{"conversationCode":"709-004","tapeNumber":709,"conversationNumber":4,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-709-004","startDateTime":"1972-04-17T13:36:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1972-04-17T13:58:00.000Z","startDate":"17-Apr-1972","startTime":"8:36 AM","endDate":"17-Apr-1972","endTime":"8:58 AM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"estimated","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President);","description":"On April 17, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon met in the Oval Office of the White House at an unknown time between 8:36 am and 8:58 am. 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(“Billy”) Graham\n          -Conversation with the President\n          -Conversation with Chancellor of the University Of North Carolina at Charlotte\n                -Student reaction to United States bombing in Vietnam\n                      -Troop withdrawals\n                      -Negotiations\n\n     Nelson A. Rockefeller\n          -Telephone call with the President\n               -Compared with previous telephone call\n                      -Cambodia operation\n               -Support for the President's policies\n               -Margaretta (\"Happy\") Rockefeller\n          -Possible telephone call to Henry A. Kissinger\n               -Henry A. Kissinger’s request\n\f     Tricia Nixon Cox and Julie Nixon Eisenhower\n           -Telephone calls with the President\n                -Moon launch\n\n     The President's schedule\n          -Dinner\n               -Tricia Nixon Cox\n               -Old Executive Office Building [OEOB]\n\n*****************************************************************\n\nBEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 1\n[Personal Returnable]\n[709-004-w001]\n[Duration: 14s]\n\nEND WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 1\n\n*****************************************************************\n\n     The President’s schedule\n          -Dinner\n               -Old Executive Office Building [OEOB]\n                      -Meal\n          -Evening\n               -Telephone calls\n               -Rest\n               -Notes\n\n*****************************************************************","filename":["709-004.mp3"],"tapeStart":"00:10:22","tapeEnd":"00:15:28","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)"],"prevCode":"709-003","nextCode":"709-005","transcript":[{"start":0.52,"end":0.94,"text":"That's good."},{"start":0.98,"end":3.35,"text":"Talk to Billy Graham."},{"start":57.94,"end":62.52,"text":"And he said that he had a conversation with the chancellor of the University of North Carolina, Charlotte."},{"start":62.54,"end":67.92,"text":"And the chancellor said that he did not think there was going to be a student reaction to this bombing."},{"start":67.94,"end":76.37,"text":"There had been earlier activities due to the fact that we had withdrawn forces and had to negotiate on her."},{"start":76.39,"end":85.79,"text":"I also had a call from Nelson Rockefeller, who was strange to reminisce, and the one I received was the early days of Cambodia."},{"start":87.64,"end":91.71,"text":"He said that he is very proud as a friend, he asked."},{"start":92.41,"end":97.11,"text":"He opened his audition and asked me what I had done."},{"start":97.31,"end":103.34,"text":"But he didn't know anyone else would have done it."},{"start":103.36,"end":109.62,"text":"I had people sitting there with him, and she was also very proud."},{"start":109.64,"end":111.66,"text":"He used the word, fabulous, to describe the activities."},{"start":114.98,"end":121.06,"text":"My guess is that he probably had called Henry and Henry had asked him to give him the call."},{"start":121.08,"end":127.19,"text":"But it was probably not too bad an idea to have some calls coming in and he gave them support."},{"start":127.21,"end":131.4,"text":"The calls, the talks with Chris and Julie were"},{"start":132.92,"end":134.88,"text":"Refreshing, both."},{"start":135.02,"end":138.72,"text":"I had a great time at the moonshot barricade."},{"start":140,"end":144.89,"text":"I was unnecessarily barricaded at dinner time."},{"start":144.91,"end":148.39,"text":"I appreciated the ride about 6 o'clock."},{"start":148.41,"end":149.73,"text":"I left and came over to"},{"start":169.96,"end":173.62,"text":"decided to get some relief by eating myself."},{"start":174.24,"end":186.89,"text":"The closet was closed, so I found half a ham and cheese sandwich and a nice box, which I only left."},{"start":186.95,"end":189.96,"text":"Had that for dinner."},{"start":190.31,"end":194.08,"text":"It wasn't totally what had happened."},{"start":198.39,"end":200.19,"text":"After making a few calls, I'm going to be back."},{"start":200.21,"end":201.77,"text":"I'm going to be back at a very early hour."},{"start":201.79,"end":202.77,"text":"I'm going to leave at 9 o'clock."},{"start":202.79,"end":204.79,"text":"I'm going to sleep until 8.30 the next morning."},{"start":204.81,"end":208.19,"text":"I won't even wake up briefly tonight."},{"start":208.21,"end":220.83,"text":"I'm going to have to make some notes."},{"start":221.21,"end":221.45,"text":"Great."},{"start":226.82,"end":228.72,"text":"That's the other power handle they have."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon dictates a memorandum for the file reflecting on recent communications and his personal schedule. He notes a report from Billy Graham regarding minimal student unrest at the University of North Carolina concerning Vietnam bombing campaigns, as well as a supportive phone call from Nelson Rockefeller. 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