Nixon, Haldeman & Walters on White House Schedule and Soviet Union Summit

46:08We're free to do so, in other words, until tomorrow.
46:12We don't have to do it tomorrow.
46:17We decided not to.
46:20Oh, no, I'm wrong, sir.
46:21Oh, we are.
46:22We give other leaders a chance.
46:30Well, the principal good idea about it is it gets you out of having to play it next week and the next week.
46:38I don't intend to have leaders being too often up here.
46:41You know, I mean, they're just in for the birds.
46:46So we have to have something to have to follow.
46:50Okay, the leader's meeting us tomorrow at 8 o'clock.
46:55What is the situation now?
47:01Let's schedule tomorrow.
47:03What about Thursday then?
47:06We've got it pretty much out there.
47:12Thursday is Scott and Matt's deal still.
47:19Because they couldn't shift.
47:22They can't come tomorrow.
47:23Over to today.
47:24We probably could shift it to tomorrow if you want to.
47:28Do it after the leadership meeting.
47:29Yeah.
47:33No, Scott's got him in his pitch.
47:35But why not have him, uh, why not have him first thing in the afternoon?
47:38Do you want to do that?
47:42What else do you have the next day?
47:44I'm just thinking, I might go to Camp David.
47:46They're just on the other team.
47:48Tomorrow night, see you then.
47:49We can do, if you want to, we can do Scott and Matt Steele League this afternoon.
47:54Which might be better for them anyway.
47:56If they show this idea, let's get it done by 5 o'clock this afternoon.
48:00How's that?
48:02That was a possibility at one point, so I would assume it's still at 5 o'clock this afternoon over at the EOP.
48:13We could have done that this morning, but Henry's tied up.
48:17See if Henry could be with us tomorrow at 5 o'clock.
48:19All right.
48:20All right.
48:28All right.
48:32And today, if you want a picture of that, we'll meet it together.
48:37Is there any other room where we could meet them, where we could let people take pictures?
48:45I wonder if we would like it that they take a picture in the math room.
48:51That's not a bad idea.
48:52The math room can have the map pulled down.
49:00That's more comfortable than the library would be.
49:03Well, the library's not comfortable.
49:05Well, it'll be more comfortable than either, but, uh... Why don't we tell them I have a picture in the math room, and let the people take it there, and we'll have the math go down.
49:25There won't be much of a physical picture there.
49:27Well, that's right.
49:29Because the map is on the side.
49:31That describes the map, huh?
49:34But do you think it's a good idea to have one in the background?
49:38Yeah.
49:39Fine.
49:39It takes care of that.
49:41Then, this is today, you see.
49:44Then that would clear tomorrow morning.
49:46No, tomorrow morning.
49:47No.
49:47But it would clear Thursday morning.
49:50Why don't we have Thursday for us today, then?
49:53Until 5 o'clock.
49:54Is it clear until noon?
49:56Yeah.
49:57That's good.
49:57That's all I need.
50:00What do we have in the afternoon?
50:07All you have is the undercoaster change now.
50:09All you have is a couple shots at noon.
50:13We can change that if you want to.
50:14Instead, you've got to sign your tax returns.
50:20And we've run through that with DeMarco and the White House conference on you people that present their report, which is, we were going to do it then, and we were going to just run DeMarco in just before them, so you have only the thing in there.
50:31Aren't you ready for what goes in?
50:33Aren't you ready for what goes in tomorrow when you do that?
50:39We can try.
50:41Well, the White House conference.
50:45Well, unless you want to say you can't do it.
50:47You have to leave at 5 on Thursday for Canada.
50:53That's right.
50:55We could move it to later.
50:56You could do it just before you leave for Canada.
50:58We could do it at 4.
51:04Why don't you do that?
51:06Just in case, you know, I wanted to...
51:09I'll do that.
51:09Why don't you redo that, Bob?
51:11No.
51:14present that and go off to Canada.
51:18The taxes will take me one minute.
51:22I'm not asking you any questions.
51:26The other people just did a few minutes.
51:31We can do it, get it out of the way.
51:33They don't want to have a long conference.
51:36You can do it and then sign.
51:37If there's any signing stuff, clean that up and then leave for Canada.
51:41That way you could be gone from, you could leave here any time Wednesday after 10 o'clock.
51:51And not go back until 3, 3 or 4.
51:54Yeah, you'll be cleared then after the leaders' meeting.
52:01I think it's a good idea for me to do that.
52:03I've got some, I'm doing some sort of writing things out right now.
52:07Sure.
52:07And we've got, rather than coming Wednesday afternoon, we can have them come up to Camp David and we'll cancel them, if you don't mind.
52:13Well, if this is this way, we can just cancel them.
52:18If I go up, I'll cancel them.
52:21Well, let them come to the other people anyway.
52:22Just let them come.
52:23Just let them know, you know, I mean, that's just what we're doing.
52:25You can cancel them at the last minute.
52:27Well, just let it come and then say, gee, let her go.
52:30Well, that's good.
52:36It's a good idea.
52:37As far as anybody who goes up there with me this time, just have the usual one secretary.
52:46I wouldn't bother with a way of...
52:52No, I think we'll finish that damn speech tonight.
52:55I think Henry's getting his copies by 2 o'clock today.
52:59The Canadian speech.
53:01And, uh, but take one of your girls up there, you know.
53:07That was very useful in Florida.
53:12And if you go around, just say that one of them, if you've given this one girl a chance, take, uh, Mitch, and I'll go over.
53:22All right.
53:22Yeah.
53:23Now, maybe it isn't well-mixed, but maybe she's very good.
53:25She may take a little time.
53:27Does that pose a problem?
53:28That doesn't pose a problem, but I think it's good to mix them up amongst the ones that you're comfortable with.
53:33Fine.
53:34Well, you found one we have.
53:35The more we can get that you feel you can now use, the better off we are.
53:39I found this one, and I found Yates.
53:42Do you want to try the other, the young one?
53:44Or is she that terribly good one?
53:46I've got to find out.
53:47I don't think she is.
53:49She's very good with people.
53:52I'm not sure she's really good with this gal.
53:55It's just a damn machine.
53:56Maybe that's not the type of machine.
54:02Maybe that's not.
54:03We've got this one.
54:04We've got Yates.
54:06And Acker and Wood.
54:08Acker and Rose.
54:08You'll never get Acker.
54:09A Rose without Acker.
54:12You'll never get Acker.
54:14You can get without Rose sometimes.
54:17I used to take two.
54:27And this would be one .
54:29Well, let me see if I can finish the speech.
54:31And I think we should, okay.
54:38But we found one.
54:39This is good.
54:40This old girl is all right.
54:41Incidentally, let me ask you something about their backgrounds and so forth.
54:46How old is this girl?
54:49What's your experience?
54:51I want to know who the hell she's working for.
54:54Is she married?
54:56She's not married.
54:56She is.
54:57Is she?
54:58I don't know.
55:02I assume that you made the thorough check on the loyalties and all that sort of thing.
55:07Yes, sir.
55:07Then we'd run some, you know.
55:10And we know Yates is all right.
55:11Yates is basically for, works for anybody.
55:14She's worked for Johnson, Kennedy, Eisenhower, everybody.
55:18She came here in Eisenhower.
55:20I know.
55:21She's worked for all of them.
55:22That's right.
55:24But I don't have any questions to, in my mind, as to where Yates...
55:28Her integrity.
55:29Well, her integrity, but also her personal.
55:33I'm sure she was totally honest and straightforward with Eisenhower and Johnson, I mean with Kennedy and Johnson, that she didn't like him.
55:41And I think she likes you.
55:43She likes us.
55:44Definitely.
55:45I think she's... Would you check this girl on that score?
55:48Yep.
55:50I think they've all been checked.
55:51I think she's...
55:52I think she's very, very, could be just totally a machine.
55:56But you never know.
55:57Look at that goddamn little one.
55:59And he got, you know, a little Jew girl.
56:01Probably smart.
56:02Yeah.
56:03You see?
56:04Yeah.
56:06Well, we kind of ground on through pretty well.
56:10You see, I think that's enough for us.
56:13And this girl turns out, she's quicker, smarter, faster than me.
56:18This one is.
56:19Oh, yeah, I'm sure she touched us too.
56:21Oh, yeah, she touched us.
56:24Oh, yeah, she touched us too.
56:26She's not as, the age is not as fast as Rose, and this girl is faster, probably, than either.
56:32That's right.
56:33I think she is.
56:34She's the bestest one, I think, in this youth, that I've ever seen.
56:38Both Rose and Yates are 50 years old.
56:41And this one is unflappable, very...
56:45Very calm.
56:46Yeah.
56:48Very good.
56:50That's about enough.
56:51Under pressure.
56:52I'm glad we got around to this, though, because...
56:56you know we've been uh we've been sort of living at the end of the precipice haven't we in terms of what can happen with me although always have in mind march is totally totally you have to act with whatever you want i i jesus jesus
57:18Well, Arch has the advantage of some of the things that she can do, but this one can't because she just doesn't know the flares, so Arch knows all of them.
57:42And Margie's got a couple other gals in there working with her.
57:47They're typical Rose Lewis help.
57:50She's a basic loyalist, but Rose does not hire competent people.
57:56She won't do it.
58:00It's funny, though, because Rose is so competent.
58:03She's so head and shoulders.
58:05She doesn't have to worry about competition.
58:08She shouldn't have to worry about all that.
58:09Also, she'd be better off if she had somebody to push her home.
58:13And she'll always be a little better if she's got a smart person around.
58:20Well, give me a quick run-by on the other problems that we've got.
58:23We're going to get Peterson out of the way today, and Blanigan out of the way.
58:26I mean, and Kahn, Kahn, Kahn.
58:28Good.
58:30Have a meeting with Kahn.
58:37Have Dave see if he can schedule Scott Mansfield with Kissinger at 5 o'clock today.
58:52He's coming out of the way today.
58:53He's got to check with Kissinger first.
58:56Then what we'll do is do it for cocktails in the bathroom.
59:02That's Scott Mansfield should be invited on that basis.
59:05You should check first to be sure Henry can make a dent.
59:07And urge him to try to work it out.
59:13Okay.
59:21How did Henry do?
59:22Hard with the staff?
59:24Yes, he did.
59:25Good idea.
59:26He did it hard.
59:28on the, he gave, you know, a little fill and he moved into the, a little fill on the, you know, sort of reading how it's going, and then moved into the sample article, you know, that somebody in the White House had.
59:44Yeah.
59:44Then I started interrupting Ron.
59:47I said, as a matter of fact, that's one where it would be worth finding out who the stupid guy was that would say something like that, because we ought to move in on some of those.
1:00:00So just, you know, it's locked up there.
1:00:02Yeah.
1:00:04But worry about it.
1:00:07But go ahead.
1:00:08And Henry, trouble is, Finch wasn't there.
1:00:10Oh, boy.
1:00:11Klein wasn't there.
1:00:13Yeah, Klein needs it.
1:00:14Well, I've got the talking points.
1:00:16Henry, did Henry tell you that we dictated some talking points to get everybody?
1:00:19No, but that's good.
1:00:21I've got talking points.
1:00:22I put it on two pages, and Henry's elaborated a little bit, and that goes to everybody.
1:00:28And Klein needs it, too, if you know what I'm saying.
1:00:32The client isn't saying the other thing.
1:00:35The client is not to say, gee, we think this is endangering the generation of thieves.
1:00:42The play on the war business is good today.
1:00:45The public impression that you get, because you've got the South Vietnamese commander saying, we've stopped the drive.
1:00:53Our senior official saying that we sound as good anyway.
1:00:59There's the ones where you have a tank column that can't get out of the road or something.
1:01:06That also isn't true.
1:01:12So that's in good position.
1:01:21IT&T thing.
1:01:21It just goes on and on.
1:01:23It just goes on and on.
1:01:24It's, it's, uh, I heard it was for, I read the told you this was a come home show session.
1:01:29I thought it was handled well because they were, this charge hearing, Miriam, kind of, uh, stood around one way or the other.
1:01:39He must be a clown.
1:01:41Well, he, he, he, it just created all the more confusion.
1:01:44And, and that's really the way it got, got played.
1:01:49And he concluded, they said, how many people do you have in your office?
1:01:52And he says, I have 23 people in my office and 28 women.
1:01:57Broke the road up.
1:01:59So he laughed and said, well, at least that's the bill.
1:02:03It's awful.
1:02:04It's awful.
1:02:05How did Wilson do?
1:02:07All right, I guess.
1:02:12Didn't he?
1:02:15He did.
1:02:17Does anybody, does any one of our folks follow up on it and say, I told you I wouldn't do this, and they follow it in the questioning to ask Marion, could you provide a list of senators and congressmen?
1:02:30Provide a transportation and that sort of thing.
1:02:33It didn't in there.
1:02:34Actually by the time he was on, only Bernie was there.
1:02:37We're going to the floor watch thing.
1:02:39We asked no questions yesterday.
1:02:41And they're laying the groundwork.
1:02:43Now today we get a favorable witness.
1:02:44We get Peterson, the criminal division guy.
1:02:49And our guys will work on him.
1:02:52Then they don't know what they're going to do after that.
1:02:56But we're supposed to finish next Thursday, the week of Thursday.
1:03:02Oh, they agreed to go for two more weeks, so they go to the 20th.
1:03:06But we're set to follow the tactic after today of walking out if it's not, if they don't get to remain.
1:03:15The problem is, Eastland, you know, the Harris has started a thing to strip Eastland of its seniority because of this,
1:03:23disloyalty to the Democratic cause or something.
1:03:26Yeah.
1:03:26That's nice.
1:03:27And so they're having a caucus on the end this morning.
1:03:31So Eastland took the afternoon off to get ready for that and turned the gavel over to Irvin to screw things up.
1:03:36Yeah.
1:03:37Yeah.
1:03:41Well, could they get a start, some sort of barrage of letters to Eastland?
1:03:46Yeah.
1:03:46And the rest is, you're making asses of yourselves.
1:03:50Colson's on it.
1:03:50Well, don't get Colson on it.
1:03:52But one of your young folks on this one, he's got one of his on.
1:03:54He has a young kid.
1:03:55I marked it in the news.
1:03:56I mean, it just started to hurt.
1:04:01It went out there.
1:04:02And we have a business on food prices.
1:04:09It's a story of life.
1:04:15Yeah.
1:04:16And to follow up, I did a conference in Atlanta.
1:04:20It's not a good one.
1:04:54to planning the invitation to testify and stating that Plannigan on the substance would have nothing to say that in any way vary from the testimony by Judge McLaren regarding Plannigan's involvement in this matter.
1:05:09It would corroborate completely.
1:05:11And Plannigan had absolutely no involvement in the report of
1:05:20the guy who got in, and further that Flanagan has in no way been involved at any time in the arrangements for financing of the Republican National Convention.
1:05:30They want to do it once, get it removed, yeah.
1:05:37That's, they all, I've pushed it the other way, and they go back and reconsider it, and it comes back that this is what it's got to be.
1:05:49He wants to make a statement.
1:05:54And they had the statement there.
1:05:56They went round again and then thought this was the right route.
1:06:02Good.
1:06:05One decision that we've got to make is to stop off place on the way to Canada.
1:06:12Well, I read it recently today.
1:06:18don't hit the poll on announce next monday i said fine okay question i stopped off the place
1:06:28If you rule out Ireland, which Henry says, we must rule out.
1:06:31Oh, it's a racist static.
1:06:33Holy hell, what a racist.
1:06:34I thought, well, yes.
1:06:35Henry says we cannot stop it.
1:06:36Why did he say that?
1:06:37See that more than, let me, I don't know.
1:06:40But he did.
1:06:41I raised it with you, but, you know, I raised it with Henry.
1:06:44Who, you did not.
1:06:44Yeah, I said, there's an Ireland problem.
1:06:47I don't see you talking about Ireland.
1:06:48Then Henry came back and said, remember I said Switzerland last year?
1:06:52Well, we're now back to Switzerland.
1:06:55And Henry buys Switzerland now.
1:06:56Good.
1:06:57Henry was pushing very hard for the Azores.
1:07:00But I talked him out of that on logistical grounds because... How far?
1:07:05Well, it's six hours flying time from the Azores to Moscow, plus a four-hour time differential, which means you have to get to Moscow at 4 in the afternoon.
1:07:14You'd have to leave at 6 in the morning, which means leaving at 5 a.m. No.
1:07:20From the Azores...
1:07:21which is 2 a.m. Washington time.
1:07:24Will the Swiss do it?
1:07:25He thinks so.
1:07:27He's back, you know, he gave all those objections about the Swiss before.
1:07:31Now he's turned around and says that's where it's going.
1:07:36So the choice in Switzerland is Zurich or Geneva, and on that basis it sure should be Zurich, not Geneva.
1:07:43I think that's because of airport facilities.
1:07:47I've never been to Zurich.
1:07:49I'd rather go there.
1:07:50I don't think you want to go to Geneva, because you guys do many of the harsh attacks all over the world.
1:07:55But it's all over there.
1:07:56There's a position tax there.
1:07:59Where's Zurich?
1:08:00Where do you say?
1:08:01Geneva has also a bad connotation.
1:08:06You know?
1:08:07Well, the UN, the United Offline, the League of Nations, the Geneva Conference, the Spirit of Geneva.
1:08:14I just don't kind of like Geneva, if you could.
1:08:17How about Mallorca?
1:08:19Well, the other possibilities are Spain.
1:08:25But that gets you into the protocol in Mallorca.
1:08:29I'm not sure that Spain is all that problem.
1:08:33Is there a Spanish base you could show you?
1:08:38Portugal, which is... How about New York that I respectfully suggest?
1:08:49Monaco is the other one, but I don't want to go there.
1:08:52Sounds better.
1:08:55I consider New York...
1:08:57The Rivendell?
1:08:59No.
1:08:59I know it's just beautiful.
1:09:01Mallorca, I know we stopped, I know it'll take a big plane, but if we'd have stopped in Mallorca, I don't mind the Spanish border, unless you're coming over.
1:09:10That's a hell of a lot of other names, but Mallorca, I don't think it would pose much of a problem.
1:09:19That's an hour further from Moscow than Switzerland.
1:09:24Mallorca makes a little difference.
1:09:28It's that far.
1:09:28Spain is, but I don't think we are, but if we are, we're just down sort of a, could be closer.
1:09:32That's Madrid.
1:09:33This is four hours down.
1:09:34Madrid, but I think we are just about a half.
1:09:37I think it's four, but that's not that much further.
1:09:39Zurich is only three hours.
1:09:44Well, maybe Zurich is better.
1:09:45I wish we could stop at some base or just sleep.
1:09:52Do we have any bases?
1:09:57Some basic metaphor I need to be realized.
1:10:15Well, check those.
1:10:21Get Bernie Walters.
1:10:27So this is Holloman, did you get Vernon Walters, General Walters for me on the count?
1:10:36Another thing I want to do before I go to Spain, I have to speak a little bit French up there.
1:10:43I'm going to have Walters say the words so I can get my...
1:10:52All right, what do you want to do?
1:10:53I might have to go to Camp David, if you know what I mean.
1:10:56I don't know if my mind is clear.
1:11:00All right.
1:11:01That's if we get the speech ready.
1:11:03What, maybe have it come up Thursday?
1:11:05You got it confirmed?
1:11:15Yes.
1:11:15I was afraid it turned you down.
1:11:20No, and they got a lot of good... Did he handle himself well?
1:11:25Apparently so.
1:11:26I don't think he had any trouble in the hearings.
1:11:30He got a lot of good, a lot of praise.
1:11:33Did he?
1:11:34Yeah, they made a lot of good positive statements about, you know, that he was a fine example of the skill of the professional soldier-diplomat or something.
1:11:46They didn't get into this, I don't know why.
1:11:48I'm going to use him on some conversations, incidentally.
1:11:57Conversations, even though they don't involve translation.
1:12:02Where I'm really private, because he's a guy that can sit there and listen to the conversation and make them know what happens.
1:12:12What do you think?
1:12:13No question.
1:12:15We talked to your editor about doing that.
1:12:17We have it anyway.
1:12:20But he won't mind that.
1:12:23So he's the translator.
1:12:27He'll make that place home.
1:12:29You know, you've got to hand one thing to Henry Kissinger, it's a similar kind of thing, because he drives us nuts sometimes, but he is a willing worker.
1:12:37He's been, like last night, he came over and spent 20 minutes reading Pavlovsky in the Suburban Inn today, and he just did it with great skill after I talked to him.
1:12:44He spent a lot of time on this Russian thing.
1:12:49Then he went over and spent an hour over those PWIs.
1:12:52Then he rushed over to the Kennedy Center to take his band to another performance there.
1:13:00Tom Fitch is up there.
1:13:02He's in here this morning, found and arrested.
1:13:05You know, that's a remarkable energy.
1:13:10But he has to do it.
1:13:14OK. Yeah.
1:13:15OK. Hi.
1:13:16Congratulations.
1:13:16You're legitimate now, huh?
1:13:20Oh, well, I think you'll pass that one all right, if you can get your hand up.
1:13:26We've got a logistic problem.
1:13:28Let me get your advice on the trip to Moscow.
1:13:32We've got to stop someplace on the way to spend a night and then to make the flight into Moscow.
1:13:37I'm trying to think of whether there was a US base somewhere in the Mediterranean or in the European area there that would be a suitable place to do that.
1:13:51Rota?
1:13:54Where is that?
1:13:54What part of Spain?
1:13:59There it is.
1:13:59Is there anything in Majorca?
1:14:02No base in Majorca.
1:14:14Let's just leave the account alone.
1:14:21with a base, I mean, with, you know, housing facilities.
1:14:25Yeah.
1:14:26But Rota would be the best, yeah.
1:14:34Yeah.
1:14:37Oh.
1:14:42It doesn't make it, other than just adequate flying weather, it doesn't matter because we get in there in the evening, spend the night, leave the next morning, so.
1:14:51Aples is a problem on housing.
1:14:54And I'll see you at the Italian screw-up.
1:14:57Yeah.
1:15:01Yeah.
1:15:03Yeah.
1:15:13Yeah.
1:15:18be down or else going into Switzerland or someplace and staying, you know, in commercial facilities.
1:15:25Which, yeah.
1:15:28Iceland's too far away.
1:15:32Just too long a flight into Moscow and then you've got all the time going against you.
1:15:36We've got to get into Moscow at 4 o'clock.
1:15:42So we've got to be
1:15:51Germany's a problem, too.
1:15:55Yeah.
1:15:59Well, the Azores is too far, too.
1:16:00That's the same problem.
1:16:02You're six hours out.
1:16:11That's only two hours from Spain.
1:16:16That's only two.
1:16:17Yeah.
1:16:25All of Europe is apparently only two hours off of Moscow.
1:16:30France, Switzerland, Austria.
1:16:35It'd be what, about four hours flying time, huh?
1:16:55One of the Spanish bases.
1:16:56Okay.
1:17:01Okay.
1:17:07Well, except that you have to meet with Montevideo, and then you're meeting with one of your allies on the way in.
1:17:13And then you're in the middle of the NATO problem.
1:17:17Okay.
1:17:18Thanks, Dick.
1:17:21What about better tried Syracuse, I guess?
1:17:23He says Rota and Spain is the best bet.
1:17:25Yeah.
1:17:27Yeah.
1:17:29Saragossa, there are three bases in Spain, Rota, Saragossa, and Seville.
1:17:34So there's something to be said for not stopping at a base, in a sense, because it's rather belligerent, you know, and those bases are for no purpose.
1:17:43i think i think the swiss thing feels would be the most if you could get it you didn't the sermon won't work i just think it might be better to say the market's a beautiful place sir it's a lousy goddamn city but that doesn't make any difference either well let me try that how will it be explored especially
1:18:11I don't think the Swiss will mind at all.
1:18:13Henry thinks they will.
1:18:14He doesn't think they'll mind.
1:18:16He thinks that they are very fussy about all, he says, you'll have to get clearance for everything you do.
1:18:24Well, Christ, we have to get clearance for everything we do in Toledo, Ohio.
1:18:26So what the hell are we going to do?
1:18:30No, but I mean, to put in a telephone or to land an airplane or to drive a car down the street or anything like that.
1:18:39We can, I'm sure that can be worked out.
1:18:41Now, Switzerland is, they deal with international.
1:18:43Switzerland's already done it.
1:18:45I think we ought to go in.
1:18:46It's a neutral country, which I think is a good feeling before going to Moscow.
1:18:50That's right.
1:18:51I knew the Irishman wouldn't go out.
1:18:52On the way back, oh, we're all sent.
1:18:54On the way back, there's Poland.
1:18:56And you go right ahead from Warsaw, Poland and Austria.
1:19:03But we should try to turn it on.
1:19:06But Lucerne, if we can do it.
1:19:08Otherwise, I just know Lucerne.
1:19:09I don't know Lucerne.
1:19:10Maybe that's the reason.
1:19:12I don't care.
1:19:13Lucerne is pretty unlike that.
1:19:14Of course, you won't get there at night and you'll leave early, early in the morning.
1:19:20So it doesn't really make you home.
1:19:21You aren't going to know where you are.
1:19:23Unless you want to go a day earlier and spend a day there.
1:19:28You've got a rough time thing going against you out here.
1:19:31You may want to...
1:19:35Spend a day working in Switzerland, and then a second night before you leave for Moscow.
1:19:40Well, how would you do it later?
1:19:44You'd leave here Saturday morning and arrive.
1:19:52You'd leave D.C. at, say, 9 o'clock in the morning.
1:19:55You'd arrive in Switzerland at 9, 30 at night.
1:19:57Got it.
1:20:00All right.
1:20:01You won't be able to go to bed very early because it'll last way, five hours time difference.
1:20:05Spend all day Sunday.
1:20:06Then spend Sunday there and Sunday night.
1:20:10And then you leave Monday morning.
1:20:16From Switzerland, you'd have to leave at about 11.
1:20:18Which means leaving the hotel at 10.30.
1:20:24See, if you do it the other way, you're not going to get very much sleep.
1:20:31since it's over a weekend i don't know maybe it's all right maybe maybe one day i don't like the views of the news moment in that period but better we have not we'll be preparing this and everybody we're saying we're going over this battery and i don't want them to think i'm sitting you know i don't like the idea that once we started we're sitting around resting we didn't have any of that impression why no i don't think you would hear i think you'll see you say what the hell i'm doing there
1:20:57We've made the point that you've got to adjust to the time change and that you've got work to do.
1:21:08I've got work to do.
1:21:10Conferring with Secretary Henry.
1:21:13If we're going to have the day, Lucerne or Geneva is also beautiful.
1:21:20That sort of location is pretty.
1:21:26I wouldn't mind showing it up.
1:21:28Leave it to the Swiss.
1:21:31Henry said we can do Austria.
1:21:35Yeah.
1:21:36That would be, well, Salzburg would be where I'd love to go.
1:21:40God damn, that would be great.
1:21:45Well, the point they make is it would be almost impossible not to meet the Chancellor of Christ team.
1:21:50Right.
1:21:52On the other hand, there is a substantive argument to visit Austria, which would look like a substantive visit.
1:22:02You've never been to Austria.
1:22:04That would defeat your rest stop idea.
1:22:06I mean, you'd be there for a visit to Austria.
1:22:08And that's really not so bad.
1:22:15Then you'd have covered another country on the way, Switzerland.
1:22:18Especially since you do not have to see a Swiss pastor anymore.
1:22:20Of course, Henry will argue that he shouldn't do another country.
1:22:23But Austria, there ain't nothing to talk to the Austrians about.
1:22:27I can see Kresge for a while.
1:22:30The Austrian ambassador is a great friend of ours.
1:22:32Yeah, he sure is.
1:22:46You've got, he's in a meeting, I just wanted to step out for a minute for a phone call.
1:22:52I'll tell you, I remember I suggested that to John.
1:22:56Have you ever been there?
1:22:58No, I've never been to any part of Salisbury.
1:23:00Oh, I could not be enough to say I want to go there.
1:23:04But if you could go there, Salisbury is just, Salisbury is just a lovely part.
1:23:11I'm going to see you.
1:23:15It's closer.
1:23:18It's a non-Natal country, which is just right.
1:23:26It is not.
1:23:28They're so slim in Switzerland.
1:23:29And that basically, well, it's a non-allied country.
1:23:32We have no alliance with Russia, with Austria.
1:23:33It's a neutral country, just like in Switzerland.
1:23:40I need to talk to you about it.
1:23:42I just feel that I'd like to do Salisbury.
1:23:51We were talking about the stopping point on the way to Russia, and he's raising again the question of whether Austria is a possibility.
1:24:06doing Salisbury, not Vienna.
1:24:09And doing that spending two nights, as we originally planned to do, and he'd see the chancellor for a visit, which would destroy the idea of a rest stop.
1:24:21In other words, it would just be a stop of a non-aligned nation on the way in.
1:24:38He's just wondering if that isn't better than trying to go into Switzerland.
1:24:41Just a second.
1:24:42Hello.
1:24:42I don't mind.
1:24:42Let me tell you what I have in mind.
1:24:46Just take a second.
1:24:48I don't like the feeling of a Spanish face.
1:24:51You know, and that's the problem with any place in Spain.
1:24:54I don't like the feeling of a face or any face kind of a thing.
1:24:58Switzerland is supposed to be the problem, and you're aware of that.
1:25:01I haven't thought of the question.
1:25:02Let me just make the case for us here.
1:25:06I have always had a very close relationship with the audience from a personal standpoint.
1:25:15The ambassador here is a great friend of mine.
1:25:18And also, it is a country which is not a lie to us or to the Russians.
1:25:23And the Russians are going to be put out.
1:25:26And rather than going to Vienna, go to Salzburg, which is a lovely town.
1:25:31And you've been there, of course.
1:25:36Well, we landed there in Constellation last time, so I don't know if they can take this, but the Salzburg Festival, all the later money they got to move in there.
1:25:45But if they haven't, but if it's, and I wouldn't mind seeing the Austrian thing, you know what I mean?
1:25:50What's an hour's conversation during the day?
1:25:53That's all, you know, have a little meat with it.
1:26:02Yeah, oh, there.
1:26:05Well, it means that they're all making their brokering money off of whatever they can reserve.
1:26:15Right.
1:26:17And they won't help you.
1:26:18And the options would.
1:26:24Right.
1:26:25Right.
1:26:29You don't mind our exploring of it?
1:26:31I'd like to, uh, the, the, uh, this ambassador here is, uh, you know, he's a fellow, a nice guy, you know.
1:26:39He was the ambassador to Washington in the Eisenhower period.
1:26:46I know him extremely well, and where I got to know him so well was in the Nigerian refugee period, you see.
1:26:51And I was there, and I spent over, over ten days in Austria.
1:26:58that they have the facilities, and their government would break their back, and the people would be friendly.
1:27:04The people will be friendly.
1:27:06That's another thing, you know.
1:27:07We have no problem there with friendly people, you know what I mean?
1:27:11The Austrians, they love Americans in Austria.
1:27:14They really do.
1:27:16Okay.
1:27:18Yeah, of course, I think we should see them, but just say we can only have an hour's meeting, you know.
1:27:24Courtesy calls, sure.
1:27:25That is no problem because that gives us a chance to spend the day.
1:27:29We do need the two nights for you to get ready for Moscow.
1:27:32Yeah, yeah, yeah.
1:27:35Press months off too hard.
1:27:36We want to be really up when we get in there.
1:27:39And Austria's very close to Moscow.
1:27:40It's the other vantage.
1:27:43Well, I'll have Bob check that out then.
1:27:46Yeah, yeah.
1:27:46And I don't really think the way to check it is to, rather than putting it, let's just, why don't we just have him check with Gruber.
1:27:53What's his name?
1:27:56How would be the way to do it?
1:28:08Well, if you put it in the state channels, it gets publicized right away, I suppose.
1:28:19Well, that's what I do.
1:28:20And there's no problem with the reference on that.
1:28:23No, they do this internationally.
1:28:26All right.
1:28:27Well, let's go forward.
1:28:28If you go forward, Rupert.
1:28:31Fine.
1:28:32Fine.
1:28:33Fine.
1:28:34Well, that's Rupert.
1:28:36He says it's fine.
1:28:37No problem.
1:28:37I know.
1:28:37It's been an hour of the chancellor.
1:28:42I should tell you.
1:28:48He's a chancellor by his own name.
1:28:50It's easier to do that than spend an hour with Mulcahy in Ireland and have to dodge him all the rest of the time.
1:28:55Well, I have an hour with Mulcahy and then you have the Irish man.
1:28:57You'd have to see the Prime Minister there.
1:28:59The Prime Minister would insist on an hour.
1:29:01If you go to Switzerland, you're going to have to see somebody.
1:29:04Austria means something in the world.
1:29:06Not as much as it used to, but it still means something.
1:29:09It's there and the Austrians are friendly to us.
1:29:13But Salzburg is a good stopover from the viewpoint of the people and the party and all that.
1:29:20It's a great place to be for a day.
1:29:28They give us a good welcome there.
1:29:32It's not bad, too.
1:29:33Scotland place, I'm pretty sure they're a good welcome.
1:29:35See, that's another disadvantage.
1:29:37Remember I told you about Ireland?
1:29:40I don't think we realize in this country what a hell of a stint that Northern Ireland thing has raised.
1:29:46You know, the Irish are a violent race.
1:29:48They always have been, it's obvious.
1:29:50And, well, how rough they were on them.
1:29:55That was the first time I remember that one guy that came up and threw himself in the car and broke my arm.
1:30:00Well, I can say that he really cracked.
1:30:03Those guys were terrible.
1:30:13We just have to lay it out very clearly that it's not an official visit.
1:30:30It's a layover.
1:30:31You'll see the chancellor, but...
1:30:34No lunch.
1:30:35No dinner.
1:30:36No dinner.
1:30:37That's the problem.
1:30:37That's the tragic boy then.
1:30:39No social events.
1:30:40And then once you go to the opera or something like that.
1:30:43It's a working stop.
1:30:43It's a working stop.
1:30:44Of course you'll see the Chancellor on Sunday after church.
1:30:47You have to go to church if you're an Austrian.
1:30:57Hell no.
1:30:58You want to go to church in Russia?
1:31:02No.
1:31:04That's one thing that came up is that going to a Baptist church there and going to a synagogue.
1:31:10And going to a synagogue.
1:31:11No, no, no.
1:31:12And no service.
1:31:13No.
1:31:14Well, that Baptist church is pulling.
1:31:16That's what I thought.
1:31:18And my view, Billy Graham and others will say not, but just a lot of women.
1:31:21It's just sort of a symbol for the people to show that Russia is not all that unfree.
1:31:28I just don't believe that.
1:31:30Or you go in there and find the church.
1:31:32Well, that's something that may be disappointing.
1:31:34The people of the United States isn't great.
1:31:36The President of the United States goes to church.
1:31:37He goes to the Christian church and grows his Christian even land.
1:31:41Well, they won't mind, possibly.
1:31:47I'll tell you what you do.
1:31:48Call Willie Graham.
1:31:50Don't ask for his advice and say, maybe we will not be in Moscow at that time.
1:32:01He'll be more, because he was pushing for you.
1:32:04There are a couple of churches in China, and he was pushing for you to go to church in China, which was not that decent at the time.
1:32:12He thought that would be a good symbol.
1:32:19Yeah, it's on the list of things that he suggested as a possibility.
1:32:27The other thing which I think we ought to do is the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier type thing, which is a way for you to get out into the city without having to make a speech to the Russians.
1:32:43Unknown soldier.
1:32:44Yeah, and without sightseeing.
1:32:46In other words, it's a formal ceremonial event, but it gets you into the streets, which it seems to me is a desirable thing to do.
1:32:54If something develops out of it, it's good.
1:32:56If it doesn't, it doesn't matter.
1:32:57You're doing it proper in the Russian spot with us, so it's proper for you to have it, provided they will have Russian veterans there in World War II.
1:33:04Not to say they should be in modern art, so I can sit down and speak to them and so forth.
1:33:08I'm sure the Germans would be asking, but that's all right.
1:33:15uh that i agree with i think uh i think the church is a good possibility if we lean toward it
1:33:24Why don't you just call Billy for a minute and say, I don't know whether we'll be in Moscow sometime, but what about this church, Billy?
1:33:31What do you fear?
1:33:33And do it better.
1:33:34We have to have the most discreet thing so that if we do do it, we can play it up.
1:33:39I think going to church could have great symbolism in the United States.
1:33:43We're doing everything for that purpose anyway.
1:33:45And they do everything for their purposes here.
1:33:49With regard to the Russian schedule,
1:33:57I will have to, of course, look over the events before you freeze them in, actually.
1:34:04I don't know.
1:34:05I'm not going to sell the President of the United States.
1:34:09The events party is going Monday.
1:34:10Oh, fine.
1:34:11And we're not locking anything until they get back.
1:34:17Well, they've locked the flyer in various places.
1:34:20Well, it works out pretty easily.
1:34:22If you run into Moscow,
1:34:24Monday afternoon, we have the banquet that night, the Russian banquet.
1:34:29Tuesday morning, you do the ceremonial calls.
1:34:33And then the first meeting, Tuesday afternoon, the first meeting.
1:34:38Tuesday night, probably the ballet.
1:34:41Wednesday morning is queer for official business.
1:34:47Wednesday afternoon is another meeting.
1:34:50Wednesday evening is open as a working evening.
1:34:52That'll be the night you have dinner with, right?
1:34:55Right.
1:34:57Thursday morning you leave for Leningrad.
1:34:59Thursday afternoon is sightseeing in Leningrad.
1:35:01Thursday night you'll have to do either a banquet or a cultural thing in Leningrad of some kind.
1:35:07Do another rally.
1:35:10Then Friday morning, we return to Moscow.
1:35:12Friday afternoon, another meeting.
1:35:14Friday night, we keep open.
1:35:18No scheduled event.
1:35:20Saturday morning, meeting.
1:35:22Saturday afternoon, maybe a communique or a meeting or something.
1:35:27And Saturday evening would be our reciprocal banquet.
1:35:30What have you done regarding the considerations on making the speech on Russian television coming?
1:35:35Sunday morning, you will go to turn to the Baptist Church if you go.
1:35:42And Sunday evening at 8 o'clock, you address the Russian nation.
1:35:48Do they agree to that?
1:35:49No.
1:35:50This is our .
1:35:51The advantage of that is 8 o'clock is the time they're going to lock for it.
1:35:58It's 1 o'clock.
1:35:59U.S. time.
1:36:01Sunday.
1:36:02Eastern.
1:36:03Now, you have a problem in that it's 11 o'clock Mountain Time, which is church time, but I don't think that matters at all.
1:36:10It's 10 o'clock Pacific Coast, which is before church.
1:36:13You think you'll get a good audience?
1:36:15Yes, sir.
1:36:15I think you'll get a hell of an audience.
1:36:16The problem is, it's the only time you're going to get a TV audience in the States is on Sunday.
1:36:20Are they going to have you there?
1:36:21That's what I did the other time.
1:36:24There won't be much television in the United States.
1:36:31I would wonder if they would want to try doing it simultaneous.
1:36:35Of course, then they can't hear you, and that's bad.
1:36:39They've got to hear my voice.
1:36:41They've got to go sentence by sentence.
1:36:43I just want them to be able to talk to each other.
1:36:46The idea is done.
1:36:47I think it is.
1:36:48I think it's fascinating as hell to America.
1:36:51If you, if anybody in the PR shop bothered to go back and read about my visit to Moscow.
1:36:57Yes, sir.
1:36:58Have they read Six Crises?
1:36:59Yes.
1:36:59The State Department accounts are totally inadequate, as you understand.
1:37:04Totally, totally, totally inadequate.
1:37:06So go back and read Six Crises and look at all the nuances and feel and so forth and so on.
1:37:10Could you do that?
1:37:11Sure.
1:37:11Have them read it.
1:37:14But anyway, the idea, that would be, you leave Sunday night as your last night.
1:37:18How about going on a press thing over there?
1:37:21Well, we thought about that possibility on Friday night, which is the other open evening.
1:37:27Was it possible press thing?
1:37:29We always do it.
1:37:29I think it would be good if we got a press thing done over there.
1:37:33Then Monday morning you leave for Baku, Monday afternoon you're, and evening you're in Baku, and then Tuesday you leave for Tehran.
1:37:43We get back here, right?
1:37:46Thursday.
1:37:47Thursday, Wednesday.
1:37:51The 7th.
1:37:54First again.
1:37:59Good.
1:37:59Good.
1:37:59I am willing to do a press thing over there.
1:38:03I think there is a time to sort of, you know, make our points with a few press people.
1:38:09Let me put it this way.
1:38:11We can't
1:38:13You can't just have the situation.
1:38:15It'll tear Henry up a bit.
1:38:18But where?
1:38:19Always on these foreign visits.
1:38:21Someone else is bespoke.
1:38:22Well, yes.
1:38:23Well, basically where Henry is or Roger is a conflict.
1:38:26Now, I ought to go out and ask you questions.
1:38:28I know, frankly, it's more than much about it.
1:38:31But at least I know the nuances better than some of the rest of them.
1:38:34And you're talking about a U.S. of all the
1:38:37plus Russian press.
1:38:38All the press that's got press, I'll stand there for an hour and answer questions and be translated into Russian.
1:38:46I think it should be that way.
1:38:55We can find the time to prepare it.
1:39:02We want to remember, we want to make as much use as we can
1:39:07Come back on the first what day of the week?
1:39:10Thursday.
1:39:12Let it ride through Friday, Saturday, Sunday, Monday.
1:39:18I think we ought to, have we explored the networks of 103?
1:39:20Yes.
1:39:20Do they want it or not?
1:39:24We haven't had a confirmation.
1:39:26They're very interested.
1:39:29Well, they raised the point.
1:39:30It's very interesting.
1:39:30They raised the point that they might have to grant equal, that equal time might apply.
1:39:35And Ron said, you're absolutely right.
1:39:37And if John Ashbrook goes to Moscow and meets with the Soviet leaders, I think you should give them equal time to report on it.
1:39:43This will be after the call morning, right?
1:39:45No, it'll be before.
1:39:46No.
1:39:47Just, well, it'd be right, I see.
1:39:49No, no, it's going to be right after.
1:39:51Yeah.
1:39:52So that's the problem.
1:39:53So that appeals to me.
1:39:54Well, no, it still can't be considered a convention.
1:39:57The equal time doesn't apply to the Democrats.
1:39:59It applies only to John Ashbrook and McCroskey, I guess.
1:40:04But Ron, I thought Ron put it right away.
1:40:06That's fine.
1:40:08I want to do this as quickly as I can after he returns so that it's still fresh in their minds.
1:40:14And I don't need to worry too much.
1:40:15I'll find out.
1:40:17So I've got Friday, Saturday, Sunday.
1:40:23Do it on Monday night?
1:40:25Uh, I think Tuesday night is better.
1:40:28Tuesday night.
1:40:28That's the California primary.
1:40:30I don't think you want to do it on...
1:40:32That's too big of news.
1:40:33Well... You don't... That looks bad.
1:40:36It's Monday night before the California primary.
1:40:38That's bad, too, I think.
1:40:39About Wednesday, I could call.
1:40:41Wednesday's fine.
1:40:42California primary could be big news for the Democrats.
1:40:45That's all right.
1:40:47and we come on at the uh you're not going for news thinking on that you're going for the people seeing no i don't that's right what's on people's minds on people's minds i don't think the primaries are that much on people's minds california even california i think wednesday night's a good night they've come on everybody that's the way to turn the thing away
1:41:11Turn it back to you running the world again instead of the Democrats.
1:41:14Well, he's in Colorado.
1:41:15He's got Knoll.
1:41:16He's got his freezer.
1:41:18Wednesday's the time I'll go.
1:41:20It'll be 3-0-1 on foreign policy in Canada.
1:41:23However, it must be foreign policy.
1:41:25He understands that.
1:41:26Absolutely.
1:41:27Or I'm not going to go into domestic policy.
1:41:29No, no.
1:41:29He's putting it as part of the coverage of the Soviet job.
1:41:32It's the wrap-up to the summit meeting.
1:41:35And he will not, except for a brief statement when he arrives at the airport,
1:41:40No, no, I had a brief statement.
1:41:42We don't come out here.
1:41:43We don't worry.
1:41:44Just like we did coming home from China.
1:41:46That was a good one.
1:41:46You should make that statement.
1:41:48Absolutely.
1:41:49We'll try to do that same thing.
1:41:52But then, I think you've got to do that.
1:41:54Yeah.
1:41:54You've got to write out the trip to the American audience.
1:41:56And then we'll sit there and say, what does it all mean?
1:42:00It's not just the Soviet trip, but it can be the foreign policy general question, correct?
1:42:05Or do you think we should look at the Soviet trip?
1:42:10Not too narrow.
1:42:11No.
1:42:12See, you may have the .
1:42:14We'll have things to say about the .
1:42:17Well, it's the wrap-up of the summit, and that's the interest that's going to be in the summits.
1:42:21It's going to be in this related to China and the whole concept of the...
1:42:25Right.
1:42:25I think this, in this case, we ought to go to this room.
1:42:28Yeah.
1:42:29You've got to be screwing around with the library and all that.
1:42:35Are you ready?
1:42:35Yeah.
1:42:36This room is mine.
1:42:46That being announced, you know, so it changed the place of the press conference very effectively.
1:42:51That's the press conference in June.
1:43:00I think they're in good shape on that.
1:43:01That's the boys.
1:43:02Go ahead and work them out.
1:43:04Pat said that one thing I was going to ask you, that she said she would talk to Rob, because I put her up for Rob.
1:43:12Connie, of course, wants him on the trip.
1:43:15Let me say that I see no objection to not taking, you know, you're taking Klein, and it might be just as well to have
1:43:58See if Connie will bother him.
1:44:00She won't bother him.
1:44:01Well, I want him to control the news, see.
1:44:04He's better than Connie.
1:44:05And he does it.
1:44:07And Pat has great confidence in Ron.
1:44:08You know, he's like a confidence, and that's good.
1:44:11What are you working on?
1:44:14That's what, now incidentally, despite Ron's concern about wanting five or seven, six or seven hundred, the Russians have said that they want a hundred.
1:44:27Not really.
1:44:27That's Henry's game.
1:44:30The Russians have said that the working period they were using was 100 because it was a little more than the China trip, but that they have no concern about that.
1:44:40They have asked Vorontsov and their press attache, have asked Ron and Chapin to meet with them tomorrow to discuss that whole thing.
1:44:54I think we can keep it that way.
1:44:56Why not make a few points with our own people?
1:44:59I know what he says.
1:45:00Well, we can let them ride the, you know, they get on the pools.
1:45:05Yeah, what do you think?
1:45:06That's the problem.
1:45:21But we'll figure it out.
1:45:23We'll figure it out.
1:45:24All right.
1:45:24He'll do that.
1:45:25All right.
1:45:26From now until the campaign, for Christ's sakes, we're conscious and concerned about our friends.
1:45:33Really?
1:45:34Absolutely.
1:45:37Indeed.
1:46:51You're going to meet with the Russians tomorrow on the press conference?
1:46:53Yes, sir.
1:46:54I know your view that it's all right to have four or five hundred people.
1:46:58No, I don't think so.
1:46:59But I feel very strongly that you can handle all of it.
1:47:01I feel very strongly that I should not press the Russians too much on this.
1:47:05I'd rather have now, I am currently leading for, you know, we're going to have to see this yourself, but I'm currently leading, for example, to have a press conference in Russia.
1:47:20If I had a press conference in Russia, I could do it a hell of a lot easier with two to three hundred.
1:47:26That would not just be for the Americans.
1:47:30I'd have all the Russian international press there, too, which I did before.
1:47:33Now, you talk about my vice presidential career.
1:47:35Apparently, the boys, none of them have gone back.
1:47:37We had six crises.
1:47:37We didn't have five hundred American press.
1:47:40We had about a hundred.
1:47:41I was vice president.
1:47:43And a hundred was just running.
1:47:45They all got a feeling of belonging to the thing, they all got a feeling of participation in the thing, and so forth and so on.
1:47:53My own view is that I'd like to have a leader, and the other thing is that I feel very, very strongly, and this is the one thing I, I think, two best things you've done on the China trip, where you got out of the Boston Globe at this stage, they are going to get out this time.
1:48:08They are not going to go on the trip to the St. Louis Post Office back, but the Globe never ran off.
1:48:14put the Buffalo evening news on, put the Dallas morning news on.
1:48:18Well, we've got to have some of our friends really know.
1:48:21And I don't need to do it, but just say, well, you can come in and also watch the president have a photo opportunity.
1:48:28You see what I'm getting at is that I think being a little bit more obvious in supporting our friends may be in our interest looking at the campaign.
1:48:36I understand.
1:48:37But I'm dividing different people.
1:48:39I'm dividing the right to president going on to a shift from the television to a
1:48:44Wire service, it's the communist government, he's got to go.
1:48:49The same true of the networks.
1:48:51In other words, no argument about it.
1:48:53The wire service, the networks, the radio, tell us what do you need and take the maximum on there so that we get out of it.
1:49:01But when you get down to the individual columnists, for example, I'm not going to invite John Osborne on this trip.
1:49:07I don't like this son of a bitch.
1:49:08He is not going to go.
1:49:11That's what I think about.
1:49:12Mr. President, I don't know what you're saying to them.
1:49:14I find, for example, that Henry and everybody who would have spent more time, like Mark in the News Center, John Osborne, he was cited, and that whole list, you prepared it twice, you prepared the list, all of them were together.
1:49:29Did you realize that?
1:49:31More time was spent with those two men.
1:49:34all of our friends ended up together and you know that's true about it it was just true it's true everybody in this shop now that's a mistake it's the mistake haggardy made with eisenhardt and now we're repeating it thank god you're not doing it the way he did he was always kissing the ass a few different times but i think what i want you to know is if i want to really i want to be very obnoxious to our enemies i want to be obnoxious to them
1:49:58And I don't think we gain a point by letting them, you know, saying, all right, fellas, you can kick us and slap us on one side and you can slap us on the other.
1:50:05And this will give you a golden opportunity.
1:50:07The Russians don't want more than 100.
1:50:09They really don't.
1:50:10Now, they'll take 200.
1:50:12They'll take 1,000 if we call them.
1:50:13But they ain't gonna want that.
1:50:15So why don't we keep one and say, fine, fellas, we'll take another.
1:50:18That gives you 25 more.
1:50:19Then if you have, I'd have a leeway.
1:50:22Well, look, if we have a leeway of 25 more in case we get asked to pressure them.
1:50:28Mr. President, I assure you, I think you are aware of that on how to deal with the enemies.
1:50:34And granted, the allowing in pools and special attention to our friends, and we will do that, is not as good as if you do have a limit of less sticking over your friends.
1:50:50But if you look at the entire situation in terms of our benefit and from the benefit of the whole trip in this point of time, and compare it with the previous trips that we have taken to Romania, Yugoslavia, Italy, France, and so forth, I think we lose substantially by attempting to limit and create the impression that the list is limited.
1:51:15We gain nothing.
1:51:16And I don't think the Soviets will have the guts, and this was implied to me last night by Joe Breiman, they will back off all the way back to Connecticut Avenue once they know that they have to put the limitations on wheat.
1:51:30I don't believe that wheat is- The Chinese have the guts.
1:51:34But the Chinese situation is different because we did not have relations with the Chinese for 22 years.
1:51:43I agree, too, that we should not take 500 or 600 or, indeed, even 300 of reporters long.
1:51:50But having an open list, we really don't have that.
1:51:56I think we're not working on it now.
1:51:57I think we've probably come out with probably somewhere, this is not the foreign press, about probably 70 reporters.
1:52:06That includes television, broadcast, and the religious people and everyone else.
1:52:11Because there aren't that many major publications in the United States anymore that can afford to go on a trip.
1:52:19I would like to eliminate New York City today, and indeed we did on the China trip.
1:52:23I'd like to eliminate the Boston Globe, and we did on the China trip.
1:52:26But I just think that from our interest this year, at this time, overall attitude amongst the press corps, not in the attitude of the Boston Globe, but the press corps,
1:52:40that we are going to be able to deal with them more firmly and from a position of strength by not weakening our hand, by giving them the ammunition to attack us on this.
1:52:54And as I said to Dobrynin last night, who was extremely concerned about this, Dobrynin, he picked this point up.
1:53:06He wanted to know
1:53:08He wanted to know about Romain.
1:53:09He wanted to know about Yugoslavia.
1:53:10He wanted to have some feeling from us as to how many would go along.
1:53:19That's my view, and I've expressed that to Bob, and I've written a memo on it.
1:53:26And that's the way I intended to pursue it with the Soviets tomorrow, in a realistic way, in a firm way.
1:53:40You see, I have no ability to do that.
1:53:42I mean, God, there can't be people who used to be ruthless with their critics.
1:53:49Roosevelt was ruthless with his press secretary.
1:53:52And all we do, when we have no friends in the press, or a damn few, we kiss our critics' ass.
1:54:00I just don't, it doesn't make sense to me.
1:54:04I don't see why, for example, when Benjamin Klein, Earl of London,
1:54:09Kissinger and the rest spend hours with an Oscar, or with a study.
1:54:13When they've got something out there, Evanderlyn, he's got more votes than either of those sons of bitches.
1:54:19Even that goddamn little Nashville paper.
1:54:22That's Tennessee.
1:54:24The same true of, I mean, he's not very bright, but he's a nice guy.
1:54:28Give him the time.
1:54:31Victor Lasky's coverage is much, but it's a hell of a lot more than John Osborne, but he influences others.
1:54:38Bullshit.
1:54:38I'm just tired of this crap.
1:54:40I learned talking to these guys that you don't influence.
1:54:44You walk home, you talk home, what do you do?
1:54:46And then the news summary takes a hey every week on what John Osborne says.
1:54:51I don't care what they say.
1:54:52I'm not interested.
1:54:54See, we're paying attention to our enemies and not to our friends.
1:54:57And some of our friends are complaining.
1:54:59They're goddamn right complaining.
1:55:01Vanderland does pretty well here.
1:55:06I agree that we don't.
1:55:07He does well.
1:55:08You do well.
1:55:09Let me say this.
1:55:11What about Nick Timish?
1:55:13Nick Timish, I see him.
1:55:14I know you do well.
1:55:16What about these other clowns on our staff?
1:55:18Well, we move them around as much as we can.
1:55:19Yeah, Timish, I think we do pretty well.
1:55:21We do better by Timish than we do by Vanderland.
1:55:23Because nobody's ever heard of that.
1:55:25But we do have a syndrome in this town, and no question about it.
1:55:28Well, I don't see the problem, just for Christ's sake.
1:55:31Your problem?
1:55:32I talk about it.
1:55:33The problem is with our stars.
1:55:35The problem is with Kessinger, Schultz, all those guys, because they want to talk to the important people.
1:55:44The bright people.
1:55:45I don't consider important bright people.
1:55:48God damn it, did you ever read a Churchill biography?
1:55:51They just kick their enemies in the ass.
1:55:53You get more respect for them.
1:55:55And I don't think that our press people, I mean, I think the way Edgar does it is wrong.
1:56:00Because he gives the impression that all the press are against Stahler.
1:56:03I don't give the impression that some are our friends.
1:56:07That's the only quarrel I have with Keogh's, but the way at least it's been played, is that when the whole press is against Stahler, Keogh didn't say that.
1:56:15About one-third or four.
1:56:16That's the press again distorting, they're proving Keogh's point.
1:56:20Nevertheless, I was glad that they paid attention to his book.
1:56:26I don't say this in defense, Mr. President, but we do.
1:56:30And I don't come in here and tell you about it, and I don't tell Bob about it, but we do treat people ruthlessly out there.
1:56:37And we hurt them where it really hurts them.
1:56:39When you get a Marty Schramm who doesn't even get close to my office for six months after that Moses thing, when Simple gets cut off and it's hurting when we talk about it.
1:56:50When the networks get cut off the way they do from time to time, it has not happened.
1:56:57The one thing you've got to do is to get Henry to play the game.
1:57:02He never will.
1:57:02He has to be very passionately desirous to show craft.
1:57:09Because he can't tolerate fools.
1:57:13I guess most of our friends are fools.
1:57:17Rowley Evans, Charles Roberts.
1:57:20He's dead.
1:57:21He died.
1:57:22Who?
1:57:23Robinson?
1:57:24No, he retired.
1:57:25He retired.
1:57:26He's still writing.
1:57:27He retired.
1:57:27You have the factor, but I'm mentioning any personality.
1:57:31You always have the factor, and this I assume will always exist, of an individual who is loyal and so forth, but cannot suppress his own personal ego and desire.
1:57:42It's not the desire and the fear of being disliked.
1:57:50by the press.
1:57:51Well, he likes to read himself in Roley Evans' column because he knows everybody else in town reads it.
1:57:56It's the same type of personality quirk that makes people go to lunch at Sans Souci, read Goshen, and stand around and have their cocktail, eat their veal all oiled up, and act like they know what's going on and therefore create leaks.
1:58:16It's a syndrome that I will never be able to understand.
1:58:18except it's a matter of selfishness.
1:58:22That's why, you know, you talk about the so-called Nixon court.
1:58:27I'm always so worried about that damn court until we get two more.
1:58:31And the reason is that out of our four, you can be sure at least one, and maybe two,
1:58:37will be wired to dine by these sun-bitching hostesses around here, and they'll be softened up.
1:58:42Look what happened to Potter Stewart.
1:58:43Potter Stewart, when he first came to the court, was a good, strong, Ohio conservative.
1:58:49He's now become a sloppy and sometimes drunk liberal.
1:58:53And he's a social one.
1:58:55And this catches at a depth.
1:58:57And Warren Burger is in danger of the same thing.
1:59:01Warren Burger loves attention.
1:59:03What they do to Warren Burger is false.
1:59:08They lose perspective of the country by getting wallowed up in this town.
1:59:13Nancy went on in her... Well, I don't see it now.
1:59:18Nancy went home to Kentucky in her... No, she was in Kentucky at a wedding.
1:59:30Her sister's husband, who was a telephone supervisor, and her father, and he was all right there.
1:59:35She said she arrived at their home, and their interest was not on escalating the war or anything.
1:59:42Their interest was on the firm handling of it, and not, as you said before, and that's what people were concerned about.
1:59:49Thank God we're not just sitting there letting them chew us up again.
1:59:55That's exactly right.
1:59:56The best thing.
1:59:58they probably don't even know there's a clunky steering wheel but i don't know how you tell you one of these all right we've been around you've got the message handle it any way you can and i i think that the week changing my arm my arm and i still like my plan if it could work if the soviet would take the heat then i limit to 100 and i pick our 100 they will not take the feet i can see that they want to be friends with the press and all the rest okay but
2:00:26Just do your very best to be sure that not one friend of ours is going to go on this trip.
2:00:31Not one friend.
2:00:33And do the best we can to find ways to get them on.
2:00:36Subsidize them if you can.
2:00:38Everything you can.
2:00:40We'll do that.
2:00:41Yes, sir.
2:00:42Matter of fact, absolutely.
2:00:44We can do it by Reader's Digest and things like that.
2:00:49Matter of fact, I'll tell you, I'd like to do that.
2:00:51There are a couple out there I'd like to do.
2:00:55Some of the smaller papers you can't afford?
2:00:57Well, like Bill White, they wouldn't send it to China.
2:01:00We can do it very easily.
2:01:01Well, have Bill White get that book to publish, which they ought to do.
2:01:07Get White in on that and make a little money.
2:01:09Get the television networks.
2:01:10Ways you can do it.
2:01:11I control the press airplane.
2:01:16If anybody does, if anybody decides to do a book, of course, they're...
2:01:24is their job to sell them because kites don't ever sell anything unless we help them or something.
2:01:31That's a flop.
2:01:32I think it's a flop.
2:01:34It'll sell the rest of the year.
2:01:37Is that what your plan is to try to push it up here?
2:01:40The point is, they want it, but I'll add a foreword for it this time.
2:01:47See, if we're not good in the U.S., that's the U.S. who's got to get the Sunday news.
2:01:54And that's what people were concerned about.
2:01:57Thank God we're not just sitting there letting them chew us up again.
2:02:02That's exactly the best thing.
2:02:05They probably don't even know there's a clunking steering wheel.
2:02:09But I don't know how to get to it.
2:02:10All right.
2:02:11We've been around.
2:02:12You've got the message.
2:02:13Handle it any way you can.
2:02:16And I think that we've changed my mind.
2:02:19I still like my plan.
2:02:21If it could work.
2:02:22If the Soviet would take the heat, then I limit it to 100 and I pick our 100.
2:02:26They will not take the heat.
2:02:27I can see that.
2:02:28They want to be friends with the press and all the rest.
2:02:30Okay.
2:02:31But, just do your very best to be sure that not one friend of ours is going to go on this trip.
2:02:39Not one friend.
2:02:40And do the best we can to find ways to get them on.
2:02:44Subsidize them if you can.
2:02:45Everything you can.
2:02:46We'll do that.
2:02:47We'll subsidize civil servants.
2:02:49Yes, sir.
2:02:50Matter of fact, I'll tell you, I'd like to do that with a couple out there.
2:02:56I'd like to do it.
2:03:02Some of the smaller papers you can't afford.
2:03:04Somebody like Bill White, they wouldn't send it to China.
2:03:07We can do it very easily.
2:03:09Have Bill White get that book to publish, which they ought to do.
2:03:15Get White in on that and make a little money.
2:03:17Get the television networks.
2:03:18The way we can do it, I control the press airplane.
2:03:21And the way you can do it, if anybody does, if anybody decides to do a book, of course they're
2:03:32is there a job to sell those kites on Arizona?
2:03:38That's a philosophy.
2:03:42It'll sell the rest of the year.
2:03:45Is that what your plan is to try to push it?
2:03:46The point is, they want to do it.
2:03:51I'll add a foreword for it this time.
2:03:55If we're not good in the US, that's going to be the best news piece.
2:03:57We've got to get to Sunday before we get back.
2:03:59After we get back, that's it.
2:04:02Sunday, after we get back, before they...
2:04:04The three-on-one out, Ron, we had definitely had to go for it on Wednesday.
2:04:11I wanted it as soon as we get back on Thursday night.
2:04:14And the three-on-one should go on Wednesday.
2:04:17That's the day after the California primary.
2:04:19And I want you to tell that person this will be basically a report to the nation.
2:04:27And they've been covered by many in the field of foreign policy.
2:04:31Many.
2:04:36they're calling they're really funny they know we got them between a rock and a hard place they said is this is this a request i said we just choose this communication form that you know
2:04:58They said, well, there'll be a press conference.
2:05:00People said, no, this would be the way through your channel.
2:05:03Why give them the interview to the New York Times or somebody else?
2:05:09They said, well, what about the 315 thing?
2:05:10We may have to give it to Ashbrook.
2:05:12I said, well, fine.
2:05:13If you can get Ashbrook to report to the American people on the summit conference he's had over in the Soviet Union, fine.
2:05:19Go ahead and do it.
2:05:20But this is the course.
2:05:22So they're back considering it again.
2:05:24And I think they're going to have to come through.
2:05:28What about doing it with, and this is a bad idea, but maybe it's not, doing it with three writing presses instead of three handwritten people?
2:05:37Then you'd really have, they wouldn't care with that question.
2:05:40I wonder.
2:05:42They only carry it with their own stars around.
2:05:45See, we've approached them with this before.
2:05:46They will have nothing to do with it.
2:05:49We've tried having to even televise a conference with a writing press.
2:05:55We'll have a chance.
2:05:56And if they decided not to do it, that's fine.
2:05:59We'll just do a press conference.
2:06:01But limited to foreign policy.
2:06:03This time, yeah, this time, we'll say an hour's press conference on Florida policy on Wednesday.
2:06:08That's going to be our, if they say we'll find policy, we're just going to have an hour's press conference.
2:06:15Prime time.
2:06:15Don't you agree?
2:06:16Yes, sir.
2:06:16On Florida policy.
2:06:17That's 9 o'clock.
2:06:18Don't come back.
2:06:199 o'clock.
2:06:20Don't come back.
2:06:20Absolutely.
2:06:21Don't come back with it on this time on domestic policy and all the rest.
2:06:24This will be on Florida policy, the Suns, and so forth.
2:06:27Press conference.
2:06:289 o'clock.
2:06:29One hour.
2:06:30Fair enough.
2:06:33I think by this time, you see, that's as soon as I can get ready.
2:06:38We'll be back Thursday night.
2:06:38I think I've reached a statement there.
2:06:40I need a couple of days off.
2:06:43So I'll take off Friday, Saturday, and Sunday.
2:06:46Then I'll be back here Monday.
2:06:48Tuesday, I'll be back Wednesday.
2:06:50We can't do it Monday night because it's for the government and the primary.
2:06:53We don't want to do it Tuesday night because we'll all be talking about it.
2:06:56Wednesday's just about running.
2:06:57Fair enough, sir.
2:07:01Would it be better?
2:07:02No, we don't want to go before the California primary.
2:07:04I was going to say, we could really pour the coal and probably do it Sunday night.
2:07:14That'd be a better thing to do.
2:07:16We should get back Thursday night.
2:07:20And then on, I could just, I mean, I've been in the swim things anyway.
2:07:25i'm not i'm not i'm you're better off then what happens is you do that that ends the russian trip and then you get the california army intentions back to your loss let it swing to the california primary over that weekend which is our advantage then get it back on wednesday night all right
2:08:03You know, to show you, though, that ever I broke with Cameron, well, when Hardin's been weak, but to show you what you can do with making a Hardin's event, using that nothing for an event yesterday and for making a little signal about the Russians.
2:08:25That may all free networks, isn't it?
2:08:26Yes, sir.
2:08:28Absolutely.
2:08:28Did they use that part?
2:08:30Did they use any of the biological weapons?
2:08:35Just the part about the threat.
2:08:37Indirect or direct assistance.
2:08:40It looked all right.
2:08:43As a matter of fact, it looked good.
2:08:46You looked very good sitting there.
2:08:50I don't suggest you do this, but in that setting, they had the overall flags and this very dramatic, real strong diplomatic setting.
2:08:58You were sitting there.
2:09:01And in a very low-key, poised, but yet strong way, not, you know, high-pitched at all, made the point.
2:09:11And they sure didn't pick me.
2:09:12Every one of them used the same quote.
2:09:14The wires missed it on the first run.
2:09:17The wires picked me back up.
2:09:19And then they pan over to the bridge.
2:09:22I'm telling you, those Soviets sure did slobber last night.
2:09:35Correct.
2:09:36I didn't even write that.
2:09:37What was this?
2:09:38Well, it was the Soviet wife, the editor of Soviet Wife.
2:09:41Oh, good.
2:09:42Is lately going to do with this company.
2:09:44Good.
2:09:45Well, the Soviet, they'll work with Tom very hard.
2:09:50Oh, I'm sure they'll get that.
2:09:51Now, I was fed up with Henry House back.
2:09:53That was fairly late.
2:09:55Sure.
2:09:55Hold on, hold on, hold on.
2:09:57Well, Mrs. Nixon, I should be put up.
2:10:01Did you know she's leading that committee?
2:10:11Ask Henry in his article to put it out.
2:10:12Well, it's going to get out.
2:10:13The Russians will put it out, so I think you'd better...
2:10:16There, this is next to Senator Tebow.
2:10:17This is to bring him to go over some of the details of the Soviet trip.
2:10:21You know, this confuses our enemies with the press, but the hell won't have it.
2:10:25You see, you've got this.
2:10:27You've got the Rolly Evanses and the Joe Crafts in a very Machiavellian way, trying to say that Nixon has been soft on the Russians.
2:10:37which of course is ridiculous.
2:10:39They don't know what we've been doing.
2:10:40And second,
2:10:41and the crab find that maybe we really ought to postpone the Russian summit.
2:10:45He's hoping for Christ that we don't have it.
2:10:47On the other hand, what they don't know is that the Russians want the summit for other reasons, and either the crab or early editors will never understand.
2:10:56They don't want the summit because they like us.
2:10:58They want the summit because they fear the hell out of us.
2:11:01What we can do to them with regard to China, what we can do with them with regard to the Middle East, and also that we can turn off the German treaty, which is the big thing.
2:11:10That's the cool being here.
2:11:12They sure did.
2:11:13It's a game where if that thing today is in Nevada.
2:11:16Bill Breeden, I'll tell you, sure did want that summit last night.
2:11:19I mean, just his attitude.
2:11:21I want that never to be named, but if Roy was from Moscow today, he'd go turn right around.
2:11:26But nevertheless, he knew, he knew what I was saying, Mr. David.
2:11:30And incidentally, he was a diplomat, so that's what...
2:11:33Bill, Bill Jenner had come marching to the meetings back in 1947, 48, and he answered them on the march, and I said, well, here comes the bread line.
2:11:45That's good.
2:11:51Well, we'll have a Russian trip, except for the mystery of it.
2:11:58will be a hell of a lot better trip than the China trip.
2:12:00For the reason that they know how to handle it more, and the Russians will break their butts to get you out of it, and you'll see people.
2:12:08We didn't see any Chinese people.
2:12:09Yeah, you'll see Russian people.
2:12:11Don't worry.
2:12:12They'll let you go to the Department of Service, and the rest of those damn Russkies will be out, and they have some more feeling as to who the hell we are.
2:12:22So it's going to be interesting.
2:12:25we have to make your private information in case it breaks you're going to discuss with the austrians the bus will stop in salzburg on the way in that's distinguished from the irish stuff that'll be a hell of a good stop i will now have a substantive meeting of the austrian chancellor right there and then we'll have uh
2:12:49Oh, another way you can handle this, which you might mention, I'm hungry, but I wanted to express appreciation to the Austrian government for the way that they have hosted, have helped host the SALT conferences, you see what I mean?
2:13:03So even the SALT conferences in Vienna, which we, of course, will be discussing, and coming back, you're going to have the situation, you see,
2:13:16You go to Leningrad, which is very different from Moscow, Baku, which is totally different from Peter, and then you go to Tehran, which is a great crowd and the splendor of majesty, and then to Poland, where, if Poland holds, we won't know next, I mean, we think it'll hold, but if the Polish thing goes on, they'll have hell of a time controlling their people, knowing the polls.
2:13:41And so, I mean, the crowd in here, particularly at this point, will have a much more dramatic effect.
2:13:48Because we didn't have any crowds in China.
2:13:50It was just right.
2:13:52It was marvelous.
2:13:53You know, the China thing had mystery and all of the drama to it.
2:13:57But this has an equal amount of drama to it.
2:14:01Sure it does.
2:14:02Because, you know, in a totally different way.
2:14:07I don't know, but I must say...
2:14:08The world may be talking about the Soviet trip in the same terms as they'll be talking about...
2:14:13It's a bi-polar world of changes.
2:14:17Be sure that any of our own people, people in the press, really want to know in order to get the background, read the sex crisis description of my 1959 trip, because...
2:14:32He describes everything, what it was like then and the rest.
2:14:35Also, it has my speech to the Russian people that I've been told was received by the Congress.
2:14:42Someone was saddened looking at it because they told you about that.
2:14:46They had filled it with something.
2:14:47I was looking at the film.
2:14:48Now the kitchen had made something.
2:14:51He said it was really perverse.
2:14:52They were standing back at that.
2:14:54As a matter of fact, I didn't see the .
2:14:56Anyway, you can .
2:14:58All right.
2:15:01He's probably right.
2:15:23We have no way of fighting the press in my opinion.
2:15:32No way.
2:15:32Man, except the way he's doing it.
2:15:34Except for the one, and I'll keep grinding on that one, that there is no, that they're just dead wrong on John Osborne.
2:15:40I'm talking about bringing fines to waste time with John Osborne.
2:15:44Can you get that across?
2:15:45Ron did not say anything.
2:15:47react to that.
2:15:48I don't even want Sidney to be seen, but why Osborne at all?
2:15:55Sidney, there is at least a valid argument for seeing him in that he does have some relationship, but Osborne doesn't even have that.
2:17:01If you've got a chance, take a look at that.
2:17:05That was there.
2:17:06Oh, you were there.
2:17:14I heard it.
2:17:17You might read it.
2:17:21You might get a speech test or something like that.
2:17:29Well, they all we really don't worry about that much.
2:17:30Of course, the greatest problem would be making the dynamic speech.
2:17:57Has somebody talked to Crowell, or should I write him a little note?
2:18:02Cashin has talked to him.
2:18:03There's been a guy dealing with him.
2:18:05So he's totally out of control, and that's why we can't contact him?
2:18:09I don't think he should write a note.
2:18:10I think it's better not to.
2:18:12Well, no, I just wanted to thank you for your support.
2:18:15We'll send a presidential message to the dinner.
2:18:17Yeah, I can thank you for your great good thing.
2:18:19I'm sorry I can't be present at each dinner.
2:18:23I wish I could be here to honor and look forward to seeing you before I leave for my trip to Russia.
2:18:27Why don't you have some tea, then I'll burn it up like that and brew it till the end.
2:18:32How much do I appreciate it when you enter into production?
2:18:34Thank you.
2:18:36I shall always remember that.
2:18:39Wonderful reception you've received.
2:18:41My interception.
2:18:45I'm not able to come to Philadelphia on Sunday.
2:18:58Is that an appropriate passage for you to read?
2:19:03I look forward to having this with you before I leave for Russia.
2:19:09Do you want to say that?
2:19:10You don't want to say it again, do you?
2:19:12Yes, I do.
2:19:13Well, the hell is, if I go to Poland, I'm kind of... Oh, I see.
2:19:16Sure.
2:19:16Good job.
2:19:17Before I go to Russia, and particularly to discuss the...
2:19:36The final agreement has not yet been reached for the entity.
2:19:43It seems this, at this time,
2:20:04It's very likely, it seems quite likely that in a week, a moment can also be made.
2:20:43You know, it's quite true, Bob, that the media is ignoring it, aren't they?
2:20:49Or is trying to, except for the trip to Campbell, or Campbell, which they thought was going to hurt him.
2:20:55Well, they didn't give us the irony when you were playing.
2:20:57Oh, yeah, they did.
2:20:59Because he hit the ball there.
2:20:59I didn't see it.
2:21:00I'm sorry.
2:21:00I was surprised they gave him more of a play than I thought they would.
2:21:07It was not a front-page play.
2:21:08It wasn't a front-page short.
2:21:09It was a big, insubstantial play.
2:21:16Well, I don't know, because there was only one network on Saturday night.
2:21:22They did carry it.
2:21:23Right.
2:21:23The CBS was on and they had it.
2:21:26Right, right, right.
2:21:26Okay, good.
2:21:27I take it back.
2:21:28All right.
2:21:29It was a fairly major Sunday picture story.
2:23:13time she was going to do the Mike Douglas show, go to the tennis matches, go to the space job that's good.
2:23:21Space job is good because that's a big television show.
2:23:25That's about 1 o'clock on Sunday afternoon, so there'll be a hell of an audience.
2:23:31She's running.
2:23:31She's, I don't mean tennis, ping pong actually.
2:23:34Ping pong, yes.
2:23:36I told her I wasn't so sure about that because it's basically the tennis crowd here on the 11th wing.
2:23:42And for the most part, sort of a gay crowd.
2:23:45They never read French.
2:23:46She said that the worst time that she and Julie ever had was when she and Julie, they went over to some goddamn tennis match and the crowd was cold as ice.
2:24:04You gotta expect that.
2:24:05Isn't that interesting that the tennis crowd generally is left wing, tends to be homosexual,
2:24:12Or do they go back to the total days or ?
2:24:17Well, it's kind of like the opera.
2:24:19It's sort of like operas enter the theater.
2:24:22It's the social sport to go to.
2:24:25It's not the masses.
2:24:27Tennis stadiums are small stadiums.
2:24:29You buy boxes, and you buy the season box for the tournament.
2:24:33And everybody goes to be seen there, like they go to the opera.
2:24:36That would be the problem.
2:24:41Yeah, they wore fancy hats.
2:24:42I think it's all right for her.
2:24:46She was like, I don't care about the factory.
2:24:47It's a television show anyway.
2:24:48We'll just be there watching matches.
2:24:53What do you think?
2:24:58Apparently it's worked out with this factory that she didn't want to go to the goddamn thing.
2:25:05It's a...
2:25:07It may not be.
2:25:08It's good television.
2:25:08That's the only reason.
2:25:09It's a way to hit it.
2:25:10It's the TV.
2:25:11They're coming in here to the office.
2:25:16Is that the way you're trying to be here?
2:25:29No, I can pick on them.
2:25:32I thought you said we couldn't do that.
2:25:34We can't do it out on the court, but I think they're going to do one on the inside or something.
2:25:37And there's no point with me doing it on the court.
2:25:44I'm going to find out that my intern is fine.
2:25:47Try to work it out with them too.
2:29:18Well, I didn't even... heard it.
2:29:21Just got to... see this, uh... Vietnam thing through now, as we said yesterday.
2:29:29To the end.
2:29:32Three, four weeks.
2:29:34And then people went, that's what happens.
2:29:38It's pretty huge.
2:29:43The political ones are having, I think, they're going to have a hell of a time jumping on this one with effectiveness.
2:29:54I mean, they're going to be leery of it for fear that it might work, for fear.
2:30:00Other than Terry, who follows the strategy always of going all out and way beyond anybody else.
2:30:06Nobody really, they're very cautious.
2:30:14I'm referring to them.
2:30:17They're having their problems with this.
2:30:23Yeah, and you've got the, oddly enough, because it's a strange place for it to have come from, but Oberdorfer's book on Tet, which is the definitive work among the intelligentsia, which, it makes the point that Tet was a massive victory for us.
2:30:42gives them all pause, because they don't know what, you know, they, they keep talking.
2:30:49They didn't, the enemy failed.
2:30:52Enormous losses.
2:30:53And now they're starting to point out the differences between this and Tepp, where this is, in Tepp, the enemy was largely South Vietnamese.
2:31:09B.C.
2:31:09is in South Vietnamese defectors, where now the enemy is all North Vietnamese, virtually.
2:31:16There's damn few South Vietnamese involved on the other side.
2:31:25And now you've got this thing which they're playing, which is amazing, that the Buddhists are supporting the Thieu government, which is kind of a switch.
2:31:36People are sort of rallying to the National College, and I saw some of them.
2:31:44It's at least got them cautious.
2:31:45They're not quite sure that they can go running, running out and say this is a terrible disaster, because they're not sure whether it is or not.
2:31:54They're sure they'll jump on any indication they've got that it is, because they're so sure.
2:31:57And they will come.
2:31:59There will be days that are bad, days that are good.
2:32:04So you're writing through that score.
2:32:06You've written through other things, so we'll write this.
2:32:08Right now, you're writing two.
2:32:11I'm still at that point.
2:32:11Oh, you haven't updated it yet?
2:32:12Well, that may not matter.
2:32:14You know what I mean?
2:32:15The thing is,
2:32:16Not everybody's got to understand that in this, there are battles won and battles lost.
2:32:20When the battle's lost, you don't figure the war's lost.
2:32:23You figure, well, what's tomorrow going to be?
2:32:25Maybe tomorrow we win one.
2:32:27The other side scores a touchdown, then you score one.
2:32:29That's the way the game goes.
2:32:30But when a battle's won, you can't just heed the sign and say, thank God that took care of the war.
2:32:34It is true.
2:32:35They've just got to be ready for it.
2:32:37Keep hitting them.
2:32:38Keep hitting them.
2:32:39I'm sorry we took the orders today to follow up on the I-card.
2:32:42The goddamn weather is still in the blue today.
2:32:46Yeah.
2:32:47But one day, it's just, you know, just like this weather here.
2:32:51It's just as unusual this time of year, but it just hangs in.
2:32:55But one day it breaks.
2:33:03You've got the symbolism, at least, to put the B-52s up there.
2:33:05Don't you think that's good?
2:33:07Damn right.
2:33:09And those, the Navy out there, I do think that's having some effect.
2:33:13Must be having an enormous effect on them.
2:33:16And it's having some effect in the, well, certainly the thing here.
2:33:19To the extent that any hawks, and the Navy's pretty good at finding those hawks common out there.
2:33:24You know, we've always found that maybe 15 to 20 of them still can be hawkish.
2:33:28It gives them enormous heart.
2:33:30They've got to have material.
2:33:32And it gives pause in the Douglas.
2:33:34They don't know what the hell's going to happen.
2:33:38The middle is always playing winners.
2:33:41That's the way it works.
2:33:43So he laid them all.
2:33:43That's the way it's going to do.
2:33:45And we're sticking to them.
2:33:49We're certainly not reacting weakly.
2:33:51That's the whole point.
2:33:52I think that's getting through in everything we're saying.
2:34:00I'll then talk to both.
2:34:01Again, it's very minor and full of each other, but we...
2:34:04clearly very much intended in Minnesota and UCLA.
2:34:09I talked to both of them.
2:34:10I said, we talked for quite a while.
2:34:13I just waited to see whether they were going to raise something.
2:34:15And they didn't.
2:34:16So then I said, well, what about the war?
2:34:19Is everybody upset about that?
2:34:22No.
2:34:23I said, well, aren't they starting to organize marches and things?
2:34:26No.
2:34:27Well, doesn't everybody think China's going to come in against us or some horrible catastrophe is going to happen?
2:34:32No.
2:34:33Aren't they upset that we're bombing the North?
2:34:35Didn't know you were bombing the North.
2:34:44They both said that just there isn't even a ripple on either campus.
2:34:48That's a ripple.
2:34:50Now, that's straight up.
2:34:51See, there was a March scheduled, as you probably know, for that.
2:34:54There was an anti-war March scheduled for, I think it was April 22nd, somewhere, in the next couple weeks.
2:35:01It's been scheduled for a couple months.
2:35:04And I'm not at all sure that that timing wasn't...
2:35:09Could have been.
2:35:11Totally coordinated with the North Vietnam Navy.
2:35:13Could have been.
2:35:14And I would guess that it was, because they are always very much involved.
2:35:19This time, maybe we better say that.
2:35:21I mean, maybe we better... We did this.
2:35:23We did November 3rd, and we're starting to say it on this one.
2:35:26I think that's...
2:35:27But maybe... Well, I want to be careful, because as of now, the march isn't getting any steam up, and I don't want to build it up.
2:35:32Yeah, I see.
2:35:33We've got to be ready.
2:35:34This is the 11th.
2:35:35It's got 11 days to go.
2:35:37Yeah, but they aren't...
2:35:38It's a national march.
2:35:40They're having big signs out about, you know, they're supposed to march from all different places, but there has been, they had a preliminary thing only for something like 25 people showed up for it, and they were expecting 5,000.
2:35:52And we're here.
2:35:54No, it was someplace else.
2:35:56Chicago or someplace where they were getting a mobilization meeting or something.
2:36:01And it didn't work out.
2:36:03Well, certainly you would think the war actually would sure help.
2:36:05I'm not so sure.
2:36:06I don't know if there would actually be any different reality than anything before.
2:36:10I mean, leading up to the invasion, right?
2:36:13But the war is, in my book of mine, is eight to ten minutes every night on the network.
2:36:17It's a devil.
2:36:19I'm sure you realize.
2:36:20I'd rather have the war eight to ten minutes a night than TNT every ten minutes.
2:36:25Wouldn't you?
2:36:25Yeah.
2:36:27Or food prices .
2:36:29Or which, I don't know.
2:36:30No, I would.
2:36:30I think the war is buying us some time now.
2:36:32And if, first place, you don't have any option.
2:36:35You've got to .
2:36:36Second place, it's not all bad by any means.
2:36:40Third place, there aren't enough Americans.
2:36:42And if you do have that, somebody raised that question at the POW, which is a stupid thing for one of our people to say, but you would have one hell of a problem if the South Vietnamese announced that
2:36:55Every day that you sent bombers across the DMZ to shoot a POW in the square, you'd have to come up with a deal with them.
2:37:06Blockade the command place.
2:37:08That would have to be all over.
2:37:12Move tighter, yeah.
2:37:13I'd go for the blockade and the...
2:37:17In my ignorance, that's the one thing I don't understand is why we don't go for the blockade anyway.
2:37:21It just seems to be a confrontation with the Russians.
2:37:25Well, you know what I mean?
2:37:26That puts it to the Russians in a way that what the hell do they do?
2:37:29They've got to say, well, you're going to stop Russian ships.
2:37:34That's really what it is.
2:37:35All they're doing is destroying them.
2:37:37But you said yes.
2:37:38Yeah, well, you might blow the... Stop.
2:37:43They might go for mining instead of...
2:37:45Same for Russian ships.
2:37:47If you blow up Russia, sure.
2:37:48But anyway, they do it by their act.
2:37:50Mining is their main overt action.
2:37:55We have a very much in mind as an option.
2:37:58It may come the next week.
2:38:00Well, that's the thing.
2:38:01You've got the Russians in a crunch on it because it puts, you know, as long as they think you're going to do it, they've got to have a way about it.
2:38:11Whatever, just to the extent that we can do it without short on the one side, and on the other side, American ground forces, everything is necessary.
2:38:22Well, your thing yesterday was, I think, a super big step in putting that in focus, too.
2:38:30that the Russians made a warning without being belligerent, which was very important, and used in marvelous form for doing the biological security for a certain thing.
2:38:42After everybody had a crockery, they were being gushed about peace.
2:38:46I didn't want them to be gushed about you, which is... That's good.
2:39:02When will John be able to be here?
2:39:04I said right away.
2:39:06He's ready to move the middle foot.
2:39:12Step into it.
2:39:15Food prices.
2:39:16Cry.
2:39:18Anytime you see anything like that, shoot a note to him just as you did.
2:39:24You know, just cry.
2:39:26In other words, I'll do it to him.
2:39:28And then he gets to work on...
2:39:33And we'll work with him on the backup.
2:39:36Like you said, you apparently now wanted to work on playing with other people.
2:39:42Gee, I just don't know.
2:39:44How good I am at that.
2:39:45So you didn't have in mind deciding whether some undersecretary should give the speech or not.
2:39:51What you had in mind was the overall guidance of what they were going to be saying.
2:39:57I will work on the schedule.
2:39:59He doesn't have to get into it.
2:40:00Oh, yeah.
2:40:00And then they get together and charge him.
2:40:03I'm not going to say lucky ball about speeches.
2:40:07Having the conference of not 300, but maybe 25, 30 of our best speakers, and they come over here and say, Mitchell did that this morning.
2:40:14He said, you have a great being here of getting your service.
2:40:18Mitchell, we've got a lot of good service, a lot of good speakers out, but they need to be charged.
2:40:23They need to know what, they need to be told what to say.
2:40:26It isn't just giving them speech material on one piece of paper.
2:40:30And I think that's .
2:40:31He could do that.
2:40:32He could have a weekly meeting where he calls in the 20 on the .
2:40:36And fires them up.
2:40:38And takes the four big issues.
2:40:42Let's hit these as much as possible, OK?
2:40:45And what about Henry's thing?
2:40:47Now, Henry will do that, of course.
2:40:51Henry can go in and hit him on his thing, too.
2:40:54But he doesn't need to do it once a week.
2:40:56He can go in and do it.
2:40:58every couple weeks, maybe, at the same meeting.
2:41:00But the domestic issue is really, but he's not gonna take the initiative on it.
2:41:04They don't have a section, because you've got to do that personally.
2:41:08And, and, and Mitchell says they need that, do they?
2:41:10They won't.
2:41:11We don't have any leaders, no self-spiders, no guys who would go out and be smart enough, and they're not sure enough of themselves.
2:41:17See, that's the advantage of Ehrlichman.
2:41:19Ehrlichman has the inner assurance that he knows what to say.
2:41:23He knows what things to attack on, what things to avoid.
2:41:25The other people are a little unsure of themselves, and so they tend to be safe.
2:41:30Ehrlichman doesn't worry about being safe.
2:41:32And what we've got to do is encourage these people to make some mistakes.
2:41:37But don't make them say it.
2:41:38Go too far on a few things.
2:41:41And make moves.
2:41:42Now, I don't, I want them all to know that we're not going to hold them responsible for anything like that.
2:41:46Get out there and slug a little.
2:41:47Yes, sir.
2:41:48We may have to back away from some of the things that have been said.
2:41:51Yeah, that's right.
2:41:52But we've got to wish we had a few things to back away from.
2:41:56Good.
2:41:57Well, you go ahead.
2:41:58Yeah.
2:41:59That's what I had in mind as leadership.
2:42:01I'd get a man and I'd say, but...
2:42:08We've got a good story to tell right now.
2:42:17Wholesale prices are down, so that means prices are going to get better.
2:42:21Stores are beginning to come down.
2:42:23And the President is taking leadership on this thing.
2:42:27And the Price Board and Conlane are taking leadership on it.
2:42:31But where is the follow-through?
2:42:33Isn't that the problem in our food prices?
2:42:36Has anybody said anything since commenting about the problem?
2:42:38You haven't done none.
2:42:40That's my problem.
2:42:42You ought to have a real symphony there.
2:42:47Maybe that's it.
2:42:49Drugs, can we follow up?
2:42:50Are we going to follow up on the hotline?
2:42:58Give that another shot.
2:42:59There I realize.
2:43:01They want me to make that speech.
2:43:02You still think that's an ordinary issue?
2:43:04Yeah.
2:43:06They're working on a speech now, aren't they?
2:43:08Yeah.
2:43:08Well, John can help us on that.
2:43:09Yeah.
2:43:10We're going to be up in ten minutes.
2:43:11Ten minutes, that'll hit the line.
2:43:13Again.
2:43:21Yeah.
2:43:26That's drugs and crime.
2:43:29And prices.
2:43:37Bussing.
2:43:38Bussing.
2:43:42Crime.
2:43:43Drugs.
2:43:48Crime.
2:43:49Bussing.
2:43:50What?
2:43:50Drugs.
2:43:50Drugs and crime.
2:43:51Bussing.
2:43:52Bussing is another issue.
2:43:53Bussing.
2:43:54Prices, inflation.
2:43:56Got it.
2:43:57Labor readers, the whole pie in there.
2:43:59Right.
2:44:00So then you're men of peace.
2:44:03On the other side, the positive leadership in foreign affairs, the man of peace thing, which, personally, you don't need to worry about.
2:44:09Just don't.
2:44:10They're going to have to change their script.
2:44:12Just stand by the president for his strong leadership, the strong leader thing.
2:44:16There's going to be, I think, one thing that this show of strength does do.
2:44:23It tends, at least, to undermine that, if we say it.
2:44:26Don't you agree?
2:44:27And if others say it, which they are.
2:44:31I'm talking about others.
2:44:34Like you mean the media are saying?
2:44:36Is that what you mean by others?
2:44:38Yeah.
2:44:39We don't have a problem.
2:44:52Well, that's a good trade.
2:44:54I'm sure the media think they're hurting you, but they make the point of the B-52 strikes, which were personally ordered by President Nixon.
2:45:02They probably think they're hanging that around your neck.
2:45:05That's exactly what you want.
2:45:07If you're going to do it for yourself, better get credit for it.
2:45:22And yet you're not in that sort of absurd posture that Johnson got in of running down in the room, picking out the tarpons and telling him his oil oil would roll out.
2:45:30Never.
2:45:30Never.
2:45:30Never.
2:45:32Not an experience in that respect, but I think the idea of personally ordering the fleet out there, too.
2:45:38The fleet.
2:45:41And then start another 20 B-52s around the way out.
2:45:43That's good, isn't it?
2:45:46Shale gas.
2:45:47I mean, no doubt it's true, but at least if it's a start, maybe the last one.
2:45:54Maybe you always get right about things, but well, they think we're just not so right.
2:46:01But all that's good on the basis that if it comes out right, you get a hell of a lot of credit for it coming out right.
2:46:08Because just as in Cambodia, when it finally came out right, they had to give you credit.
2:46:13There was no... Because they gave you so much blame.
2:46:17They couldn't just separate it from you after it became a success.
2:46:20This they won't be able to either, if it's a success.
2:46:23It's a failure.
2:46:24You know goddamn well they're going to hang you with it.
2:46:27Either way.
2:46:28You should try.
2:46:29Okay.
2:46:31I'm not even afraid of that.
2:46:32But another thing too is this, the fact that I'm doing it somewhat alone is good.
2:46:37You know, the fact that Laird made a statement, but only after I had taken the initiative, and the fact that Rogerson said a word, it would be all right.
2:46:45I agree with Henry.
2:46:46I don't think Bill would be convincing enough.
2:46:48He wouldn't say anything at this point.
2:46:51Bill would be convincing.
2:46:54When the actress does, it's all right.
2:46:56If he thinks it's going to come out.
2:46:57But I don't really think Bill will stick his neck out.
2:47:00I think that's right.
2:47:00Therefore, I think that we were going to talk.
2:47:03I remember we thought, as I said, that I think we'd better just let him talk to everybody.
2:47:07He's probably right that you don't want to press Bill to do something until he...
2:47:11I mean, he's good when the letters, the sun is shining.
2:47:15Bill isn't very good with the train.
2:47:17Unless he has no other place to go.
2:47:19Here he figures he's got another place to go.
2:47:22He fears he can wait, and that's what he's going to do.
2:47:24Wait?
2:47:25Well, and he also justifies it by saying, well, this is the time to say anything concerning.
2:47:30Things are going all right.
2:47:32Let's just wait and see how it comes out.
2:47:34But I must say, it couldn't be more wrong for him to say it.
2:47:39It just couldn't.
2:47:40If he had any sense.
2:47:43Bill would help us if he would do it with purpose.
2:47:45He really could.
2:47:47And he would also help himself.
2:47:49He looked like he was leaving.
2:47:50He got a damn thing.
2:47:53I wonder if maybe you shouldn't have talked with him just to put him to the test.
2:47:59Well, except if you do and he doesn't, I think Henry's right.
2:48:02I don't think he will do it with the right kind of scum.
2:48:06He will contest too much that we are still seeking negotiations.
2:48:11That is not... You see, Bob, that's really good making speech.
2:48:14Yeah, because there was no way, and Henry said he brought the sapphire king and screamed as it was from what he had written.
2:48:20But nevertheless, that's what everybody wants me to do.
2:48:24They see this generation of peace floating off into the upper atmosphere, and they want me to protest that we're still for peace.
2:48:32Well, I am not going to do that.
2:48:34God damn it, we proved we were for peace.
2:48:37We proved that we were going to do it.
2:48:38You can't say it now because that jeopardizes your chances for it.
2:48:41Well...
2:48:43We've also got our say.
2:48:45We've got a quarter position to make a good statement in Paris.
2:48:48It will go.
2:48:49On the other hand, what we say is, let me say, 40 million back, we're going back.
2:48:54You'll make a statement Thursday.
2:48:56And I'm going to put in another little crack at the Russians, which is a Canadian speech, which is a good way to do it.
2:49:02And there's a group back.
2:49:03We have two.
2:49:04I'll mention that.
2:49:06But they'll be Friday.
2:49:09And so we'll keep that thing alive a bit.
2:49:15Let me tell you, I'm going to Canada and having demonstrators up there, it doesn't bother me.
2:49:20I just think it will reflect life in a lot of Canadians.
2:49:22You apparently aren't going to have any.
2:49:24They've apparently put a security ban on them.
2:49:29How do they do it?
2:49:32The last report I saw was that the Mounties have finally decided they're not going to allow demonstrators.
2:49:37They've put out the word to the radicals that they're not to come to Ottawa at all.
2:49:40They have to come in the city.
2:49:42Apparently they do have some control.
2:49:45Well, and they had a terrible experience, you know, with the seagulls.
2:49:48And they're afraid of getting that again.
2:49:50And that they do.
2:49:53Sorry.
2:49:54We don't want them to be.
2:49:55Of course, we want a few friendly Canadians out.
2:49:57There must be some.
2:49:59Oh, and I don't give a damn.
2:50:00I wouldn't worry about them.
2:50:01I don't worry about them.
2:50:02I don't give one damn what they have out.
2:50:03I mean, it's up to them.
2:50:05It matters.
2:50:05One thing for sure is we've got a good reception in the parlor.
2:50:08I mean, because it's just the fact you went to this on the bench.
2:50:12We're doing enough for the Canadians, believe me.
2:50:14going to the Parliament, going to his show, going to the Governor General's thing, and leaving, I mean, and signing the heavy meeting the second morning, huh?
2:50:22Absolutely.
2:50:23More than none.
2:50:31Rogers, don't try.
2:50:32Don't try.
2:50:33Let me say, if we seem true, Bob, though, I really believe in this instance that
2:50:43Only then, as he said, then if Roger says it, which of course he will, he's got to do it in terms only of grace and presence.
2:50:52We've just got to get our guys then get lined up if it comes through, but that's another game.
2:50:58But who knows?
2:51:00And Bill has just got to handle it.
2:51:03Look, he'll do, the only time he's ever done anything that was greatly to his benefit.
2:51:09But he was shading like a leaf.
2:51:10It wasn't a musky thing.
2:51:11Sure.
2:51:11But it's the best thing he's done this year, wasn't it?
2:51:14Sure.
2:51:14It's the only move that made him any positive points, really.
2:51:18I'm curious, because he's not a solid man.
2:51:31Nobody's just obsessed with himself.
2:51:34A good press is negative.
2:51:41Because he'd be in life.
2:51:42And each day's good, but that's not the long term.
2:51:45See, if he could see ahead, he'd see he could get the best price he could get is if he'd come out now all out for this Vietnam thing.
2:51:55Then he could turn around in a couple weeks and say, I told you something.
2:52:02And he'd get the attention if he came.
2:53:18You got me speaking.
2:53:35I had to build the economic nose.
2:53:42is certainly much more strongly on the positive side of that.
2:53:48And on the downside, food supply, I think you have, I think a major weakness we have are two, one, the price issue.
2:53:54I don't think the unemployment thing is all that big.
2:53:58They're not, as in the price thing, food price, food price, and everybody, the ability to be talking about this, I'm sure that's what makes people mad.
2:54:06People are all bitching about prices of the groceries that you cost money.
2:54:10The other thing is,
2:54:16Of course, the big business pie, right?
2:54:19That was annoying.
2:54:20You see?
2:54:25For something dramatic, you can do a full crush.
2:54:46I mean, about just before the election, I mean, about two months before, I'd say, you've got to live in another freeze to come here, sir.
2:54:56I may be on the other end of the question, so it'd be better.
2:54:59What's your opinion?
2:55:00What do you understand?
2:55:02And, well, it's been extraordinary things to do.
2:55:05Thank you.
2:55:13I mean, not now.
2:55:15I don't know what now.
2:55:19But right now, you want to get off the clock and say things are going to be better.
2:55:32Well, there's some advantage.
2:55:34You could argue that it's pretty good to get over the stir about food prices now.
2:55:43Because, for one thing, the survey is causing them to come down to a certain extent.
2:55:50I would argue that James wouldn't have reduced meat prices even when the wholesale prices went down if they thought they could get away with it.
2:55:58They couldn't get away with it because of all this, sir.
2:56:03And, uh...
2:56:05There's this heat on the middle man and all this stuff.
2:56:08They feel that heat.
2:56:10They know that they're holding on.
2:56:12And I think you'll see a continuing, that they'll do a hell of a, this pressure, the jaw-boning type thing may work a hell of a lot better than controls, in fact.
2:56:22And if you get them down some, in fact, then, and as things get stimulating, of course, you're never going to stop the inflation.
2:56:32The more you get the inflation, the more you get the inflation.
2:56:36That's the difficulty with Tusk's science.
2:56:39Remember Annamise?
2:56:41He said, we ought to do this, we ought to do this.
2:56:44But he's totally insistent.
2:56:46He can't, on the one hand, say what we have to do is to fight the horizon, but on the other hand, on the second, we also have to speculate the economy out here, and we kid ourselves how the hell he can't do both of those things, and he knows it.
2:56:59He knows it.
2:57:01Well, he's trying to say it.
2:57:02It's nice to have kind of an interesting idea, which is to issue a mid-year economic report, which would be written as a campaign document, and talk forward, and talk and take rebuttal.
2:57:15Let's have it in three years, and have it right after the Democratic convention.
2:57:18Let's stab in July 1st, okay, and go forward on that.
2:57:22It's a very good one.
2:57:23Mr. Conley agrees with doing it.
2:57:25He hasn't discussed it with the Council.
2:57:30You might raise a comment when you talk to him today.
2:57:34That could be damn effective.
2:57:36Give him an official government document that the press would have to give some play to and that our speakers could then refer to.
2:57:42That's the mid-year economic report.
2:58:01I think that's it.
2:58:07I'll talk to Conley about that.
2:58:09You mentioned doing this, you know, I want to talk about that.
2:58:16And about what I called this morning.
2:58:30I think we have to realize that we are maybe setting targets.
2:58:38We probably are setting targets in terms of public approval and so forth that present day are not possible because of the massive
2:58:58disenchantment that has been planted in the minds of people and also a great number of young people, a lot of government in general.
2:59:08And that's the cycle we're just doing.
2:59:10If you would think, actually, there are people that have done a better job on the channel than state electors doing things like that, maybe there wasn't anything they could have done.
2:59:20Maybe now, after Russia, we'll turn that.
2:59:23That, it would seem to me, had quite a bit of an appeal to people.
2:59:26I don't think so.
2:59:27And I think it has had some.
2:59:30We run into people that were, it seems to have had some.
2:59:33It's had some of it.
2:59:34But it's all a question of a percentage point or two, isn't it?
2:59:38And maybe nothing to do with it.
2:59:39Just stay the hell with it.
2:59:41Do the best you can.
2:59:43And also recognize the fact, too, that we have a massive media problem.
2:59:48We just get through it.
2:59:50I was very interested in another Times Review Appeals book where they said
2:59:56that actually Nixon's press hadn't been all that bad.
3:00:00Now, for Christ's sakes, that was an unbelievably shit-ass thing to say.
3:00:07My press has been terrible, and they know it, considering what I've done.
3:00:10That's the point.
3:00:11You've had a lot of good press, but your good press has been forced by, and it hasn't been as good as it should be.
3:00:22He's a good press officer.
3:00:25Look, for Christ's sakes, I would go to a press conference and get a half-assed treatment.
3:00:31But generally speaking, we've only had a good press to the extent we've been pretty god-damned hard to handle.
3:00:38And we look at what... Well, that's what he said, going over the heads of the press, right?
3:00:44The biological war thing, if Matt Kennedy had done that, they'd have been, you know, giving him a second start with his crown.
3:00:53Well, Kennedy did most everything wrong and got almost all good press, even some.
3:00:58You've done most everything wrong and got mostly bad press.
3:01:02I think it is more, it is when Osmer is closer to the mark when he says, most of the person doesn't want to trust you.
3:01:11That's true.
3:01:12That's basically the way it is.
3:01:16And I think that's one good piece of advice that we're asking.
3:01:21Is it that we ever get that hand thing done for the China thing?
3:01:27Should we do it?
3:01:28If we're going to do it, I think...
3:01:31I think it's getting around the lake.
3:01:32I think it still isn't an idea to do, don't you?
3:01:37Yeah.
3:01:39If it isn't, Nelson.
3:01:40Oh, no, I don't think it's a good idea.
3:01:42But I think it's a good idea.
3:01:44Let's get it out right now, pretty soon.
3:01:46Without any letter or anything.
3:01:51And let, uh, let, let Ziegler handle that.
3:01:54That might be an idea.
3:01:55Ziegler.
3:01:56And, uh, mail it to him.
3:02:03And we give it to the staff and all the rest of the team and so on.
3:02:11Give it up and down the lines.
3:02:14This time, everybody that was there, including the Secret Service and the airplane crews and down the street, so that they all have a feeling that we have won a medal for them.
3:02:23I think you should have said, won a medal for them.
3:02:29Now, the other thing is...
3:02:33But what I was addressing, the thing about Zegers is that he's absolutely right.
3:02:39You know, I'm tempted to go into a room and see some, I mean, have something for the press socially or some other goddamn thing.
3:02:48And Zegers says no, except for the one time we had a picture of a child.
3:02:53But I think he's absolutely right.
3:02:54I think it would be nice for some of those that are our friends, but for the most, they are not our friends.
3:03:01And therefore, don't lower yourself to get in the pit with tons of edges.
3:03:05Do you agree with that?
3:03:06I sure do, and it doesn't do any good.
3:03:09People will argue with you on that.
3:03:12I'm fine with arguing with you on that.
3:03:14Bill Rogers will argue with you.
3:03:15Oh, Bill, Bill, you know, Bill, when he's taking his trips, always has a reception for the press.
3:03:20Before he goes, he has one when he's there.
3:03:23You know, he invites them all in.
3:03:24They have a drink and so forth.
3:03:26The end.
3:03:27And he chats with them.
3:03:28I don't think they respect you for that.
3:03:30I think you are not the president, especially the secretary of state.
3:03:34I don't think they respect you.
3:03:38What I'm getting at is this, that I think my socializing with the press, our friends would love it, and I'd like to do it with the Vanderlandes and the others, you know, they're really nice guys and they want to be home.
3:03:55But typically only 20% basically are friends or non-enemies.
3:03:59The 8% who are the other way around.
3:04:02We've only used it as a saying on the summit of which he's trying to mutter something so cruel.
3:04:07So the way that our friends understand that they are members of a group that is against us, and they have accepted it.
3:04:13And as far as our enemies are concerned, all that they deserve and what we should give them is frankly a very courteous but cool contempt of Jewry.
3:04:27And I think that's the way we've been handling them, and that's the way we should handle them.
3:04:33Is that the argument?
3:04:34Yeah.
3:04:37And Zacher feels that way, doesn't he?
3:04:39All the way.
3:04:39He doesn't want any goddamn socializing.
3:04:41I think he's delighted to do any of these events this year.
3:04:55But didn't they ask for White House Correspondents after last year?
3:04:58I will never go back to them.
3:05:02I know.
3:05:02It's just too damn bad the timing that Poe, you know, is President of Correspondents this year also.
3:05:06He's President of both.
3:05:09He's President of both, but we're never had a Correspondents.
3:05:13First time in history, one that's been President of both.
3:05:16Don't worry.
3:05:18And it's just, no, you shouldn't.
3:05:19But it's too bad because he's such a nice guy, but he's also, you know, so blind.
3:05:31And he can't control it.
3:05:31He can't control it.
3:05:33And I don't think there's, I had a long talk with him at the Grid Army.
3:05:38I don't think it was the least bit disturbed that you weren't there.
3:05:39I mean, I was relying.
3:05:42Well, he knew why you weren't there.
3:05:44Did he?
3:05:45Yeah, he didn't say it, but he knew it.
3:05:47He said, I just love that man that you work for.
3:05:49I said, well, he knows that.
3:05:51He knows.
3:05:51He appreciates.
3:05:52Can we do one thing for him?
3:05:54Can we be sure that Ziegler finds a way to get him subsidized for this trip?
3:06:00OK?
3:06:01And you know what I mean?
3:06:02Is get him to, so that he gets something special.
3:06:10and through his talking to his editor and the rest of it.
3:06:13That's the least we can do.
3:06:15And any way we can do that, probably he's the head of the two correspondents.
3:06:20Maybe we can share with him what kind of things we can work on.
3:06:25What Ron was just saying, you shouldn't even know about it.
3:06:28We can work it out.
3:06:29We just don't charge for the airplane.
3:06:31See, we prorate the airplane costs and we can just not build some of them.
3:06:38That's the big cost.
3:06:39That's the big air cost.
3:06:40That's the hotel cost.
3:06:41It's nothing.
3:06:42The country's country does.
3:06:45For China, it's $300.
3:06:46And I suggest something.
3:06:47One thing that I'd like to do for him.
3:06:49It would be an awfully nice thing.
3:06:50Why don't you invite him to go on our plane, on the pool plane, since he is the president and the president of the White House Correspondents.
3:07:07He goes, he said, that'd be very easy.
3:07:10And then he's not charging for it.
3:07:12Get my mind.
3:07:15I just let him ride the whole damn thing all the way.
3:07:19The rest of the two of them.
3:07:21See if it's wrong.
3:07:23If it gets wrong, it's just not great.
3:07:26They managed to call me there, but that's a good way to do it so you don't have to charge.
3:07:30I knew it from Ron.
3:07:32Ron was on the line.
3:07:33This is how you can do it.
3:07:34You can bet they wouldn't get around if they weren't charged.
3:07:37The only guy you tell you're not charged is the guy you can tell me about.
3:07:40I didn't know we ever did that.
3:07:46We don't.
3:07:49We have not.
3:07:50We have not.
3:07:51We have not charged you before.
3:07:53Yeah, but...
3:07:55Uh, troops in this country.
3:07:57Certainly.
3:07:59Yeah.
3:07:59And they were probably the number of people that would go down to South Carolina that time.
3:08:03I'm not sure.
3:08:07Well, it's a great thing, certainly.
3:08:08I'm sure it has.
3:08:17You see, that's the nice thing for Cole, to get him on that branch and get him into every one of them.
3:08:23You're sure he'd go.
3:08:25If you go, we'll bring him back on his plane.
3:08:30All the way.
3:08:31Well, I jogged the other 12 if I said the one that really disturbed me the most about Afghanistan this year was the fact that he was president.
3:08:38And I was a little disappointed to be here for his year.
3:08:45He said, oh, your junior's in that one.
3:08:55I doubt that there's been a spring in the lake in history in Washington City.
3:09:02It's a...

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