Nixon, Rockefeller & Olivarez on Population control and Abortion

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He's a great photographer.

Now, let's see, we've got a few little gimmicks for you here and there.

See, you've got a pair of cups on your shoulders.

That's me or Todd.

I mean, you've got to wear a cup.

And these are little bows for each of you.

Oh, I'm sorry.

That's right.

Have one ready and give it to a friend.

That's the seal.

There's the seal.

There's always a way to stop it.

That's right.

So there it is.

That's the seal.

So that's your badge being in the White House.

Thank you.

We wish you the best.

We appreciate it all along.

Get everybody back on the stuff.

I mean, you know, the good stuff.

Thank you.

Thank you very much.

Goodbye.

Okay, so it's time to leave the show for five minutes, but John Rockefeller and that group of people are going to meet soon, so it's a little bit longer than so.

All right, so would you like me to interrupt?

Bring me your coffee and bring the chairs over here.

It's all right, I'll bring them in.

Okay, all right.

Okay, I'll just tell you to leave it.

All right, how are you?

I just had a meeting with your brother.

Okay, so now we have this room.

Yes, how are you?

How are you?

Why don't we have a quick picture first, and then we'll sit down and have a chat.

Over here, let's see.

You and Rebecca, let's go in here and do the other stuff.

How's that?

All right, now show us your face.

He is handsome, isn't he?

No, no, you're also not.

You sit here.

And shoot a picture of our city, too.

We're going to need copies of these.

So you can prove it to me.

Good luck.

So we're going to have to cross these things.

This is not what I was going to do.

Well, you have finished your work.

Let me say, I have a...

I want you to be sure to tell Mrs. Chandler that you're talking to her.

Because she was here with the editor.

She said, I want you to be sure.

I want you to be sure that you can see our population.

And I said, listen, you can be sure that we will.

And I said, yeah, very soon.

So if you will, I'm going to call.

I think the important thing that I wanted to mention to you, I think that you were all already aware of, is that, as you know, we started this with

It was a pretty good message, actually.

I've got to give one hand most of the credit for it.

He did a lot of the writing.

Pat went ahead and did my MP.

Is that right?

Yes, sir.

Pat did.

Pat was involved in that work.

And that was his major trust.

He just felt so strongly on this subject.

Anyway, and we're working on it.

Having started, there is one area that is, as you know, extremely delicate and sensitive, where I have taken a position.

This is a matter which, of course, everybody will understand, because you'll have your own connection, of course, discussion.

The main trust should be that as far as the goal is concerned, and the goal of getting that I set forth in that message to the Congress, the population commission and the administration are working toward the same goal.

We may have some disagreement about means.

And of course, we're going to take this senator to the budget, the mayor to the budget, and all the rest, and get the AGW and all the other agencies to give their comments.

service by grabbing this terribly controversial product.

It's controversial.

Take it when you get it to me.

It's not an ad.

Everybody says, what do you do?

Of course, of course it should be done.

Then I go, yeah, how do you do it?

Uh, you guys talk.

But you grab it with it.

You never, uh, not that.

And as Secretary Richardson pointed out, it's the first time the problem's been approached so broadly in terms of government, in terms of the economy, in terms of resources and pollution, in terms of distribution.

No, no.

Really?

You stayed after that?

That's right.

We made that.

I know you were interested in that problem.

Well, I'd be more in that much more.

Well, you know, this place is... You see, it's...

But at least what we do here, the fact that we have a policy that we're trying maybe in some ways to implement.

You see, you look at some of the terrible problems facing the black American, not the black American actually, if they would ever break into the same country that you're in.

the way it's running, congesting these great cities, Rio, Apollo, Buenos Aires, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.

It's got a terrible population problem.

Africa is not a particularly problem, I mean, because it's big and it has lots of rules over the future.

But when you look at India, when you look at China,

Of course, the Japanese are going to worry about that.

They're going to handle it.

They are going to handle it.

And the Chinese are worried about theirs.

India may be insoluble.

It may be insoluble because of the enormous political conflict.

While this has got to be in the leadership, we're all working on it.

The Pakistanis, of course, are working on it.

We get more and more aid, and they get poorer and poorer.

But Mrs. Krause admits that Mrs. Gandhi never speaks about it in her speeches.

It's really amazing.

She won't tackle it, huh?

No, she believes in it.

No, I don't.

She doesn't.

She really believes in it, but not consider it.

Let me just say one thing.

What we are going to do is form a citizen's committee.

All right.

And I was talking to Pat Moynihan.

Bill Graver, if you will.

But Pat Moynihan has agreed to take an active part.

And we talked with Mr. Berlichman, and we'll be in touch with Mr. Richardson, which is on the left, too.

And I thought we'd be sure that we would work on this in the months ahead, and then maybe at the end of the year, you'd let us come back.

I will.

And maybe have it part of your second term program.

And there's been more time to do that.

You'll have a citizens' commission.

You'll continue your work.

Exactly.

To do follow-up.

Be sure to be at the West Coast of Jefferson, too.

Now, this commission was very representative of almost every state.

Now, I think that commission was very well balanced.

And let me say, I honestly think that the younger members under 30 and minority members made a very real contribution to it.

It's a different report because of our being there.

It's good that you brought them in.

I mean, the participation, I mean, actually, the minority members have to participate because it has to do a great deal with all of them.

That's right.

And, you know, it's very tough.

That's the system.

those folks, because they're part of their establishment.

But here, you bring in minority members, and they face some of those problems that they have to deal with.

And the younger members, of course, won't have much of a problem selling that.

But they would like it.

They would like it, perhaps.

That's right.

But Mr. Pratt, why can't it be done quicker?

Yeah, I know.

But we do want to thank you for your leadership on this and that message particularly, and thank you for bringing us into being.

It's been a privilege to do this for you and with you.

Right, right.

Thank you, Mr. Director, for increasing our donations.

Yeah.

And we will hope then to maybe see you again.

At the end of the year, I'd like to see another report on this.

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