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Nixon, Dively & Hess on White House Conference on Youth

Thursday, April 13, 1972 · 4:10 PM–4:28 PM ET · Oval Office · 17 min

ParticipantsNixon, Richard M. (President); Dively, Michael A.; Garcia, Christiane; Cameron, Alan; Hess, Stephen; Cole, Kenneth R., Jr.; Hanzlik, Rayburn D.; Cohen, Howard A.; Bull, Stephen B.; White House photographer; [Unknown person(s)]Conversation708-002 on Tape 708 (tape position 00:04:47–00:21:45)StartThursday, April 13, 1972 at 4:10 PMEndThursday, April 13, 1972 at 4:28 PMRecording deviceOval OfficeSourceNixon Library record for 708-002 ↗

President Nixon met with leaders of the White House Conference on Youth, including Michael Dively and Stephen Hess, to discuss their ongoing efforts and the federal government's response to the conference's recommendations. The participants reviewed the distribution of demonstration grants and discussed strategies for ensuring their policy concerns gained traction within the upcoming Republican and Democratic party platforms. Nixon encouraged the group to present their proposals to platform committees to maximize publicity and influence, drawing on his own past experiences with such committees.

  • White House Conference on Youth
  • Political platforms
  • Youth advocacy
  • Federal grants
  • Public relations
  • Policy implementation

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On April 13, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon, Michael A. Dively, Christiane Garcia, Alan Cameron, Stephen Hess, Kenneth R. Cole, Jr., Rayburn D. Hanzlik, Howard A. Cohen, Stephen B. Bull, White House photographer, and unknown person(s) met in the Oval Office of the White House at an unknown time between 4:10 pm and 4:28 pm. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 708-002 of the White House Tapes.

Conversation No. 708-2

Date: April 13, 1972
Time: 4:10 pm - unknown before 4:28 pm
Location: Oval Office

The President met with Michael A. Dively, Christiane Garcia, Alan Cameron, Stephen Hess,
Kenneth R. Cole, Jr., Rayburn D. Hanzlik, Howard A. Cohen and Stephen B. Bull; members of
the press and the White House photographer were present at the beginning of the meeting.

       Greetings and introductions
             -Hanzlik
             -Garcia
             -Cameron
                  -Age

       Photographs

              -Arrangements

       [General conversation]

       Movie

       Photographs
            -Individual conferees

       Presidential gifts
             -Gold pens
             -Congressmen

Bull left at an unknown time before 4:27 pm.

       The President's trip to Canada

       Hess

       Conference report

An unknown man entered at an unknown time after 4:10 pm.

              -Delivery somewhere

The unknown man left at an unknown time before 4:27 pm.
Show the rest of the log (89 more lines)
              -Concern for young people
              -Recommendations
                    -Responses
                          -Hess
              -Officers of conference
              -Budget of conference
                    -Breakdown of expenditures
              -Grants
                    -Priority topics
                    -University of Michigan
              -Recommendations
                    -Memorandum
                    -Unknown governor's report
                    -Republican platform

                -Presentation to committee
                       -The President's membership in 1948
                       -Publicity value
                             -TV coverage
                       -John J. Rhodes
            -Democratic platform
                -Richard E. Neustadt
                -Equal time

Garcia
     -Plans for future
           -College
     -Birthplace
           -Home state

Thelma C. (“Pat”) Nixon
     -Birthplace

Cameron
    -Job
    -Background
    -Military service

Army
       -All-volunteer
       -Draft

Political conventions
       -Value
             -Friendship
             -Dialogue

White House conference reports
     -White House library and Library of Congress
     -Number
     -Value
     -Youth report
          -Grants
          -Platform committees
                -Publicity

Bull entered at an unknown time after 4:10 pm.

       The President's schedule

       White House Conference on Youth
            -Conferees
                 -Future trips to People's Republic of China [PRC]

       Dwarf tree
            -Age
            -PRC

       White House Conference on Youth
            -Conferees
                 -Age

       White House staff
            -Cole
                  -Age
                        -Winston S. Churchill

       Miami and San Diego conventions

Dively et al., left at 4:27 pm; Bull remained.

       Photograph
            -Conference on Youth report

       The President's meeting with Hess
            -Gifts
                   -Hess's children

Bull left at an unknown time before 4:28 pm.

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Yeah.
Yeah.
Now, Cameron is here.
Right here.
Sorry, Carol.
Sorry.
Yeah.
Yes, that's right.
I'm aging.
33.
33, yes.
You carried it well.
I'm glad you did that.
Oh, were you?
Mr. President, yes, we'd like to take a picture.
All right.
I'd like to hear this.
I'd also like to present the iPod folks first.
All right.
Yes.
All right.
I'll talk to you all later.
I've got a copy of this document.
So we've got over here, I think the picture's getting better.
Let's see, you stand on my left, and if you get on my right, like this, and the rest bounces, and I think you get on my right, too, Steve.
If I'm, you should be there.
I hold him, kind of like this.
Can I hold one?
No, just, yeah.
How's it like this?
All right.
Either way you want to.
I think it would just in percent.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Okay.
You never, it'll all look awkward.
Of course.
Very clever.
Yeah, yeah.
Oh, okay.
Thank you.
Now let's get to the...
We'll get another picture with all of you looking at our own pictures.
We need you to stand back.
Here, listen.
We've got a black and white picture over there.
I'll look at it.
I'll look at it.
I'll look at it.
I'll look at it.
I'll look at it.
I'll look at it.
I'll look at it.
Very expensive thing.
Yeah, these are very expensive.
We got caught by them and we tried to reduce the quality of this money.
We used to use it, but it wouldn't go over across campus much.
We'll go back and have a look.
So we'll break it up together with the Congress.
There, thank you very much.
That's all we have to do.
We don't have to sit down for five minutes.
I've got a little camera here.
I want to see Steve, because he's going to be working.
Is that not known, Steve?
Yes, it is.
It is now?
Yeah.
Yeah.
We'd like to give you a copy of the report.
Maybe you can take it along.
Yeah, I will.
This is a smart thing.
You've got those water tanks.
We think it represents some of the concerns of the young people, and this is basically, I can only speak for myself as chairman of all of them.
The conference and the year that has followed it has particularly, not so much the document, the federal response, but the effort on the part of your administration and the federal government to look at what was said on this department, starting with the secretary.
has been very helpful.
Well, as you know, we took all of your recommendations and spread them all over the government.
So the response is basically one that should be relevant to the matters that you raised rather than simply one that you prepared here.
So it got them to think about some of the problems.
Well, that was to speak, it's correct.
No, no.
If I wanted to point out another thing,
these three delegates who are in our chairman and vice chairman, vice chairwoman, elected by their colleagues in Estes Park, did something quite unusual.
And we gave them budget.
It was $152,000 for the following fiscal year.
And they advised us on how best to spend the money.
And it came out about one-third to run a small office, three people.
About one-third to print the reports, make a film, and so forth.
And about one-third
for grants, demonstration grants, of other young people doing things that were in keeping with the spirit and the recommendations that came out of this park.
Who determines the grants?
They determine the grants.
We have a committee of 11 of us.
The grants were announced through your office today.
And we think, speaking for Helen and Chris,
through these grants that we can focus additional attention on problems, such as one I'm interested in, the age of majority.
These grants will allow the University of Michigan to study the age of majority, what's happened in Michigan since
And that's been recommended nationally.
It's of course a problem which has to be a question of the state and federal relationship.
But you're pretty high on it as I understand it.
I haven't read them all.
I'm correct in that I understand it.
We've appreciated the support you gave to the governor in the report.
But that's just one of the things that you might do, which I'm sure you've already thought about.
I think you might appear for both platforms.
on that issue.
You can do that.
They'll, what's your name, Steve?
I can assure you the Republican platform committee will hear you then.
I'm sure Democrats naturally will have a chance to protect our office by this non-partisan group.
Go to the platform committee.
If you can get a position,
that you believe should be included, it would be quite unusual.
It would be the first time that either national platform, well, I guess national platforms have had it before, you know, like the 18-year-old will, and that's when we had that, and ours in 68 was already called.
But you see, if you get something highly substantive,
And just as a suggestion, why don't you come and take a look at that and see if you could help or if you have any work with it.
And you are a true guest.
He said you can.
Why don't you go through your entire, you know, your attention, pick out the things that you think might well be in a part of Black Farm.
And then go down before the committee.
And, you know, if you've ever attended a Black Farm commission, well, that would be interesting, too.
I was on the
And in 1948, when I was a freshman congressman at that time, I was elected the second time in the primary, so I was just going into my second term.
But I appeared before the platform committee in Philadelphia, and it's extremely interesting.
Uh, another thing the Secretary should bear in mind is that the Black Park Committee provides a very good public relations device, CD, and conventions.
Uh, they will have massive television coverage and, and Black Park Committee, of course, you know, means for a week.
before the convention begins, a week to 10 days, and they all report something.
I'm not saying they will report what you said, but they very well might.
And there'll be questioning and there'll be debate and all that sort of thing.
It may, I think it's a good idea to consider re-interviewing.
If you could tell, would you tell Rhodes, Art, or Sharon that I'd like to get the group wants that they can serve here?
I'd be happy to, yeah.
I'll take this, that is.
And what you tell them, you can tell them in the interest of my partnership that I suggested that they would like what we offered in equal time.
What are you going to do when you finish college?
Well, right now I'm planning to go to Stanford to go to counseling psychology.
You mean for graduate work?
Yes.
Yeah.
Uh-huh.
To Stanford.
Are you in California originally?
No, except for when I was young.
I grew up in California most of the time, if I can remember.
Yeah.
Practically.
Sure.
It was like my wife.
She was born in Nevada.
Moved to California when she was a month old, so she kind of went to Europe.
You're already working, right, sir?
I'm working now.
You're right, right.
Yeah, I know that you have a background in the service.
You, you, uh, let's come, uh, you, you, you're, uh, if we, uh, if we all volunteer, Ernie, come in and get one.
We hope.
What, what are the contentious issues out of the way?
Talk about other things.
We're down pretty low in the draft now, though.
I'm wondering about the call center.
It's turning well.
I guess.
But the thing I would hope is that all of you would learn.
I remember
I had the opportunity to attend, well, like, conventions I had been to for years ago, you know, when I first was out of college.
I mean, conventions, you know, it's always a great experience just to go, just to be there with all the people and the excitement.
But the most, there are two things that I remember that all people remember is that, first of all, that the people that you meet, that you know, you develop friendships and
not only friendships, but you develop that dialogue that will go on for the rest of your lives.
And that's very important.
And there are people that you've met that you've never really met and wouldn't have met in the Navy or anyplace else, and that's number one.
Some of them will agree with you, some of them will, but I've had people that I've met in conventions through those years.
The other thing is to try to see that it just doesn't end up being important.
This White House Library and the Library of Congress is vitally full of, if you will, thousands of reports, White House conferences on education, health, and a number of things that just collect dust, dust, dust.
Some things happen sometimes, but the hard thing is to, of course, follow through.
and to continue it.
And I think Steve, Steve very much had this in mind.
Not this one, but the other one.
He's our expert.
We hope that both of the grants which were issued and also the fact that you have gone a step farther than this report will not be one of those again.
Well, one good way, as I say, to
to say that it is the platform committee because you will have to know what the situation will be later.
But there you reach both parties.
You reach the Congress, the senators, as well as the executive branch.
And you might reach the country if you get a little play through those papers.
Excuse me, Mr. President.
All right.
Those streets are, you've heard of the Dwarf streets.
These are very young streets.
I'm talking about five years old.
And I said, there's a lot of them there.
And I told them, there's a lot of Chinese in there.
I said, yeah, we'd love to go out there.
There's a little display on the right.
I said, there's a lot of them there.
I said, there's a lot of them there.
I said, yeah, we'd love to go out there.
I'm sure we're going to make it.
Good luck to you.
I wish you the very best.
It's worth it.
This federal response is very good.
You are very responsible as a group of leaders here.
And I think it was a very representative group.
And we also get pushed by our staff here.
They're all young.
Only you can take the portion.
No, no, 34?
I see Churchill across the aisle.
He was 34 already.
Goodbye.
Good luck to you.
Have a good time in Miami and wherever it is you're called in San Diego.
Okay.
I see.
I had forgotten.
We were giving them the books.
With Steve Hess, do you want to give him the money to do anything inexpensive and have a little Apollo viewer for the children?
We have a little Apollo viewer for the children.
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Conversation 708-002, April 13, 1972. White House Tapes, Richard Nixon Presidential Library and Museum, National Archives. Audio and AI transcript via Easy Nixon, https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/708-002 (accessed November 15, 2026).