Nixon, MacGregor & Sanchez on ITT antitrust investigation

1:08:53Well, I think there's a little change.
1:08:55Maybe I'll just go out and buy myself a dinner on the Sequoia.
1:08:58Good night.
1:08:59Yeah.
1:09:00Yes, sir.
1:09:00It's okay.
1:09:01You?
1:09:01Yes, sir.
1:09:02I've been talking to you down there.
1:09:04Instead, if you leave here at 5.30, I'm going to be on the boat by quarter to six.
1:09:10I'm going to spend it.
1:09:56No, they're still in very stormy, what's described to me as a very stormy executive session.
1:10:01We have all six of our Republican senators present on hand.
1:10:06Sam Urban is helpful to us.
1:10:08Sam still plays the game.
1:10:11You figured with your being there along with Vance, you're going to deal with him?
1:10:16Yes.
1:10:20We don't know whether Bob Burt will go along.
1:10:22Why don't you say something?
1:10:25because of being a leader.
1:10:26He's a leader.
1:10:27And the Kennedy County faction is a majority among some Democrats.
1:10:32And Bob is carefully... Yeah, trying to balance, actually.
1:10:34Trying to balance.
1:10:35All right.
1:10:35Suppose he doesn't go along.
1:10:37Can we still get the votes?
1:10:40It would be...
1:10:40Depending on Mathias, is that right?
1:10:42It would depend on Mathias.
1:10:43Mathias is heading... is scheduled to leave for a Anglo-American legislators' conference at Ditchley near Oxford tomorrow night.
1:10:50The Ditchley conference.
1:10:53But if we have the...
1:10:56If we have five Republicans plus Eastland, Irvin, and Berg, and if Mathias Adson reduces the committee to 14, then we have eight and we have a solid.
1:11:06Now, we have seven.
1:11:07But you're missing Berg.
1:11:08We're missing Berg.
1:11:10Well, we don't know that we're missing Berg, Mr. President.
1:11:12Let me tell you what I've done within the last hour.
1:11:16I called Paul Fannin.
1:11:18He was over at the Bill Rogers' having a briefing at the State Department.
1:11:22Paul came out and I said I thought it was critically important that Paul meet with Sam Urban, the Senate Sam is out of the executive session, and that Paul Fannin ask Urban if the two of them could go together and visit with Bob Berg.
1:11:39I think in the presence of Sam Urban and Paul Fannin, Berg will find it very difficult not to support Urban and Eastland because within the committee,
1:11:48Bird will be in very strange company if he is opposed to Irvin and Eastland and aligned with Kennedy, Tunney, Hart, Vine, Bird.
1:11:58So although we do not have Bird, we don't know that we don't have him.
1:12:03He's been very close-mouthed about this.
1:12:05He hasn't gone to the committee hearings since his motion was adopted.
1:12:10Sam Irvin told me that he believes that Bob will be with him.
1:12:14As maybe Sam's already talked about,
1:12:16But I didn't want to rest on that, so I asked Paul if he and Sam would go and talk about a bird.
1:12:22And that's in motion now.
1:12:30And I've been on the telephone to both Reinicke and Yellow Waters.
1:12:33He said, get him.
1:12:37You might have them on salvo.
1:12:40We're going to try to keep policing off the same.
1:12:42Is there any way that the order witnesses can be so that they could be called up here on what ground and be called in before policing?
1:12:48They are governmental officials of the state of California.
1:12:52One, the number two officer of the state of California, and Dylan Waters, the director of commerce or whatever his title is.
1:12:57And they have an industrial conference, which they had called to bring business to California, and they have left that conference to come here and testify.
1:13:04And they must get back to it tomorrow night, but they're here and available all day tomorrow.
1:13:08They are government officials, and a matter of common... Well, does he run any such... Do they still have Stewart on, or is he finished?
1:13:18Stewart is not finished.
1:13:20That's good.
1:13:21He'll be on tomorrow morning.
1:13:22Christ knows.
1:13:23They could question him all day long.
1:13:25But then our guys should take plenty of time on the kilometers and the rest of the thing.
1:13:36And that will run.
1:13:37And put a planning on Thursday or something.
1:13:40That'll be a very difficult session.
1:13:42We'll, through John Mitchell, reaching Eastland and with me, working with Hruska, Gurney, and Cook, we'll just have to have them fight every step of the way because
1:13:56Kennedy and Tunney are going to run wild.
1:13:57They're going to try and force Peter to say, by reason of my relationship with the President of the United States, I'm not able to respond to your question.
1:14:05That's what they're going to try and force him to do.
1:14:07So we'll have to try and get Eastland to gavel, to rule that the question is not germane.
1:14:12It's not within me.
1:14:14The price of the bird amount motion, it's not within the weather and spirit of the bird motion, nor is it consistent with the... Well, our own members are going to have to get up and say that.
1:14:22They're going to have to get up and say it, Mr. Chairman.
1:14:25I'm going to have to make a committee vote on it.
1:14:28Like, for example, what kind of questions you mean are not in the...
1:14:36I had plenty of that answer as much as he could, though.
1:14:38I mean, I wouldn't be too goddamned.
1:14:41I mean, before the executive purpose would mean anything to anybody.
1:14:47We all laughed.
1:14:48I mean, we know it wouldn't be allowed to have a district around there, but these guys just made a goddamn bit of difference in my vision.
1:14:56And I think you ought to play at having him appear to be doing that, but don't get caught in that way where he refuses.
1:15:04Right.
1:15:04It looks like himself.
1:15:06It looks like there's a man.
1:15:07Peter just came down to my office on my request, Mr. President.
1:15:11And I've been crossing them.
1:15:13Good.
1:15:13And I've been trying to coach him.
1:15:15It's hard to coach.
1:15:16It's hard.
1:15:18Well, I'm sure it's, you know, the days when you were trying lawsuits and I was trying lawsuits.
1:15:22No, I didn't try anything.
1:15:23I knew, but I had witnesses on the board of congressional committees, and I ought to imagine, and I don't know how to imagine him, and Peter is not very subtle in that.
1:15:33I said, Peter, you know you can be forceful without anybody criticizing you, being arrogant.
1:15:39And I asked him some questions, and he responded, and I said, that's an arrogant response.
1:15:44He said, it is not.
1:15:45And I said, it will be so treated by the senators, and you don't want to do that.
1:15:50Good for you.
1:15:53Chappie Rose and Bryce Harlow and I are going to have an extended session with Peter tomorrow.
1:15:57But I talked to Dee Bradford before coming in and said, well, I don't want to answer your questions.
1:16:06What kind of things you don't want to answer?
1:16:10What is it about other things, airlines and things?
1:16:13No, no, I don't want to answer questions about the background.
1:16:22the unhappiness throughout the Nixon administration with McLaren and his stiff neck.
1:16:28Oh, yeah.
1:16:28Stiff neck, Dan, I trust.
1:16:29It's certainly true.
1:16:30It's true, but... Well, it's true that the whole, and I trust many, we all talked about it, Peter, that it was purely a matter, including everybody, of Arthur Burns, who was then using, we all talked about it, because of his being very detrimentally kind.
1:16:48That's sort of... That's a principal matter.
1:16:50I'm not sure that that's too bad.
1:16:52It didn't matter in principle.
1:16:55There should be a lot of arguments about whether antitrust should apply to the maintenance and so forth.
1:17:01You could say, well, it's a tangible matter.
1:17:02I know it's hard.
1:17:05Well, I've had it.
1:17:06You should say that's a yes.
1:17:08There was quite a debate being on both sides of it
1:17:13Whether it paid you so long or not, the question is not whether it's big business or little business, but good business, a little of that jazz.
1:17:21I'm going to have to immerse myself in the answer that you gave in that question and answer session with the press that you had here, when you said, if we'd wanted to help IBT, we'd have done nothing.
1:17:33Which is just like the Kennedy and Johnson.
1:17:34Oh, I wanted to get that.
1:17:36And incidentally, if you would, and I assume you've done it, find out how much ID&D grew in the Kennedy-Johnson years and give him the figures.
1:17:45Will you have that?
1:17:46Yes, I will.
1:17:47I'll pay for books.
1:17:48I've heard that it grew by so many.
1:17:50so many billions of dollars, hundreds of billions of dollars.
1:17:53How many acquisitions it made in those years.
1:17:55Give me some statistics.
1:17:56I wouldn't have that for my customers or I would use it.
1:17:59How many acquisitions?
1:18:00How many companies did it acquire?
1:18:02How big did it grow in that period?
1:18:04From that to that.
1:18:06And then, what this administration, and the fact that absolutely nothing, whatever, was done about it or any other conglomerate in those years.
1:18:14This administration started the conglomerate thing.
1:18:18And on that respect,
1:18:19We've made our record.
1:19:03I think that would be very impressive.
1:19:05I'm just laying it right off.
1:19:06It shows that he knows something about it.
1:19:08Nothing happened in that period.
1:19:10This administration did this and that.
1:19:12Now, there was certainly a lot of debate about the wisdom of this policy.
1:19:19And there was, wasn't there?
1:19:20And there was.
1:19:22I don't think you can deny that because there are a lot of pitch fleets over in the Justice Department that know very well that I was raised in hell.
1:19:28Not only I, Conley was raised in hell.
1:19:31Spanx was raised in hell.
1:19:32As a matter of fact, Mr. President, it's a helpful point in the broad sweep of things.
1:19:39Yeah.
1:19:41It puts in better context.
1:19:43Yeah.
1:19:44the consent decree by which we, a part of which we, uh, required.
1:19:48I know.
1:19:48He was in my office when I was a congressman on the Anti-Trust Subcommittee, telling me that by God he couldn't understand how a Nixon administration would be doing this.
1:20:14get planning in the state something like that, too.
1:20:18But I also suggest that he should say, very frankly, that there was, as far as any influence was concerned, that the Justice Department's decision went against it.
1:20:31Well, that wasn't a White House influence.
1:20:34It was within the administration, Secretary of the Treasury.
1:20:38Secretary of Commerce, others, because they were concerned about the economy, the Council for Economic Advices, you could say that.
1:20:44They were concerned about the attack on business, the whole question of conglomerates.
1:20:49As a matter of fact, if I do remember the time I went through, there were lead articles in most of the magazines about the attack on conglomerates in the Sunday South.
1:20:59Do you remember?
1:21:01Was it right or wrong?
1:21:02It was wrong, and they were right.
1:21:04You see my point?
1:21:04The financial patience of every major newspaper.
1:21:07But my point is, I think you can say it, and that's what all this was about.
1:21:11And this administration, with great credit, went forward.
1:21:17We've got a defense to consent.
1:21:18And the stock has never recovered again.
1:21:22Make the point switch, which we've already made.
1:21:26Here's his chance to get it out.
1:21:28Let me put it this way.
1:21:31The whole case on I and T and T failed as far.
1:21:37Unless I and T and T got something, which they wouldn't have gotten.
1:21:42You see, the point I made when one of these fellows said, what is the, what do you believe is the, it's sort of a loaded question, what do you think is the proper
1:22:00White House aide or in talking to somebody who is like a lobbyist or the rest.
1:22:08I said, the question is, he says he's got to talk to everybody.
1:22:11The question is, does he get something in proper?
1:22:14I mean, but we have to have our doors open to everybody.
1:22:17We've got our doors open to labor unions.
1:22:18We've got our doors, look for Christchurch.
1:22:21He ought to make the point.
1:22:22Gentlemen, the networks have been down here beating us over the head, lobbying us against
1:22:29This suit, anti-trust suit, brought to the Justice Department on the networks.
1:22:34We listened to them.
1:22:36And on the other hand, because we didn't want to be repressed in the realm, we've gone forward.
1:22:41The labor unions, the universities, we hear from everybody, you know.
1:22:48The point is, the doors open to everybody.
1:22:50Black pockets.
1:22:51That isn't appropriate now, but I just can't...
1:22:53I've seen so many blacks in front of me years.
1:22:58I asked Peter to come down a while ago because I said, Peter, I think you're getting a little rattled here, and you're losing sight of the fact that this settlement was by all, by every standard, one which was a great victory for the government.
1:23:14Well, frankly, Peter, let me tell you my own view of it.
1:23:18I think the settlement was wrong.
1:23:21I opposed the going after the migrants.
1:23:24I opposed it because
1:23:25It was the theory of the little pipsqueaks in the Antitrust Division that bigness is wrong in and of itself.
1:23:31That I do not believe.
1:23:33I have never believed that.
1:23:34I don't believe that General Motors is bad because it's big.
1:23:37I believe General Motors is bad if it uses its bigness for wrong purposes.
1:23:43You see what I mean?
1:23:44Oh, the other thing he should say.
1:23:46He should say, now, I got one more other thing, speaking of newspapers.
1:23:51I want you to know that as a president's assistant,
1:23:55and all the members of the White House staff, we have been barraged by representatives of the media with regard to the postal rates that newspapers and news magazines would have to pay.
1:24:08We have been barraged with regard to the antitrust actions, you see, which would not allow some of these newspaper mergers, you know, the newspaper...
1:24:21Exactly.
1:24:23They have been in here and we have listened to all of them.
1:24:26We've tried to make arrangements.
1:24:27I think you should point out that we hear from all these people.
1:24:30The newspapers have been in.
1:24:31The television networks have been in.
1:24:34They have been in, the television networks, talking about their antitrust business.
1:24:39They do come in.
1:24:40We send them over to the department.
1:24:43In this case,
1:24:49all we do is to it's a business of the white house staff to pass these things on to the appropriate department and that department then makes the recommendations decisions made but then so far as insofar as the purists and the anti-trust field are concerned i.t and t was the first major conglomerate decision wasn't that
1:25:13or decree, I don't know.
1:25:14It was.
1:25:15It was.
1:25:15It was, I can say so.
1:25:16It was.
1:25:17And then, and then, and then say, and actually, Mr. McLaren, and I wouldn't say that we're proud, but he said Mr. McLaren and Dean Crystal are very, are very justified in being proud of their role in this because they did, they were under very, very pressures, very, very pressures to do nothing about IDP.
1:25:39Just as the Johnson administration
1:25:41and the Kennedy administration did nothing about IT&T.
1:25:45They were under great pressure to do nothing about IT&T, just as the Johnson administration and the Kennedy administration did nothing about IT&T when it was becoming the huge block that it was.
1:25:54In other words, attack the business name of it.
1:26:00Well, actually, I said that was just an off-the-cuff answer.
1:26:03I prepared a little bit when I was in the school president, but that's the way to hammer these factions.
1:26:08Hammer it right back into their throats.
1:26:11And you see, you really come down to it.
1:26:14So did the Sheraton agree to get $400,000?
1:26:16Did they talk to various people in the White House staff about their settlement?
1:26:22And the whole point is this.
1:26:24If they did, that, of course, is very interesting.
1:26:28But the big question in government, did something wrong occur?
1:26:32Did they get something?
1:26:34And the point is, goddammit, they didn't get anything.
1:26:36Janine contributed to the campaign.
1:26:38What did he get?
1:26:38He got a kick in the ass.
1:26:40That's the thing, isn't it?
1:26:42That's exactly the way he put it to me.
1:26:44That's right.
1:26:44That's right.
1:26:46Well, he felt honored.
1:26:48He never talked to me, but he talked to a lot of people around here.
1:26:51But I would think, Clark, that you'd make a pretty good case there.
1:26:53And I played hard.
1:26:56And Peter will do all right.
1:26:58He'll do all right.
1:26:59If he just doesn't stammer about it too much, I'd like to answer your goddamn questions.
1:27:08And I've also told him, Mr. President, I think before you answer, Peter's planning it.
1:27:14And I must say, that's one of my failings.
1:27:17I said, listen, you're a lawyer.
1:27:19You see, he isn't a lawyer.
1:27:20I don't mean that there aren't a lot of lawyers in the state, but it's all after all, Tony and Kennedy are lawyers, too.
1:27:27I'll lay you money if you look at their law school records and we're both lousy.
1:27:31What do you think?
1:27:32I don't require an exam.
1:27:33They even got through law school.
1:27:34They're not very, very talented.
1:27:36No, I served with them.
1:27:36Mischievous bastards.
1:27:37I served with Tony in the house.
1:27:39Well, he's likely.
1:27:40Very likely.
1:27:41And I don't know about Teddy Kennedy in law school, but I remember that he had to hire somebody to take an exam for him because he was going to flunk.
1:27:48And he got thrown out of it.
1:27:50Well, that was too busy for him.
1:27:58We're having a lot of fun, Mr. President, throughout the country.
1:28:00I had a little fun in Minneapolis last night.
1:28:02Were you out there?
1:28:03Yeah, I left at 7.30 last night and got back here at 12.30 today.
1:28:06Very hard.
1:28:07Well, I spoke to a Republican group there last night.
1:28:09Sorry.
1:28:10They were in trouble, and I tried to charge them up.
1:28:12And I spoke at a NAB breakfast this morning.
1:28:14It was a regional kickoff.
1:28:15Had 600 people at it.
1:28:17Great.
1:28:18And I talked about, of course, your meeting a week ago yesterday.
1:28:21But my point...
1:28:27I didn't get enough sleep last night.
1:28:31People out there ask me, whatever prompted Teddy Kennedy to put in that bill making Chappaquiddick a national park?
1:28:37You've heard about that, haven't you?
1:28:43I got a call, Mr. President.
1:28:44In fact, it was the same day that you met last with the leaders.
1:28:47We had Bill Minshaw of Ohio down here as a wild card.
1:28:49And Bill called me.
1:28:50He hadn't been back in his office more than half an hour.
1:28:52And he said, Clark, drop everything you're doing.
1:28:54He got the congressional record for yesterday, which was April 11th.
1:28:58And he said, look at these two pages.
1:29:00And I said, okay, I'll write down the page numbers.
1:29:01That's all he said.
1:29:03So I went and got the congressional record.
1:29:06Some staff member took some work up.
1:29:11You know, he's got 60 people on his staff.
1:29:14Somebody who was... Why did he want to do it?
1:29:16He didn't pay attention to it.
1:29:18He didn't know what he was doing.
1:29:19Let me say another thing, too, that when you're working on this thing, when I got close to them,
1:29:36Don't be concerned about the Vietnam thing.
1:29:38This is a time to kick those bastards hard because they're on the wrong side of this one.
1:29:43You can't be on the side of the enemy when the enemy is a baby.
1:29:47And they are wrong.
1:29:48And we've got a few cards we haven't played yet.
1:29:50I'll tell you what they are in a minute.
1:29:53Just let me tell you, this is one time when we should be on the offensive.
1:29:56I can murder those bastards.
1:29:58They're going to be sorry.
1:29:59Their faces are going to be awful red.
1:30:01NBC TV caught me this morning after this, as I was walking out of this and had breakfast, and they asked about Clint Easton.
1:30:10I said, well, you asked me, is he going to be confirmed?
1:30:13I said, that depends on how much politics the Democrats want to play with it.
1:30:16I said, there's no question what he should be confirmed is that the link is established and that he will be confirmed.
1:30:20Then they asked me about, is the president taking tremendous risks in bombing Hanoi and Haiphong?
1:30:26And I said, you know, there are always risks to be taken for peace.
1:30:31And this president, as he said in his inaugural address, is going to take risks for peace.
1:30:34Look what he's accomplished already.
1:30:36Take a look at the Middle East.
1:30:37Take a look at the agreements that we have reached or are on the verge of reaching with the Soviet Union with respect to Europe.
1:30:43Look at Berlin.
1:30:44Look at the opening of the People's Republic of China.
1:30:46All of these moves take risks.
1:30:47I said, thank God we've got a president that got to take some risks for the cause of peace.
1:30:52The thing we've got to do in this one, though, is to put what the Democratic does in a position that basically the position that almost kept Jefferson from being president
1:31:13Back in the period when Jefferson and Abbott were having it out, Jefferson got too much on the side of the enemy.
1:31:18You know what I mean?
1:31:18And Abbott was on the side of the war party and so forth, and Jefferson was on the side of the enemy, on the radical center.
1:31:30It almost defeated them.
1:31:31But the Alien and Sedition Acts were them.
1:31:35The Federalists overplayed their hands, and as you resolved, Jefferson slipped in.
1:31:39But he just won by a very little, even as it was.
1:31:45Throughout American history, a man can be very popular being against war, being very, very popular in his element.
1:31:53But let me tell you, in the long run, you don't win being against your country.
1:31:57You can't win being against your guys.
1:32:00In this period of Johnsonism and the rest, that's a different matter.
1:32:04When we have withdrawn 500,000, when we've made a peace offer, when they answer that with an invasion, a massive invasion, then you say, we can be proud of young Americans that are risking their lives to help people defend themselves from a massive communist invasion and take over their country.
1:32:25I believe you can kill these guys with that.
1:32:27And ask them, call the Democrats.
1:32:29I'd like to see one of these Democratic critics stand up and just once criticize the communist enemy for other than our American fighting men.
1:32:38Why don't they criticize the communist enemy?
1:32:41I'm going to kill them all as you watch.
1:32:43Mr. President, will you please know my sister-in-law last night I stayed at my brother's home.
1:32:51And she's a precinct chairwoman
1:32:55Oh, good.
1:32:56My brother's been formerly, was formerly county chairman, but his wife is now doing public work.
1:33:02She said, Clark, did you get a chance to see Bill Rogers on television?
1:33:06You probably didn't.
1:33:07She said, you probably didn't.
1:33:08And I said, no, and I wish I had.
1:33:09I just had no opportunity to this morning.
1:33:12She said, he was wanted.
1:33:13Good.
1:33:14You'll be sure to call Bill and tell him so.
1:33:16Did you do that?
1:33:17No, I will, sir.
1:33:17I should have.
1:33:18You call it.
1:33:19You see, there was one you know, Clark, who likes his life, like we all do, but he doesn't like to step up to the heart.
1:33:28You know what I mean?
1:33:29He did well yesterday morning.
1:33:31No, no, no.
1:33:32I did very well.
1:33:33But my point is, he's been in the bombshell over a couple of weeks, but he came out yesterday swinging high because otherwise he'd lost him.
1:33:39And he handled it extremely well.
1:33:42But in order to keep him and fight him, you've got to call him and say, gee, well, that was great, but keep up the good work.
1:33:50Call him right away.
1:33:51Tell him that you told me and that I had told you to pass it on to him.
1:33:55Just say it exactly that way.
1:33:56I will.
1:33:56I'll do it precisely.
1:33:57He'll appreciate it.
1:33:58Bill is great because, and you see, Mel is expected to be cognizant, but Bill is expected to be nice.
1:34:06And when he gets up and slaps the bastards, it helps.
1:34:10See?
1:34:10It sure does.
1:34:11Oh, yeah.
1:34:14And when will this committee finish today, Clark, do you think?
1:34:21I thought they'd be through about now, Mr. President.
1:34:23They went into executive session at 20 minutes to 3.
1:34:28It's been almost three hours.
1:34:31But the rumors creeping out is that Kennedy and Tunney were just raising hell at what they considered to be, they called Sam Ervin's turnabout.
1:34:40They were saying, if we're going to have Flanagan, we've got to have Timmons, Erlichman.
1:34:43Oh, shit.
1:34:44And Ervin said, look, why don't we finish the hearings?
1:34:49Well, Ervin had said that Flanagan was enough.
1:34:52Tunney and Kennedy were arguing with Ervin.
1:34:57in the committee claiming that Irvin had turned around 180 degrees on them, and they were claiming foul play.
1:35:04I wish we had somebody in the committee who was as mean as they were.
1:35:14Marlowe's capable of it.
1:35:14He is capable of it.
1:35:15He sometimes is, but not always.
1:35:17Ed Gurney's capable of being tough.
1:35:19Well, Gurney's a good, strong man.
1:35:21He's a very good man, and I've seen that.
1:35:25Had to be very tough.
1:35:25In fact, Ed's very strong on the Vietnam thing.
1:35:28Oh, I know.
1:35:28He's a lawyer.
1:35:29Very strong.
1:35:30In fact, he wants to take them out, though.
1:35:37But I'll be getting a report, maybe I've got one already from Wally Johnson.
1:35:40He's been standing by up there to talk to Roman to insist that we go with, if we can, to go with the Reineke and Hilliard lawyers to keep Gleason off the stand if we can.
1:35:51Yeah, Gleason.
1:35:53sort of a landmine.
1:35:54It goes on and on.
1:35:54I don't worry about these things.
1:35:56They'll go, so it'll be something else.
1:36:00But I think there's no reason to have police on it.
1:36:04And it makes a very good reason that Kilimanjaro and the others were flying back.
1:36:09They're taking the flight all night.
1:36:11Who's going to raise the question?
1:36:12Who will raise that?
1:36:14We'll call their counsel then.
1:36:15I've asked Roman Roscoe to do it.
1:36:17I got a handwritten note to Roman.
1:36:19I handed it to him in the committee to raise it with the chairman.
1:36:23as soon as they finish with Seward, to put Heineken-Gillingwaters on because they actually canceled an industrial conference.
1:36:31They postponed it 24 hours, and they have to get back Thursday.
1:36:39And they're taking the red-eyed Californians from San Francisco tonight so as to be here at 6, 10 in the morning.
1:36:47Just don't lie unless you have to.
1:36:51That was a fun one, though.
1:36:52Well, thank you for that one.
1:36:55Thank you for that one.
1:36:56You never know what the Senate will teach about that irresponsibility.
1:37:01Look at that war car.
1:37:02And what they came up with, that monstrosity.
1:37:05Well, that can't become law.
1:37:06You know that.
1:37:07They know it, too.
1:37:08It's terrible.
1:37:10And Republicans voted for the goddamn thing, as well as Democrats.
1:37:13Where the hell is the responsibility of this country, Clark?
1:37:16Why, these people, the Senate.
1:37:18Are some of the senators going to be ashamed of their goddamn bodies?
1:37:22I would think they would.
1:37:22I really would.
1:37:23At least you've got to say this for Lyndon Johnson.
1:37:26He ran the Senate when he was there.
1:37:30He got something done.
1:37:31Weiner, Tickman, you think that?
1:37:32Am I wrong?
1:37:33No, you're not.
1:37:35It's getting to be.
1:37:36That Foreign Relations Committee is an utter disgrace.
1:37:40I mentioned only George Aitken.
1:37:42Old George, 80 years old.
1:37:44Ordered against Aitken.
1:37:47An unbelievable bill at this time.
1:37:53No, I must say, Mr. President, there's no way of saying it yet.
1:37:58I have no regrets at all about losing the election.
1:38:01Of course, I hate to lose.
1:38:03I'm a very poor loser.
1:38:05But I must say, I appreciated the opportunity to do something which is much more important than being a freshman senator.
1:38:12Oh, yes, yes.
1:38:14This is very important.
1:38:15I appreciate it, too.
1:38:17You're in hell of a battle, and you don't know how long you'll be fighting, but at least we're going to be on the line.
1:38:23No, I think some of the senators are...
1:38:27Someone discussed it with the senator's body.
1:38:29I think that's one of the reasons why they leave it so often, and why they aren't there to do that job, right?
1:38:35It's unbelievable.
1:38:36Am I just going to take off?
1:38:37Yeah, I don't know how much time I spent trying to get senators just to stay on the job.
1:38:42Thank you very much.
1:38:44All right.
1:38:44All right.
1:38:45Would you like to take this?

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