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I think that's good.

John Earl said he was ready to discuss the MIT matter with you.

He did.

If I remember any words.

Do you know whether they finished the pandas or not?

I believe she's back.

How did it work?

Were you able to get up to them?

Did you pat them or anything like that?

Did they allow that or how does it work?

Yeah.

But did they get a good picture of them?

It got a lot of interest, but how did the people enjoy it?

I just, you know, I didn't, I got that even the press was pleased.

Isn't that great?

Oh, they'll come back and get them.

That would be great.

Well, let me just find out.

Can you do anything?

Yes, I found out we've already done something.

We went through this currently once before.

Oh, I know.

We got 30% off.

And we can slice everything except a Defense Department program that I don't know anything about.

For the developmental laser, a laser gun to hit satellites.

Okay, well...

Then the only question is, how do you want to do the rest of it?

The rest of it amounts to $31 million.

And we can, yep, that's all.

Well, that's still a lot of money.

It's to them.

It'll be everything.

No, thank you.

No, I'm going to have to do a little thing.

I've got to make a speech.

Oh, good.

I want this.

I believe I'm taking a hard look at the next year's budget to see if Georgia's figure is going to kill it.

But I want you to look at it.

This is something you can follow up on.

I think higher education is a disaster in this country.

I just think we're subsidizing it too goddamn much.

And I really want to jump the hill on that.

That means science, you know, that kind of thing.

It's just a substitute for left-wing professors, you know what, right?

Right.

And David may break his resignation, but that's all right.

Well, we've got to rejigger that whole science thing.

It's awful.

It's incestuous.

It's unbelievable how they just kind of pat each other.

But I want the science thing cut.

Let's cut that 50%.

Let's just make a...

Or is that too late?

I don't know.

I just don't know what the numbers are.

Let me find out.

I'll cut it at 33.

I will.

I'm going to take the budget basis.

George has raised the budget question.

Now, I'm going to start with this.

What would you do on this?

Well, I'd say I'm surprised the numbers are as low as they are, but it's partly accountable for the fact that we've been doing some of this as we've gone through.

Now, there's two ways of going on this.

One is... What is this, a direct subsidy?

Well, it's the ATWS contracts up there...

Transportation has contracts up there, and they've got research of different kinds going on.

Plus, there's grants for assistance and all that kind of stuff.

All the grants are out, period.

I've asked CAP to inventory everything that this $31 million goes for on a list.

We don't have any way of getting that by just punching a button.

So it'll be Monday.

They work on it.

I understand.

I'm just trying to get it done.

But I also would like to see it done for other schools, too.

I just don't kind of understand it.

All right.

Stanford, the whole goddamn project.

Let's go ahead.

All right.

That's my opinion.

So that it is not picking them out.

But I just think across the board, we're going to start getting this higher education.

The grants are going to go down.

The grants are out.

I've got two ways to go on this.

And one of them

would be to just sort of fight cancellation of existing contracts, but there's penalty clauses and we catch lawsuits.

The other is to just wait two months and not refund them again.

See, we're at the end of the fiscal year.

How do you avoid them?

Well, we just pass instructions to all these departments that contract.

Contract number 31-509 will not be refunded.

All right, fine.

Let's do that.

Get this ready.

Tell Pat what I want to do, what I want to do for our business, and that includes everybody, even the University of Chicago.

I don't care what it is.

There are going to be no more grants, period, for any teaching assistants of any kind, and so forth and so on.

I mean, we're going to have an austerity budget.

I did Bob, or George, look at George's memo.

I saw it.

Come on.

And we've got it on a sturdy budget.

And one place we've got to cut like that was in education.

Now, not in the, I'm not going to say not any place, but I know higher education is the place to cut, Jonathan.

we'll we'll get at this figure out all the whole thing figure out how to do all the grants all the teaching assistance is going to be that whole damn uh business of the uh of the national science foundation that's great what do you think sir i'm all for it yeah because i you know 16 million dollars a year going into that

Well, of course, your argument that they will make on the other side is, well, this is basic research, and this is essential for this or the other thing.

But there are other ways of getting that.

You know, get McGruder on, is he still with us?

Oh, yes.

Well, get McGruder to say, look, we want to take the hell out of this.

Put it in the restaurant.

We'll be laughing, Peterson will be laughing.

I am not going to give in this time.

I'm not going to give in.

It's like a light cap, you know.

Well, that's for sure.

Just because it's cutting.

In fact, he's very enthusiastic on that.

He jumped right in.

Tell him I want to deliver the whole country, okay.

And slice it up.

Now, get also, does he have the National Science Foundation figures in on this?

No, this just goes to MIT.

The National Science Foundation?

Yes, from the whole government.

You sure?

Yes, sir.

Because I asked him about this, and I said, now, what kinds of things are in here?

And he gave me a description, and I'm sure National Science Foundation did 31.

Now, they have a management contract that's not in here.

They manage Lincoln Labs, but that's a cost-less contract, so it wouldn't be any scale.

As a matter of fact, we have trouble keeping these managers, so I understand.

That's kind of, you know, I understand.

I understand.

But the thing that hits them in the gut is this grants for teachings.

If those are finished, don't you question the decision?

No, I think that's fine.

I think there will be a point beyond which

you can't go.

An irreducible minimum.

Well, because, sure, it's like laser.

That I understand.

But, I mean, there will also be irreducible minimums in some other areas.

I just think, on an individual basis, you'll agree we don't want to cut a particular thing that's going on.

I don't know what they might be.

But rather than to just...

If you start looking for exceptions, that's the problem.

You'll end up with doing nothing.

Well, okay.

I'll make sure we don't

All right, you know what I mean?

Tell Cap that I want these.

Cap is pretty good at this.

He's excellent.

And I just want you to leave a little tiny loophole.

I've been leaving loopholes and very little has been done.

Okay.

Well, we'll cut this one's head off for sure.

And I agree with you.

And I just, and I do it two months from now, I'll start a refund.

And then let them, they come down here and just let them talk to the secretary.

Yeah, I agree with you.

Fine.

I mean, Lois,

Faster than a stand-up.

That's the way we'll handle it.

Okay.

What are you speaking to, then?

American Enterprise Institute.

Oh, it's the Lourdes Conservatives over there.

Right.

Good.

I've hired them to do a lot of studies.

Yeah.

So, so... And so that way, uh, the, uh, they seem to need your exercise yesterday, and we'll get the police to do what's worth doing.

Good local coverage.

A little national blood went out on the wires, and Colson's going to take a reading now on how much of the feed was used by the regional stations.

Yeah.

And we'll give the old people just how to do these things.

Well, how much is used is, don't we concern that some, how much is used or how little is used?

Let me say this, sir, two useful words.

One, clearly, a lot of under pressure, those sons of bitches out for us.

That's worth doing it for.

Did I say clearly?

The second point is that how much you get

networks and so forth, it depends on what other news there is out there.

Yesterday they got the war news, they got the IDT news, and they got the economic news, who calmly made a speech, and so what the hell.

You know very well how little we get.

So my point is, just keep feeding it in.

You've also got my view about the Saturday Sunday story.

I want a Sunday story every week, every Saturday.

There's an interesting thing that happened yesterday.

It certainly wasn't by contrivance.

But I went in there and I laid an hour of facts on them, which they might not have used.

You went out and did a two-minute picture.

And so what we got was the picture.

And then a whole lot of text about crime rates and about the LEAA and about all kinds of stuff.

I watched all of the feed here.

And somehow or another, if we can figure out those combinations.

Figure out a way to get a picture.

Yeah.

And make a museum.

That's it.

And I can load the text on it.

You don't have to go out and do any more than you did yesterday, which was, you know, you said cut it in half, and that was a little easy.

And save the city.

Yep.

Good picture.

And then they carried a tremendous amount of the industry.

We'll think it through and see what kind of combinations we can work.