Conversation 708-002

TapeTape 708StartThursday, April 13, 1972 at 4:10 PMEndThursday, April 13, 1972 at 4:28 PMTape start time00:04:47Tape end time00:21:45ParticipantsNixon, Richard M. (President);  Dively, Michael A.;  Garcia, Christiane;  Cameron, Alan;  Hess, Stephen;  Cole, Kenneth R., Jr.;  Hanzlik, Rayburn D.;  Cohen, Howard A.;  Bull, Stephen B.;  White House photographer;  [Unknown person(s)]Recording deviceOval Office

On April 13, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon, Michael A. Dively, Christiane Garcia, Alan Cameron, Stephen Hess, Kenneth R. Cole, Jr., Rayburn D. Hanzlik, Howard A. Cohen, Stephen B. Bull, White House photographer, and unknown person(s) met in the Oval Office of the White House at an unknown time between 4:10 pm and 4:28 pm. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 708-002 of the White House Tapes.

Conversation No. 708-2

Date: April 13, 1972
Time: 4:10 pm - unknown before 4:28 pm
Location: Oval Office

The President met with Michael A. Dively, Christiane Garcia, Alan Cameron, Stephen Hess,
Kenneth R. Cole, Jr., Rayburn D. Hanzlik, Howard A. Cohen and Stephen B. Bull; members of
the press and the White House photographer were present at the beginning of the meeting.

       Greetings and introductions
             -Hanzlik
             -Garcia
             -Cameron
                  -Age

       Photographs

              -Arrangements

       [General conversation]

       Movie

       Photographs
            -Individual conferees

       Presidential gifts
             -Gold pens
             -Congressmen

Bull left at an unknown time before 4:27 pm.

       The President's trip to Canada

       Hess

       Conference report

An unknown man entered at an unknown time after 4:10 pm.

              -Delivery somewhere

The unknown man left at an unknown time before 4:27 pm.

              -Concern for young people
              -Recommendations
                    -Responses
                          -Hess
              -Officers of conference
              -Budget of conference
                    -Breakdown of expenditures
              -Grants
                    -Priority topics
                    -University of Michigan
              -Recommendations
                    -Memorandum
                    -Unknown governor's report
                    -Republican platform

                -Presentation to committee
                       -The President's membership in 1948
                       -Publicity value
                             -TV coverage
                       -John J. Rhodes
            -Democratic platform
                -Richard E. Neustadt
                -Equal time

Garcia
     -Plans for future
           -College
     -Birthplace
           -Home state

Thelma C. (“Pat”) Nixon
     -Birthplace

Cameron
    -Job
    -Background
    -Military service

Army
       -All-volunteer
       -Draft

Political conventions
       -Value
             -Friendship
             -Dialogue

White House conference reports
     -White House library and Library of Congress
     -Number
     -Value
     -Youth report
          -Grants
          -Platform committees
                -Publicity

Bull entered at an unknown time after 4:10 pm.

       The President's schedule

       White House Conference on Youth
            -Conferees
                 -Future trips to People's Republic of China [PRC]

       Dwarf tree
            -Age
            -PRC

       White House Conference on Youth
            -Conferees
                 -Age

       White House staff
            -Cole
                  -Age
                        -Winston S. Churchill

       Miami and San Diego conventions

Dively et al., left at 4:27 pm; Bull remained.

       Photograph
            -Conference on Youth report

       The President's meeting with Hess
            -Gifts
                   -Hess's children

Bull left at an unknown time before 4:28 pm.

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This is Chris Garcia from California.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Now, Cameron is here.
Right here.
I'm aging. 33.
33 minutes.
You carried it well.
Mr. President, we'd like to take a picture.
All right.
I'd like to hear this.
I'd also like to present the iPod folks first.
I'll talk to you about that.
I've got a copy of this document.
So we've got over here, I think the picture's getting better.
Let's see, you stand on my left, and if you get on my right, like this, the rest bounces, and I think you get on my right, too, Steve.
If I'm, you should be there.
I hold him, kind of like this.
It all looked awkward.
Of course.
Very.
Yeah, yeah.
Oh, yeah.
Thank you.
Now let's get to the...
We'll get another picture with all of you looking at our own pictures.
We need you to stand back.
Here, listen.
We've got black heads over there.
I want to get a picture.
I need a picture.
Perfect, sir.
Bring it back.
Yes.
One year ago.
It's a very expensive thing.
Yeah, these are very expensive.
We got caught by them and we tried to reduce the quality of this money.
We use these because it won't go over across campus much.
We'll go back to them.
So we'll break it up together with the Congress.
Eric, can I start?
That's all we have to do.
We don't have to sit down for five minutes.
I've got a little camera here.
I want to see Steve, because he's going to be working.
I don't know him, Steve.
You didn't know him?
Yeah.
Senior golf coach.
Yeah.
We'd like to give you a copy of the report.
Maybe you can take it along.
Yeah, I will.
This is a smart thing.
You've got those water cans.
We think it represents some of the concerns of the young people, and this is basically, I can only speak for myself as chairman of all of them.
The conference and the year that has followed it has particularly, not so much the document, the federal response, but the effort on the part of your administration and the federal government to look at what was said on this department, starting with the secretary.
has been very helpful.
Well, as you know, we took all of your recommendations and spread them all over the government.
So the response is basically one that should be relevant to the matters that you raised rather than simply one prepared here.
So it got them to think about some of the problems.
Well, that was to see if it's correct or not.
No, no.
If I wanted to point out another thing,
these three delegates who are in our chairman and vice chairman, vice chairwoman, elected by their colleagues in Estes Park, did something quite unusual.
And we gave them budget.
It was $152,000 for the following fiscal year.
And they advised us on how best to spend the money.
And it came out about one-third to run a small office, three people.
About one-third to print the reports, make a film, and so forth.
And about one-third
for grants, demonstration grants, of other young people doing things that were in keeping with the spirit and the recommendations that came out of this park.
Who determines the grants?
They determine the grants.
We have a committee of 11 of us.
The grants were announced through your office today.
And we think, speaking for Helen and Chris,
through these grants that we can focus additional attention on problems, such as one I'm interested in, the Asian majority.
These grants will allow the University of Michigan to study the Asian majority, what's happened in Michigan
That's been recommended nationally.
It's of course a problem which has to be a question of the state and federal relationship, but you're pretty high on it as I understand it.
I haven't read them all.
I'm correct in that I understand it.
We've appreciated the support you gave to the governor in the report.
That's just one of the things that you might do, which I'm sure you've already thought about.
I think you might appear for both platforms.
on that issue.
You can do that.
They'll, what's your name, Steve?
I can assure you the Republican platform committee will hear you then.
I'm sure Democrats naturally will have a chance to protect our office by this non-partisan group.
Go to the platform committee.
If you can get a position
that you believe should be included, it would be quite unusual.
It would be the first time that either national platform, well, I guess national platforms have had it before, you know, like the Asian Aero World and that sort of thing.
We had that in ours in 68, as I recall.
But you see, if you get something highly substantive,
And just as a suggestion, why don't you come and take a look at that and see if you could help where you were with it.
And you are a true guest.
He said you can.
Why don't you go through your entire, you know, your attempts to pick out the things that you think might well be in a party platform.
And then go down before the committee.
And, you know, if you've ever attended a platform commission, well, that would be interesting, too.
I was on the...
And in 1948, when I was a freshman congressman at that time, I was elected the second time in the primary, so I was just going into my second term.
But I appeared before the platform committee in Philadelphia, and it's extremely interesting.
Another thing that will be associated too is that the platform committee provides a very good public relations device, CD, and conventions.
They will have massive television coverage and platform committee, of course, you know, means for a week.
before the convention begins, a week to 10 days, and I'm not saying they will report what you said, but they are going to mind.
And there will be questioning and there will be debate and all that sort of thing.
It may be a good idea to consider re-interviewing.
What are you going to do when you finish college?
Well, right now I'm planning to go to Stanford to go to counseling psychology.
You mean for graduate work?
Yes.
Yeah.
Uh-huh.
To Stanford.
I see.
Are you a Californian originally?
No, except for when I was young.
I grew up in California most of the time, if I can remember.
Yeah.
Practically.
Sure.
It was like my wife.
She was born in Nevada.
Moved to California when she was a month old, so she kind of went to Europe.
You're already working, right, sir?
I'm working now.
You're right, right.
Yeah, I know that you have a background in the service.
You've, uh, let's come, uh, if we, uh, if we all volunteer, Ernie, come and get one.
We hope.
What are the contentious issues out of the way?
Talk about other things.
We're down pretty low in the draft now, though.
But the thing I would hope is that all of you would learn, I remember
I had the opportunity to attend, well, like, conventions I had been to for years ago when I first was out of college.
I mean, conventions, it's always a good experience just to go, just to be there with all the people and the excitement.
But the most, there are two things that I remember that all people remember is that, first of all, that the people that you meet, that you know, you develop friendships and
not only friendships, but you develop that dialogue that will go on for the rest of your lives.
And that's very important.
And there are people that you've met that you've never really met and wouldn't have met in the Navy or anyplace else.
That's number one.
Some of them will agree with you, some of them will, but I've had people that I've met in conventions through those years.
The other thing is to try to see that it just doesn't end up being important.
This White House Library and the Library of Congress is vitally full of, if you will, thousands of reports, White House conferences on it.
So, education, health, and a number of things that just collect dust, dust, dust.
Some things happen sometimes, but the hard thing is to, of course, follow through.
And I think Steve, Steve very much had this in mind.
He's our expert.
We hope that both of the grants which were issued and also the fact that you have gone a step farther than this report will not be one of those again.
One good way, as I say, to
to say that it is the platform committee because you will have to know what the situation will be later.
But there you reach both parties.
You reach the Congress, the senators, as well as the executive branch.
And you might reach the country if you get a little play through those papers.
Excuse me, Mr. President.
All right.
Those streets are, you've heard of the Dwarf streets, these are very young streets.
They're sometimes five years old.
And I said, there's a lot of them there.
And I told them, there's a lot of the Chinese in there.
And I said, yeah, we love the Dwarf here.
There's a little display on the right.
I said, there's something that says Dwarf in there.
He said, there's probably, you know, half the right there.
And he said, yeah.
How's everyone doing today?
Good luck to you.
I wish you the very best.
This federal response has been very good.
You were very responsible as a group of leaders here.
And I think it was a very representative group.
And we also get pushed by our staff here.
They're all young.
Only you can take the portion.
No, no, 34?
I see Churchill across the aisle.
He was 34 already.
Goodbye.
Good luck to you.
Have a good time in Miami and wherever it is you're called in San Diego.
Okay.
I see.
I had forgotten.
We were giving them the books.
With Steve Hess, do you want to give him a money book?
Do you want anything inexpensive?
And a little Apollo viewer for the children.
We have a little Apollo viewer for the children.
Well, here they are.
One, two.
Well, how are you?
I'm glad to see you.
You've got a nice family picture.
How would you like that?
You've got to have it anyway.