L. Warren
-Vietnam
-USSR
-Dobrynin
-Responsibilities of great powers
-Encouragement not to use force
-Soviet role
-Public remarks
The President's remarks at recent signing ceremony
-Kissinger’s view
Ziegler left at 1:02 pm.
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NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF
Tape Subject Log
(rev. 10/06)
Conv. No. 705-13 (cont.)
Kissinger’s schedule
-Meeting with unknown person
Vietnam
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BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 1
[National Security]
[Duration: 37s ]
VIETNAM
END WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 1
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-Soviet ships into Hanoi
-Surveillance
-Presidential approval
-Air
-Destroyers
-Soviet reaction
-Blockade
-Mines
-Preparations
Biological Warfare Convention Treaty signing ceremony
-Arms Control and Disarmament Agency [ACDA]
-The President's remarks on US-USSR relations
-Dobrynin
-Value
-Timing
-Moscow summit
-Cancellation
-Possible fall of South Vietnam
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NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF
Tape Subject Log
(rev. 10/06)
Conv. No. 705-13 (cont.)
Vietnam
-North Vietnamese offensive
-Stakes in war for US
-Compared with Boer war
-Unknown person
-British and French
-Compared with Algerian war
-Credibility of US foreign policy
-Domino theory
-Compared with Spanish civil war
-Difference of time periods
-Soviet arms
-Impact on Middle East
-Kissinger’s talk with Dobrynin
-Israel
-Possible outcome
-Impact on Berlin treaty
-[David] Kenneth Rush
-Development of treaties
US-USSR relations
-Mrs. Nixon
-Meeting with Mrs. Dobrynin
-Briefing paper
-Kissinger’s office
-Meeting with Kissinger
-Kissinger’s meeting with President and Mrs. Nixon
-Talking points
-Kissinger’s parents
-Kennedy Center
The President's schedule
-Meeting with Kissinger's parents
-Photographs
-Time
-Duration
-Reception for National Alliance of Businessmen
-Meeting with Kissinger's parents
-Louis Kissinger
-Age
-Time
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NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF
Tape Subject Log
(rev. 10/06)
Conv. No. 705-13 (cont.)
Kissinger left at 1:06 pm.