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You thought you might have some heart to take a stab.

And he says he doesn't feel like this.

Shocked.

You see, Bob, this is such a shocker, and it's so profound and strong that you just haven't got anybody to understand it, except you can, that could do it with heart.

I mean, Andrew just couldn't bring himself to this one.

I mean, Sapphire, and Sapphire, she's too cute.

She's too cute.

It sure can't be cute.

It's got to be very simple and elemental.

I'm going to try to do a lot of it myself.

Let me see, and then I'll see how I get along.

It's today, Freddie.

Listen, I'll work on it tomorrow.

And then, frankly, if I get bugged out by a guy, I may just try it.

It was awful.

The other time what I did was to basically dictate the graph, you know, the graph outline, and he did some good polishing at this time.

I'm sorry, I'm horrified at what they were trying to do with that, because I'm afraid it's going to get large and put in every record.

That can't be done.

I just don't think we want all that in there.

Henry should brief on that the next day.

You know what I mean?

Let it be the follow-up.

I just think we've got to say that we have offered this and that and the other thing.

I can tell you to just say it, and the American people are going to believe you on it.

But now we've come to the point that they've turned down everything.

And I decided to bring the Lord in there.

I'm going to do it right now.

Blocking.

Do you have any thoughts about who the doctor is?

I think my thought is Andrews.

I think he can step up if he's told to do.

I think he's more likely to do what you tell him to do.

Yeah.

And this one, you're not looking for creative input because you know what you want to say and what you want to say.

Bye.

but I could just tell them that John did.

Or Bill, or both, for that matter.

Or me and him.

OK.

I'll tell you, you can use Andrews, but I think you should have him talk to him before.

You could say, no, I don't care.

It's going to be a decision that you're not going to agree with.

I mean, you may not agree with me.

But it's a very profound thing, and so forth and so on.

If you were to be solely there for the purpose of

questions about basically substance, substances reciting and so forth and so on.

I was getting the report of those

I said, where are you going to sign this?

Two easy things.

Dr. Baker said, well, he said that I should make a speech to the American people.

And I thought, you know, this thing would be a lot of fun.

And I said, well, let me tell you something.

If I make that speech, I'll get some.

But I said, when the heads of the American universities, when the three with the great television networks, when they have press boards in this country, including the Los Angeles Times,

When they, over and over, are going to hand them to the public and say, what do you expect young people to do?

And I said, where is the leader class?

And I ran through them, and I said, here are your university presidents.

Here are your U.S. legislators, except for Billy Graham, or Crowe.

Here are your press lords, except for the people out in the country, the ones that aren't quite as up to the name.

And here are your...

I said, where is your guts in this country?

I said, you know, I met someone yesterday.

I said, I met a fellow on the Fifth of Seminoles.

I said, you wouldn't like him.

He's a thieves and billows guy.

He's in a bad labor union and so forth.

And he had a guy by the name of Joe Teave, I think, who was a labor leader from that.

But I said, and I can say the same for George.

I mean, these guys have got guts.

I said, they aren't the nice people that you all associate with that you go around silly martinis with.

Oh, yeah, that's all right.

and a water in place and that's when they shot him.

They shot him and he was hurt beyond his skin.

He said, well, he wasn't sure that he could agree with them.

I mean, no, he said, when he died, he talked to me sometime about, he said, I said, no.

I said, it's the American people.

But the leader class is still American, and the Rockefeller stuff, and he said, you're right.

He said, but he said, on the other hand, these leaders will start following you.

But they began to think that they're out of step.

And then Murphy, and Murphy went into the, well, you've got to realize, you know, I was saying back to the China trip that happened so short, and I hope that you're right.

I couldn't agree more.

I said, let's have an illusion, so that

They need to hear Bob.

They need to hear the truth.

Truly, what the hell do they expect you?

Why should I get up and lecture them and then give $50 million to MIT when the president of MIT comes out against the United States using his air car against military targets only to stop a Congress invasion and doesn't say a goddamn word about the invasion, which has already killed 50,000 civilians?

See that one?

Okay, you can talk to Andrews.

We had a family plans for our annual weekend at Williamsburg going down this afternoon.

Do you think I should be up there at Camp David?

I don't know.

I'd be glad to.

No, no.

I'll come back.

Early on Sunday, because things will start, well, we'll start getting, I guess we won't, we can't do anything until Monday.

But not until Sunday night.

There isn't much point in getting back before that.

You're just going to have to suffer with it.

And also, Monday morning is when you've got to do the, I've got to get everybody together.

Unless you want to do it Sunday night for your own convenience, so you don't have to be bothered on Monday, which may be disappointing.

Well, I'll have to, you've got the problem, too, with the breathing.

I thought for that breathing, Henry, I think that, I think I should just breathe the big four this time.

I don't, let me explain why.

You know, I just don't want a bull riding church chapel in here.

It would be hard enough in the main field.

And, uh,

And then let Rogers breathe the foreign relations types, and let Blair breathe the armed services types.

That's the only one.

Maybe we'll, you know, maybe we'll have to find him after that.

Sure.

He doesn't.

That's the only one.

All right.

I need to get back to six.

Maybe you're right.

Whatever they do, fine.

But on the region, we can have a whole goddamn lot of them down here.

But I just think that the less I have to do, the better.

I've got to be good with the television.

Well, I don't think you have to sell us one.

That you have to sell it.

Why don't you have to tell us?

Because I think that's what I mean.

I think others should do it.

It's a person's line of action.

Oh, yeah.

You've got to say it's not recent.

You've got an interesting thing.

You know, the doves in it.

On the Cooper, on the Case Church, Case Church deal, Case Cooper deal, there, Case Cooper, not Case Cooper, whatever that amendment is, the Cooper, Case Church, Case Church amendment, there was a Cooper Church amendment, now it's a Case Church amendment.

which is to cut off all funds for the war at the end of the year, which is an amendment to the State Department procuration stuff.

We've been pushing for a vote because we can defeat it.

The Doves have now put it over, but then we would lose that immediately.

The Mansfield would be arguing with the commercial goods.

They've put it over because they're afraid to get a vote on the thing now.

They did not want to vote after the negotiations broke down, see.

That's what we're hearing.

Well, they broke down yesterday and they put it off last night.

And the reason they did our guys' thing is because they're scared, they're worried about the situation there of the fact that we are losing.

The negotiations were broken off.

It's like the summit making.

See, there's these stories that the summit may not come off.

You know, it's the spectrum type stuff.

And they're afraid they'll be blamed for getting any of those things happening.

And therefore, in a sense, the bad news is working in our favor for the moment.

We are going to blame them.

That's why our guys were debating whether they ought not to force the vote.

But our hawks don't want to eat him.

Can we do this?

Can we get some stories out saying that the Democrats are right and mortal risk here?

Yes.

Will you try that?

We're heavy on it.

We've done some stuff.

We can set mortal risk because the Democrats are right.

It's clear that the enemy's refusal to negotiate is due to the back of the Senate doves and the House doves that are giving them encouragement.

Now Bob, I want this done this time.

I really want to follow up on it.

It has been a little more.

I know they've tried.

Oh, they've got it.

I keep this stuff, you know, they've been here, said they're going to vet me in.

Well, let's keep it.

Let's get it done.

Get it on the network.

And that...

and also that they're aiding and abetting and that they're encouraging the enemy and not another Vietnam to continue their lynching by their attacks on the president.

That the responsibility here, that these people who got us into the war are going to take the responsibility for losing the war, now are giving their most to lose the war.

Let somebody get in there.

It's got to be rough speeches, rough speeches.

I can't, I just can't get across in the sense that you're making, it's a goddamn rough, that they'll have to do it.

They're doing, say, treason or anything.

No, I, I was, I just thought that this is a good group, you know, except for that Paul Murphy, who's a little soft.

Oh, I look, you know, he's not, but he, I don't want to have him come in and gas run.

He's not going to tell me.

But my point is,

He just got to understand that, by God, Bob, the American leader class has lost its guts.

And I included businessmen.

I said, not the mainstream businessmen, but I said, your elite businessmen, they want to trade with China and trade with Russia.

They don't see the communists and they don't understand the problem.

It's absolutely right.

But I thought it was good that, you know, he would actually get through it.

Because I said, then I finally concluded, I said, you know, the real problem in this country is not the American people.

It's us.

We're the legal clients.

We're the ones who are going to go to America.

So I wish you as much credit for that.

Thank you.

He's a great guy.

You know, I'm really right, though, about the facts they say.

Why he has better weapons and so forth.

The Russians basically have better weapons.

You know why?

Our fucking scientists will not work on weapons.

Do you realize that?

Yeah, we've got a hell of a lot of them at home.

That's right.

The Russians, the best Russian scientists work on weapons.

The best American scientists now refuse to.

Well, a lot of them do.

It's interesting, though, that even at MIT, where you have a fiscal court president, they had a faculty...

resolution to stop more research and more production stuff and the faculty voted it down 200 and something to 81 you know why money hell yes

looking into the cancer yeah if i were you i'd go to go to gladesburg earlier it's lovely

to be on standby.

You know, I had, uh, I had Henry Lane Polk here, and I had Henry, I had, and Rose, and, yeah, Rose was going.

He was having his second thoughts on everything today.

Yeah, I'm telling you.

That was the evening before.

I think it was before, but he's...

I'm trying to...

I'm trying to tell how I can see you.

I can see you.

Here's our friend from this year's evening.

How are you?

Great.

Let's go over here and get a picture of this, shall we?

All of this wonderful work you put in this.

I saw that 120 hours.

You'll get here in a minute like this.

And I'll tell you on that side, the one that you put in the back picture.