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And I think we were given an ashtray or... What was the ashtray for?

An ashtray for their wives.

Okay, do you want me to interrupt on this?

No.

Colson.

Yes, I want to see you.

Good to see you.

You've got to beat these guys down, Mr. President.

This has been this.

If you mind sitting here in this chair.

I think you all should know that the church, other than the city, and the church, and all the other distinguished guests when they come back here, before you get to the start of this, you know,

throw his weight around about that, I should have reminded him.

One of the fellows recently sat in my chair and hung on the address.

So don't feel too good about that.

I'd like to do that, because my commission is getting ready for an order to the IA board this morning.

Oh, you did?

Yeah.

You meant the people were all there?

Yeah.

That's why we .

Keep the east coast .

Well, I appreciate your work on that.

It's a miserable job.

And I look forward to the day when we can have those darn controls off.

They can't stay.

They can only work beyond for a certain time.

And then you've just got to let the market take care of these things.

Don't you agree?

I agree with you wholeheartedly.

What about your own contracts that you don't have anything that's, I trust, that's coming up?

Yes, we have.

Vice President Sessom has got that Chicago contract, which it seems a couple of my associates on the board wants to contest.

The Z-Rays contract fell in between his dates, fell in between ours and Max's for three months.

How many of you are socialists?

I shouldn't be asking this.

You're going to have to board.

We've checked into a week.

You know what I mean?

I think the less controversy we can have over these things, the better.

Right now, I mean, particularly in the retroactivity business.

The one out there on the West Coast was just a little more, I mean, small because it had gone on so long.

I mean, I don't know.

I don't blame Bridges.

I really think it's true, you know.

As long as what you were talking about, he thought the radicals took over.

Yeah, he said that all the time.

This is the last time I get to hear you.

Well, I just want to say while you're here, that I'm very grateful for the

not so much to the administration, but basically to the country in terms of this whole area of foreign policy.

I'm not surprised at that, because I remember going clear back to the days that they backed up mine very well and had great respect for it.

My god, he was a patriot.

I think that was a favorite time.

I do kind of go along and see a brave, deep gravel truck with a Nixon stare on it, and a guy waving to me, and, goodbye, I'll make sure he's all right.

But apart from that, what's the most important thing, really, is that we need people at a time when there's many Saudis in this country who have a vigorous dedication

principles of, which is the basic character that we need.

And your followers, your followers, whenever the issue has come up in terms of a strong American or a weak American, an American that's going to surrender, an American that's going to see something true, you call us to come up on the right side.

And I appreciate it.

Your statement was excellent the other day.

One of the few guys, we've got to say this for George, I mean, he's been a private, I paid him fairly, he's been

and had been very good at this in this particular case.

He got with him.

Well, he will later, but in his heart, I don't think he would have fallen like this, this McGarrett or anything, huh?

Could be.

You can't buy the concepts.

That's right.

And all the things that made me a little sick to my stomach as far as I'm at today's show, and I see this.

Dave, let me see if I can get a statement.

Who's Dave?

He's with Mr. 61.

He's right here.

He's with Mr. 65 from the office.

Is he dangerous?

No, no, no.

No, no.

Okay.

He's one of those these friends.

He's, uh... You're on.

No, uh...

I see.

He's the... Oh!

He's the fellow with the Gibbons and... Oh, oh, yeah.

He's begging us to come into the team's desk.

He's in my office maybe at the end of the day.

You're pretty good.

What's he supporting?

Ray, he got out of his time.

I had to miss that because I had to catch him in the plane.

Don't say that.

He's our guy the wrong way.

Our bad bro played this morning.

He said, what's his name?

The high monkey monkey.

Are you cute?

What the hell are you doing?

He says that he sat there and told us that he was for a coalition government as far as the thing was concerned with the independents.

They didn't want no communist government.

And he made that statement.

Well, that bum told me the same thing when I left Washington Monday.

I met him on the plane going back to New York.

He told me the same thing.

And I tore into him a little bit on the way back to the class.

I said, how the hell did you get that line?

That's why they brought him.

Yeah, and I said, how the hell did you get to get him?

Was there coal?

I wonder how some people...

They don't have anybody but the people they think are their friends.

They don't have that expectation.

And as far as coalition government, no, they have a lot of coalition government.

They simply mean that they want one.

There's never been a coalition government with the communists.

The communists didn't take over.

That's right.

You know, you just got one of those.

You can't have a coalition.

You know that.

You've got to throw them out.

We just meant to do that.

We can't.

We're going to try.

Oh, they're working.

Are you in the world where, is that what it is?

Well, I think it's better if you get an accident.

I don't know.

But, uh, that's another thing.

Well, speaking of the ILO, that's one thing.

I'm trying to, I'm trying to support financial support.

We're giving them.

They're actually using our money to advance the situation.

Well, I mean, let me say one thing that I want you folks to have in mind, you know, in politics

I think it's very, very bad for Trump and the Lakers to be in the pocket of one political party.

I think it's a mistake for the Lakers always to endorse a Democratic candidate.

I realize a lot of Lakers are Democrats, and I'm not more than a Republican.

That's just all I can say.

My point is that as long as I'm trying to do in this administration,

where we have our doors open to everybody that wants to support our principles.

And that's the reason that I'm very fortunate to have this relationship.

I remember the first time he came in and we had a picture taken of the flag.

This is before you were elected.

Uh, we, uh, we want to have a, uh, we don't want this impression that this administration is pro-big business and hanging on to labor and all that stuff.

And the only way we can do it, frankly, is to have a good relationship with the major leaders and put them right on the table, and that's what we'd like to have.

And Vince and I have got a good personal relationship.

What I want to do with the Vice President is sit here and write it for me.

He's a great guy.

You know, the thing I always wondered about is that I don't know whether there are problems.

I'm not trying to get into their business, but it seems to me that the construction trades, the building trades, the teachers have got so much in common that they really ought to be, you know,

Like that.

I don't know.

We are in Chicago.

You are.

You work close to us.

We are.

They're a great bunch of guys.

Those are really good folks.

I think Pete Brennan and the y'all over the years have been terrific.

In fact, we were just talking about it this morning.

I don't know him.

I've met him.

I'm a rocky-nosed clown.

He's a pretty good fellow, too, isn't he?

Yes.

He's the head of the center.

He's president.

He's president of the building trade.

The building is in Chicago?

Oh, yes.

We worked together about 200 years ago when he came on his vice president.

He was a real American.

They tried to get me to .

I sat around here, got a little jittery with Life magazine and CBS was,

As for his resignation, I didn't give political liability.

I threw him out of the office.

I said, look here.

I said, there's an old sheriff, 76, but I said, as long as he feels he can do his job, as long as I can get him to do the job, I'm not going to drag him out.

He's going to go where he wants.

It wasn't a great thing, but it was a great way to go.

But I stood up for him.

I said, in a bragging way, it was the right thing to do.

By golly, I don't believe that when a man is under fire, particularly, I tell you, I would never go against it.

Now, if a guy isn't under fire, you should not talk about it with him.

Yes, but when a man like that who's cared for 50 years of his life for the service of this country is under fire by these left-wingers, by golly, that just made me dug in harder.

But you think it's right?

Oh, I think it's right.

I thought it was right.

We got a good man.

It's a temporary appointment, but I'm sure he was a good man.

Ray, I got to know him.

He was Admiral Radford's administrative assistant as well.

By age, I mean.

And Radford was a tough, strong, as you know, chief of camera at the time, chief of staff at that time.

He was a very immediate man.

And Pat Gray, he was a young officer.

Very big.

A guy you can talk to.

He'll run a bureau well, I'm sure.

You can chat in case something devolves.

Yes, sir.

I just had .

And any time there's any problems that you want to discuss with me, you can talk to me.

Very confidential.

It is a first-class thing.

He'll be totally non-voteable, totally fair.

And you can talk to him, I'm sure.

He's from Atlanta.

He's from Atlanta, Connecticut.

Yeah, he's from Connecticut.

Years ago, after the Navy was going through the politics, he said, lawyer, he didn't.

Well, in a sense, he didn't.

He was going to be a dictator in general.

But you like him.

It's your reason why you're trying to follow him.

Yeah, that's what you want.

Joe T, the vice president, was telling us this morning that he believes in kind of a subtle stance towards the

I was telling him about the incident.

I already saw the word St. Patrick's Cathedral.

We got an invitation, my wife and I, to attend Mass that Sunday.

It was the beginning of the Charity and Educational Appeal that Sunday.

So we got this invitation to go.

And the leader and I went.

And you know how a leader is.

I've got a wife who's as timid as a... We got in front of the cathedral.

I got sick with my stomach aching, see?

Well, I couldn't resist it.

We were a little early, and I said, wait for me on the steps.

And I just walked with one of them, by the way, you know, and carried signs, what does the church do in the bottom of it, and stop the killing, and all this shit, see?

I'm just furious.

So I walked with one of them, and I just laced them into it, see?

How ashamed I am of being a Catholic.

You should be ashamed of yourself, and so on and so forth.

Well, we got through this, and of course Anita's watching me, and she's saying, Joe T., come on, it's getting close to 10 o'clock, you know.

Well, we couldn't do too much then, but then I was wishing I had some of my guys there to do a little talent parade, if you know what I mean.

But we couldn't.

When you did the church, I was telling these fellas, five minutes in the car, I was there, and the bishop had celebrated the ransom, because he had his vote.

The nuns did?

The crowd was more of the people, you see.

Yes.

I'll tell you, sick to my stomach.

I wasn't worried.

They had a couple of guys from the labor patrol there, and did I know what happened?

Frankly, I'll tell you, I just said to him, I said, well, no, I like him.

You know why?

I can't understand it enough.

It's just a label.

You know what happened to Mark Vietnam in 1954 with the Communist Party?

Jesus Christ.

The Communist murder started, according to the Catholic bishop

When they, if they, if we were to just walk out and turn it over, it's obvious to the communists, can you imagine what they're going to do?

But you see, my biggest problem is that we can't tell that to a lot of people.

That's it.

You know, this is what's bothering me today.

I'm not kidding.

See, this is what's bothering me.

I know how I feel.

But this is what's bothering me.

We can't do this.

How the hell do we settle to it?

See?

Well, we're going to do it.

We're going to do it.

Where are we in this?

We just can't let the counties take over, you know?

It just becomes a little problem.

We've just got to get some good groups.

The same way as you say it.

Count up Beck and then .

You want to speak in the money.

Yeah.

Very good.

Down the beach.

Yeah.

Let me repeat that.

I appreciate it.

I got a present for you, please.

I was going to tell you another story, but this is the other day.

I had a little dinner earlier for the retired members of the House and Senate.

about 36,000 men.

One of them was John Sherman Hoover of Kentucky, very decent probably, a little soft on some things, but a good man, a good man with a good heart.

And he's a great story-teller.

He's from the hills of Kentucky.

And John was telling a story about this old Kentucky couple.

They'd been married 55 years.

And they were sitting out on the porch at their house.

And it was one of those lovely,

back in the old days.

He was flippin', she was nippin'.

So he finally turns and we go to her and she says, you know, I'm proud of you.

She put her big hearing aid on one of her ears and says, what's that?

And he said again, I am proud of you.

I can't hear you.

He said, I'm proud of you.

Put her hearing aid on one of her ears and said,

On car, you too.

That's pretty good.

Well, you can tell that with anything.

For your wives, this is the presidential ashtray.