{"conversationCode":"720-006","tapeNumber":720,"conversationNumber":6,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-720-006","startDateTime":"1972-05-05T15:40:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1972-05-05T15:46:00.000Z","startDate":"5-May-1972","startTime":"11:40 AM","endDate":"5-May-1972","endTime":"11:46 AM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Rauscher, Frank J.; Richardson, Elliot L.; Cole, Kenneth R., Jr.; Cavanaugh, James H.; White House photographer;","description":"On May 5, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon, Frank J. Rauscher, Elliot L. Richardson, Kenneth R. Cole, Jr., James H. Cavanaugh, and White House photographer met in the Oval Office of the White House from 11:40 am to 11:46 am. 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Cavanaugh; the White House photographer and members of the press were present at the\nbeginning of the meeting.\n\n      The President’s schedule\n           -Previous meeting with the President’s Foreign Intelligence Advisory Board [PFIAB]\n\n      Greetings\n           -Rauscher\n                -Accomplishments\n\n      Photograph\n           -Arrangements\n\n      Steuben crystal [“Star of the President”]\n           -Walter H. Annenberg gift\n\n      [Photograph session]\n\n      Cancer program\n          -President's support\n                -Instructions to Rauscher\n                -New approaches\n                      -Other health fields\n          -Concentration of resources\n\n      Gifts\n              -Cuff links\n                   -New set\n\n      Congress\n          -Duplicity\n          -Health program\n          -Revenue sharing\n          -Welfare reform\n          -Social Security\n          -Spending policies\n\nRauscher, et al., left at 11:46 am.","filename":["720a.mp3","720b.mp3"],"tapeStart":"01:27:24","tapeEnd":"01:33:59","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. 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it."},{"start":5286.06,"end":5286.56,"text":"I know you now."},{"start":5286.58,"end":5291.33,"text":"It's great to have a young man like you on the show."},{"start":5291.55,"end":5292.49,"text":"Thank you for your compliment."},{"start":5293.01,"end":5296.35,"text":"Why is it distinguished as a woman with a ten-ounce standing?"},{"start":5296.39,"end":5301.39,"text":"She was chosen to be a spot in something you're old for."},{"start":5301.41,"end":5301.89,"text":"Come on over here."},{"start":5301.93,"end":5302.29,"text":"What's that?"},{"start":5302.67,"end":5303.31,"text":"Yes, sir."},{"start":5303.75,"end":5303.99,"text":"Press 1."},{"start":5304.05,"end":5304.17,"text":"Press 2."},{"start":5304.27,"end":5304.77,"text":"Oh, sure."},{"start":5304.8,"end":5306.22,"text":"That's what it used to be in it, too."},{"start":5307.56,"end":5314.28,"text":"Well, and, uh, say, Doctor, uh, I think you should be in the middle here."},{"start":5314.58,"end":5317.8,"text":"I'm treating the two of us."},{"start":5317.88,"end":5318.97,"text":"You're the man."},{"start":5318.98,"end":5321.49,"text":"I've got to get a move with each of that stuff."},{"start":5321.51,"end":5323.39,"text":"Yeah, that's, uh, a gift of Walter Annenberg."},{"start":5323.43,"end":5325.79,"text":"It's made by a student."},{"start":5325.83,"end":5327.63,"text":"He had, he decided to make it."},{"start":5327.65,"end":5332.27,"text":"So, we put it on the desk."},{"start":5335.38,"end":5336.94,"text":"I'm going to have to come up with a new video."},{"start":5336.96,"end":5338.7,"text":"I'm going to have to come up with a new video."},{"start":5366.63,"end":5366.87,"text":"Thank you."},{"start":5382.62,"end":5396.31,"text":"One thing that's not very bad about this, is that we have a very, very good, very good, very good, very good, very good, very good, very good, very good, very good."},{"start":5399.97,"end":5414.96,"text":"Oh, yeah."},{"start":5415.14,"end":5416.04,"text":"Thank you."},{"start":5449.98,"end":5451.28,"text":"I just felt right now."},{"start":5451.32,"end":5453.39,"text":"That's why we need you."},{"start":5454.05,"end":5456.93,"text":"I mean, we're totally back to you."},{"start":5457.29,"end":5458.19,"text":"I know you're not."},{"start":5458.23,"end":5460.51,"text":"I'm clear that the secretary's back to you."},{"start":5460.53,"end":5464.7,"text":"You won't hear from me except to, you know, our team."},{"start":5467.08,"end":5481.28,"text":"I want you, wherever you go when you make a speech, I mean, in terms of poetic license, and you can say that I, in society, you can say that I am disgusted, that I feel this way, that this is a, that the President cannot, of course, concentrate on."},{"start":5482.6,"end":5486.6,"text":"on every particular field of society."},{"start":5486.64,"end":5493.86,"text":"And every illness affects society."},{"start":5493.88,"end":5495.66,"text":"And there are so many others."},{"start":5495.68,"end":5498.76,"text":"But we have selected this as the target of it."},{"start":5498.78,"end":5499.54,"text":"And we're going after it."},{"start":5499.56,"end":5502.23,"text":"And if this kind of approach works here, we're going to try in other fields."},{"start":5502.24,"end":5502.86,"text":"That's another good point."},{"start":5502.89,"end":5508.81,"text":"So that people that are interested in heart disease and arthritis and all the rest say, why are you just doing it for cancer?"},{"start":5508.87,"end":5508.93,"text":"Yes."},{"start":5508.95,"end":5509.85,"text":"But this is a program."},{"start":5510.43,"end":5515.59,"text":"It works here, this concentration of money and effort and talent works here, which I'm excellent at."},{"start":5515.73,"end":5517.17,"text":"I'll do it when I share it with you."},{"start":5517.25,"end":5517.71,"text":"All right."},{"start":5517.77,"end":5520.59,"text":"Your confidence will not be displaced."},{"start":5521.07,"end":5522.05,"text":"We'll do it."},{"start":5522.07,"end":5523.73,"text":"We're going to do it."},{"start":5523.77,"end":5524.33,"text":"Thanks very much."},{"start":5525.53,"end":5527.65,"text":"Gosh, I'm so proud of you."},{"start":5527.67,"end":5530.11,"text":"Well, we have some new presidential conflicts here."},{"start":5530.13,"end":5531.43,"text":"That's the seal."},{"start":5534.53,"end":5535.69,"text":"Thank you very much."},{"start":5535.73,"end":5536.33,"text":"Thank you."},{"start":5559.26,"end":5561.36,"text":"I can't even get along with the instructors."},{"start":5561.5,"end":5562.14,"text":"I don't know."},{"start":5562.16,"end":5562.44,"text":"I can't."},{"start":5562.74,"end":5564.8,"text":"Isn't it awkward that I do?"},{"start":5564.9,"end":5565.6,"text":"Unbelievable."},{"start":5565.66,"end":5566.36,"text":"Unbelievable."},{"start":5567.08,"end":5567.54,"text":"They're total."},{"start":5567.56,"end":5568.16,"text":"I mean, my 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