Nixon, Haldeman & Kissinger on Vietnam War and Naval blockade

2:30:04I see, fine.
2:30:06Well, if you'd like to stop in for 10 minutes before you go, you might do that at your adventure, whatever you're doing.
2:32:24What I would do is come right on a Sunday morning.
2:32:26I see no reason to do that.
2:32:27Well, by then we ought to start putting the planning together.
2:32:31Until then, there's not much we can do anyway.
2:32:34But I'd like to get back to Maine at that point.
2:32:37But I don't think there'd be any problem being gone now, you know?
2:32:48Good to talk to you, Andrews.
2:32:52He kind of laughed.
2:32:53He said, I think the president has a mistaken view of me because my hair goes down over my collar.
2:33:07He just can't help it.
2:33:12He doesn't realize.
2:33:13He doesn't realize.
2:33:20and we have to reach out to the price theory of consensus that we are the confrontation.
2:33:26And see, he's learning that.
2:33:27Because he said, I wasn't sure whether, you know, he said, I'm not trained as a politician.
2:33:35My question is really whether to compromise on something.
2:33:41And I said, well, the key thing you've got to learn is that compromise is a useful tool sometimes, but that the key to success is to know when not to compromise and to stand firm.
2:33:53And he said, that's one thing I'm learning at a rapid rate at age 28.
2:34:01And he kind of shook his head and he said, you know, there's pretty heady stuff being called in to write this kind of thing for the President of the United States at my age.
2:34:10No, sir.
2:34:13I did not tell him anything.
2:34:14I didn't even tell him it was about Vietnam.
2:34:18I just told him it was very hard on him.
2:34:20I just said you had – you wanted me to be up there at noon tomorrow, that you were going to be working on something you wanted him to help on, that it may involve some decisions with which the President feels you may not agree, but he wants it understood that he's not – he doesn't want any questioning on substance on this, that your job is to work on the form and rhetoric and so forth.
2:34:45That's all I'll tell him.
2:34:46He has no idea that it's a boy.
2:34:48And I've told him he's not going to tell anybody, including Ray or anybody else that he's going or why he's going.
2:34:55See, that's why I think Andrews has over both Ray and Sapphire.
2:34:59They just can't resist.
2:35:01Like, Ray always clears things up.
2:35:02He talks to them.
2:35:05And Sapphire clears everybody.
2:35:07You know what I mean?
2:35:08He just feels he's got to.
2:35:10And by God, they're not going to do that.
2:35:12I'll listen.
2:35:13Yes, sir.
2:35:13I really think, in a sense, that the conversation made a very significant contribution to this decision, where you've got to see more clearly the point.
2:35:19We'll let the Russians break it up.
2:35:34You see, I, that was when I was young Henry, because I felt that Henry, and he really was, wanted to break off his son because of his irritation at what they had done to him.
2:35:44Remember, that is the people who, and that was the factor.
2:35:47There's no what you think it was.
2:35:48Sure it was.
2:35:49Well, I got a little discomfort.
2:35:50It's an understandable factor, but it's not an excusable one because it isn't the basis for doing it.
2:35:54The other thing was my own bad judgment and saying, well, don't let the Russians break it off.
2:35:57We ought to break it off.
2:36:04It makes all that difference.
2:36:05The Russians break it off.
2:36:07They can calmly say, well, I got there, but I didn't dance with the sun.
2:36:13They'll say that you're the black dance.
2:36:14Oh, yeah, me, you know what I'm saying?
2:36:16What we did destroyed the sun.
2:36:17Yeah.
2:36:19That's what they do.
2:36:21Yeah.
2:36:21We do.
2:36:21We just give us the code.
2:36:24Although, it will certainly, it will certainly, it will lose a fellow like Frank Hartnett right off the ball.
2:36:29Because he's so obsessed, as he told you earlier in World War II, I remember the conversation about China.
2:36:33He said, you know, everybody talks about China.
2:36:36Everybody's fascinated with it.
2:36:38Everybody believes it.
2:36:39Now, I explained it to him.
2:36:41I said, you know, people are protracted for all reasons.
2:36:44Not people, but the leader class.
2:36:46They think, well, finally, this next, this old hardline communist finally got over it.
2:36:49No, no, no.
2:36:50and I left that after all.
2:36:51It must have taken three days to get a little father.
2:36:59That's what it's about.
2:37:01That's what the Chinese communists are dedicated fanatics who are out to get us someday.
2:37:07But right now, they fear Russia more than they do us.
2:37:09So we're doing that.
2:37:10I said, now, that's the priority.
2:37:11I said, probably, of course, we've got to get hold of people that we can get along with.
2:37:15You know, I didn't want to crack that, too.
2:37:22But I just don't want, I don't want sophisticated people in my presence that says they're, yeah, oh, shit, about the fact that they did great, that we went over and had this wonderful glass table with Joe and I.
2:37:32But that they believe it.
2:37:35They believe it.
2:37:37They think it was.
2:37:40And they also think that it means friction.
2:37:43Yeah.
2:37:43They also think it means that that is why we are not
2:37:51it's fine for the public to think that but but us leaving many decisions must never remain in a state of thinking that typically a couple of glasses is going to change the world but a lot this is roger's problem roger's brilliant sometimes it is sometimes he's he's such a mixed bag at this time i think on the one hand he's you know always you know he's always saying how
2:38:15Henry's solid now.
2:38:42It's been changing.
2:38:43And I think he does the right thing.
2:38:44He questions our concern.
2:38:44I called over afterwards last night.
2:38:45Bob, I know all the names.
2:38:46It's got to be questioned.
2:38:46I know all the names.
2:38:47I know that we're going to catch up.
2:38:48I know particularly none of the firsts.
2:38:49So Mike, we'll have some public support if we can.
2:38:50How much, I don't know.
2:38:50I think you'll have tremendous public support.
2:38:51I know.
2:38:52I'm not so sure.
2:38:52And I think you'll catch up.
2:38:53Very little will have to come.
2:38:53Well, I'm not so sure about that.
2:38:54My point is, you'll catch up in the meeting.
2:38:55It's not a joke.
2:38:55No Russians cancel the summit.
2:39:12Okay, I'm talking about on your first announcement.
2:39:16When you come out with the iPhone.
2:39:19I don't think it's that much.
2:39:24Anyhow.
2:39:25If I were you, I'd be like, is that my voice?
2:39:29I'd be like, is that my voice?
2:39:31I'd be like, is that my voice?
2:39:40yesterday so the experts have covered both sides and also
2:40:05And I said, Henry, I'll be the one who's going to try and save the summit.
2:40:10And you know, Henry was ready to sing it.
2:40:11And you know, he sang it without .
2:40:14So my point is that I said, let's just remember the Soviet summit is an armistice report .
2:40:21But Vietnam, unfortunately, here's fatal.
2:40:26It's .
2:40:27So I'm going to do that with mine.
2:40:31One of them gets seriously damaged.
2:40:33The other can kill us.
2:40:34And so under the circumstances, we cannot lose in Vietnam, and we ain't going to.
2:40:38It would be better now, I said, especially at what point we'll possibly win in Vietnam.
2:40:41Bonnie and I are sure to go.
2:40:48But it might not.
2:40:50A blockade, once you determine and determine to see if it's true, will, because eventually they crush if you do the bonding too.
2:40:59When I talk about a blockade, I'm talking about mining, bombing, everything.
2:41:04The bonding is an imperfect exercise because you can't get everything.
2:41:10They can't.
2:41:11They shouldn't because of what we dropped, but they don't.
2:41:15But the blockade, you've got to put a cork in the top of the bottle.
2:41:20You've got no way to pour anything in.
2:41:21Where's the second one?
2:41:29I know the third one.
2:41:29Yeah, I know the third one.
2:41:31He's in Idaho.
2:41:32He said he was listening to Frank Murphy.
2:41:34I'm excited to meet him, actually.
2:41:40I don't know whether Frank Page was there.
2:41:42He was at that dinner last night.
2:41:44He said, as a Democrat, but he said to me after dinner, he said, I want you to know that as a Democrat, I am of the view that the only salvation for this country is the election of the president.
2:41:59And there is no conceivable alternative.
2:42:02And I think... No, I think you'll do anything you want.
2:42:07Yeah, yeah.
2:42:14and also what the charge now said.
2:42:16I came in this morning, really, it was a very, very violent exercise.
2:42:21The child scared me to death.
2:42:23He scared me to death, and he's right.
2:42:28But Nelson's great.
2:42:30He said, by God, you're very fortunate.
2:42:33He came in afterwards and said,
2:42:36The president gave a great speech.
2:42:38He said he admires your equanimity, what must be a very trying week.
2:42:43And he said if what happened in Paris was what the newspapers report, he hopes you will now blockade North Vietnam, he said.
2:42:52And the country will keep a sigh of relief that they have a strong leader.
2:42:57And, well, I'll tell you one thing.
2:43:01Nelson is just great.
2:43:02I was just thinking about this.
2:43:04Nelson would be an almost impossible handle in administration.
2:43:15If you have Nelson with Henry,
2:43:30I think Nelson's problem, he sees something, he's just so full of ideas, open skies, all these other things, you know what I mean?
2:43:38And he runs with his damn set.
2:43:41And on the other hand, the man has the right of gut reactions.
2:43:45You agree with that?
2:43:46Because this morning, I must say, this people, I told them a very interesting thing.
2:43:51I said, I described after they had gone through the most hard way then,
2:44:01Let me go back in and have a minute of your attention.
2:44:06I was supposed to have that in mind.
2:44:07Maybe there was one, sir.
2:44:09I didn't recognize you.
2:44:09I didn't know any staff or who it was in the government or any of the people I know.
2:44:14No, no, I wasn't in the government.
2:44:15There was an accident back here.
2:44:16It must have been all right.
2:44:18I told you it was not.
2:44:20Jack had his thoughts.
2:44:21But anyway, this follow-up was in the meeting.
2:44:23My people didn't have a lot of thoughts, but there hadn't been any leak out of my office.
2:44:26A point that I may have become very eager to do a follow-up with you, sir.
2:44:36First of all, I gave them uninsured help.
2:44:37I said, now, you were all talking about strategic weapons, open skies, and all the rest.
2:44:41All of this is terribly important.
2:44:42I said, I want this board as a system to make a thorough study of the conventional horses in the United States.
2:45:05and to look at the weaknesses that are shown on those horses in Vietnam.
2:45:09And I said, even though they're 13 weapons, they have bigger and better tanks.
2:45:16They have bigger and better guns.
2:45:18They point out that they, in 1970, point out the danger of a Stalag missile or whatever it is, a truck, and it took five planes and shot down the missile array.
2:45:26Then I said, do you realize that the whole Nixon boundary rises or falls depending upon whether the weapons we furnish are equal to the weapons the Soviet furnishes?
2:45:42I said, do you realize that in the Mideast, and I hit that hard, I said, I, if I were in Israel, I would be damn worried at the present time about the quality of the weapons.
2:45:49I told him about the conversation with the Turk.
2:45:52Well, he said, I recognize good as theirs.
2:45:54And I said, Western Europe, I said, just quit having this malarkey around here.
2:45:58I said, at the present time, the Western American conventional weapons are not up to theirs.
2:46:04I said, I ought to study this thing.
2:46:05That ended with that.
2:46:10They went through Dr. Baker and his team.
2:46:11He said to me that that's not true.
2:46:12And they called me.
2:46:13And I told our director, David Baker, my teacher, and said, we need some scientists.
2:46:16We need to work with the scientists and develop some of these new programs and so forth.
2:46:22And Tyler said, you need to do this and that.
2:46:26And then I just broke the game.
2:46:30I said, bring it again.
2:46:32I said, and tell everybody.
2:46:35I said, bring it again.
2:46:36I said, when the president of MIT comes out against
2:46:40presidents, the only, shall we say, quote, worthwhile or respected colleges and universities, comes out strongly against the use of American air power as military targets and is totally silent with regard to massive Soviet arms being used in a massive invasion of a neighboring country.
2:47:05What the hell do you expect from those students?
2:47:09Where are you going to get it when they're back?
2:47:10Where are you going to get it across the country?
2:47:22Because one of them came on, and it was Murphy.
2:47:25He said, well, the president makes speech for the country.
2:47:30And quite often, we have the Soviet thing.
2:47:31And then some of these young people would then, scientists and others, would be available for this kind of work.
2:47:37And I said, not just a man.
2:47:38I could make that speak.
2:47:39And I'll get some of them.
2:47:43But in fact, they hear from the president of the United States.
2:47:45They have a drumbeat from the university presidents, from the university faculty, from the university associate professors, from the media, from the press boards, including the Los Angeles Times.
2:47:57Did you say that?
2:47:58Yes, good.
2:47:59I said that they have a drumbeat from the Newsweek and Time and the three major networks.
2:48:05And the New York Times and the Washington Post, all the papers that both matter, end quote.
2:48:10What do you think?
2:48:11I said, we can't blame the young people, the young scientists, we've got to blame ourselves.
2:48:14We've got to blame ourselves.
2:48:37We
2:48:38And he said, I don't have the same equation.
2:48:41I said, I want to.
2:48:42I made these decisions.
2:48:46I had a universal opposition from all of the publications that quote, count, end quote.
2:48:50And that's true.
2:48:51From Time, New Street, The New York Times, Washington Post, and the three networks.
2:48:56Second, and I said the Los Angeles Times, too, in some occasion.
2:48:58Second, I said in addition to that,
2:49:07We have had universal opposition of the leaders of the universities and educational institutions that hold them in common.
2:49:17Third, except for a Billy Graham on the Protestant side and a Cardinal Crow on the Catholic side, we have had strong opposition from the more fashionable religious leaders in this country.
2:49:30I said, as far as the business leaders are concerned, I said, oh yes, mainstream businessmen across the country, many of them.
2:49:38But as far as the business elite, I didn't mention the business council.
2:49:41I should have, with the exception of three.
2:49:43They're all ministers here, too.
2:49:45The major day business people are playing winners.
2:49:47They want us to trade with the Soviet Union.
2:49:49They want us to trade with communist China.
2:49:50They're thinking of all the sewing machines and the types of clothes they can sell to them.
2:49:56But they don't want to hear this news that we have this kind of competition.
2:50:01I said, you wonder, who does support us?
2:50:04He said, I'll tell you.
2:50:05I said, they're the nuns.
2:50:06He said, those farmers out there.
2:50:08He got some of those.
2:50:10Those Southerners that you call racists.
2:50:12I said, well, you couldn't have even run this country without the support of John Spence and Jim Eastman and David Russell and the others.
2:50:18Some of them are dead.
2:50:21And I have to say, I didn't think of all those things.
2:50:25You realize, at the present time,
2:50:29As far as the leader class is concerned, the only members of the leader class, the majority of which are supporters, are some people that all of you in this room either despise or at least do not respect.
2:50:40I said, I found out something yesterday.
2:50:44I said, follow me on this.
2:50:46And you had another call from the head of the vice president of New York called Joe T. And then another call from the head of the vice president of Chicago called Peter DeGioia.
2:50:55And they had all of Boston by the name of a lag.
2:50:58So I said, these were the heads of the teams, Drew.
2:51:01And instead of a jargon, I said, Peter, that would have taken the same line.
2:51:04I said, they can't use good grammar.
2:51:06They have lousy educations.
2:51:07But they've all got guts and spine.
2:51:09And the business is going to be lax.
2:51:11And the education is going to be lax.
2:51:14And the great press lords lag.
2:51:16And the religious leaders lag.
2:51:19And I said, now, let us make time.
2:51:23but the fault of this country fails is not going to be the fault of its people.
2:51:29I said, Wells and others in this grand district, when they say that the people lose their son, I said, what's that?
2:51:40to go back to the Romans, the Greeks, and the rest of them.
2:51:43It's when the leader class loses its courage and its mind and does not lead that a country goes down.
2:51:49I said, let's make no mistake about it.
2:51:51The president can get out and he can preach from the housetops.
2:51:55But if the whole band established a leader class, instead of going with the president, as they did in World War II and after World War II, when the Marshall Plan was against him, I said, this battle can't be won.
2:52:10I didn't know you had said this, but Nelson came in.
2:52:14In fact, he was waiting for half an hour for me.
2:52:16I was seeing Moira and Alex Johnson, just to tell me how impressed and moved he had been.
2:52:24And then, incidentally, I've been talking to Bob, and I've mentioned my thought to him about the speech.
2:52:32I think the speech should be low-key and calm and very cold.
2:52:37That this is what you've done.
2:52:39This is what these bastards have done.
2:52:42Never do this.
2:52:46And very conciliatory with the Russians at the end.
2:52:50Put the bonus on that.
2:52:51I always think when action is strong, rhetoric can be weak.
2:52:58When action is weak, rhetoric has to be strong.
2:53:03That's why you remember third and have strong rhetoric.
2:53:06This is just the outcome.
2:53:08I had almost to say, ladies and gentlemen, the...
2:53:15and always turn on every minute we've done this thing, and so forth, and constantly monitoring the blockade.
2:53:21Thank you very much.
2:53:21I appreciate it.
2:53:22That would be too short, but I think ten minutes.
2:53:25That's with a little packaging, that's why I told you, that's a few ten minutes.
2:53:29Ten, fifteen minutes of the answer.
2:53:32Then at nine o'clock is the time to go, of course.
2:53:35Conciliatory towards the Soviet, there should be a conciliatory paragraph to the Soviet,
2:53:40at the end, sort of putting it up to them, and perhaps two sentences on asking public support for those who are supporting this.
2:53:55This is not directed at you.
2:53:56We are asking nothing of Hanoi that is self-respecting.
2:53:59People should not be eager to accept.
2:54:06But nature powers have a responsibility for the general people.
2:54:09I could give this to a speech writer or so on.
2:54:12The Lord will give it to me and I'll start working on it tonight.
2:54:20And I had a new last week.
2:54:23Next week.
2:54:26I think, Mr. President, the more I think of it, this is going to be dramatic.
2:54:34What I found so interesting is that Nelson came in.
2:54:37I hadn't asked to see him.
2:54:40And he said the same thing that Connolly said.
2:54:42He said, look, the president has no choice.
2:54:45He said, if he does something right, he can win.
2:54:48He said then that he has no political problems.
2:54:52If he loses, there is nothing he can do in any other area that's going to...
2:54:57There's more important thing here.
2:54:59The thing that I want you to have in mind.
2:55:01Because I am in this position.
2:55:09not greatly, probably irreparably racist in some way.
2:55:14I think it's very greatly racist in the election.
2:55:16I agree.
2:55:17And I have heard of them.
2:55:19There is none that I have seen, however, as an option which would not possibly permanently
2:55:40I don't give a damn.
2:55:41We're going to do it.
2:55:42We'll do the best we can.
2:55:43The camera will look just about the election.
2:55:44Bob, I don't want to hear it.
2:55:53I personally think it's righteous.
2:55:58Henry, you don't have any idea.
2:56:00The only place where you and I disagree at the present time is in regard to the bombing.
2:56:07You're just out of that concern about the civilians.
2:56:11I don't give a damn.
2:56:17I don't care.
2:56:18I'm concerned about the civilians because I don't want the world to be mobilized against you as a butcher.
2:56:24We can do it without killing civilians.
2:56:27Without trying.
2:56:29We can do it without killing very many civilians.
2:56:30All right.
2:56:31I'm glad.
2:56:32I'm glad.
2:56:33We can knock out these railways.
2:56:36We can knock out these stocks.
2:56:37But let me tell you, I am not going to do a job.
2:56:40and pick out every damn target and then say, now you've got a guarantee you're not going to kill any civilians.
2:56:45No, but if you don't watch these military, they are totally irresponsible.
2:56:51And I mean, we have run this as a very tough thing.
2:56:55What I mean by ferocious, that's not the problem anyway, but veracity.
2:56:58The problem with respect to veracity is that people themselves
2:57:02niggling away, and can they do this, can they do that?
2:57:06The answer has to be they can do nothing.
2:57:07No ship is going into North Korea.
2:57:08No hospital ships, nothing?
2:57:13Nothing.
2:57:13That can go into China.
2:57:17Let's bomb them on the way in.
2:57:19I beg your pardon?
2:57:19Let's bomb them on the way in.
2:57:21No, if they want to run a hospital train in or something like that.
2:57:26But let's first knock out all the rail lines.
2:57:28Yeah.
2:57:31And let's not... We can't get through.
2:57:33We can do that.
2:57:35They'll never use rail lines.
2:57:36Well, they will use rail lines.
2:57:37There are no rail lines.
2:57:40What really disturbs me about our goddamn Air Force...
2:57:44is with no railroad lines.
2:57:46When they talk about highways down the ocean trail, it's no goddamn highway, Henry.
2:57:51It's a damn, it's a damn little dog track.
2:57:53And they have brought heavy guns and heavy tanks on there and have not been knocked out.
2:58:00And do you know what they're going to do now against the artillery around the way?
2:58:05What?
2:58:05The guns which you ordered out there that they didn't want.
2:58:11We have now 34 gunships, which we ran down their throats.
2:58:18If we had 200 of the goddamn things, we just don't have them, otherwise we'd order them out there.
2:58:26So, Henry, I come back to this, and I know that you beat over the time.
2:58:30Hey, did I make it?
2:58:33Mike, Mike.
2:58:36You beat them this time?
2:58:37Yes, God damn it.
2:58:42And they're better than gunships.
2:58:45The B-25 is a hell of a good blow support.
2:58:48What they do by gunship is C-130 with cannons on them.
2:58:52But the sort of thing which the Air Force didn't want, which we had to ram down their throats, and that's what they're now shooting, getting the artillery with.
2:59:07That new DMV general looks pretty good in the public, right?
2:59:09That's, we're getting some good stuff out of it.
2:59:11No, no, that general is all right.
2:59:13I am just, they had a plan to get an extra division up there.
2:59:19Well, I don't want to, because that hatred, they were going to scrape that division together by getting a regiment out of one place, a regiment out of another place.
2:59:27Of course, none of these regiments are getting out because they are all fighting.
2:59:33No, no, those are the few that are fighting.
2:59:36If we get another division up to the way, we're going to give them a hell of a fight.
2:59:43I better go and see my truck.
2:59:47I'm going to the... And he said anyone on the... That's what he did.
2:59:53He sent a hundred trucks down the road ordering deserters shot on the site.
2:59:59And he disbanded the two divisions.
3:00:03He made them replacements.
3:00:05Except that's no longer a big fit unit.
3:00:07And they took an offensive action.
3:00:08The Bushes also reported a paper and reopened the highway.
3:00:11That may not have happened, but that's what the press is reclaiming.
3:00:14This is a dangerous story.
3:00:14Let me ask you this.
3:00:15The way I read the thing is, you've got to be a narcissist.
3:00:25Remember old, one thing we all have to do now.
3:00:32There could be no turning back.
3:00:34There could be no, we must not let Laird and Rogers come in here and piss all over us and all that.
3:00:40So they are the order.
3:00:41I think Ross will be brought back someday because it's a free day on his schedule.
3:00:44It would be easy for him to get back.
3:00:46Well, the only thing is I don't want to have to see him until Monday morning.
3:00:52Monday morning, I will.
3:00:57Well, I think that's the best thing to do.
3:00:58Monday morning?
3:00:59He can come back.
3:01:01Just tell him that I've made this decision.
3:01:06He'll say, well, is it still open, Mr. President?
3:01:09And I'll say no.
3:01:10I've got to get Laird in tonight, Mr. President, because there are too many ships being moved.
3:01:15And it's too dangerous.
3:01:16Why don't you get him in, myself?
3:01:17No, I'll tell him.
3:01:18I'll do it.
3:01:20If you think it'll help.
3:01:21It's necessary.
3:01:22If it's needed, I'll tell him.
3:01:25No, I'll tell you, and then you can have him come up.
3:01:27No, no, I think what you should do is, as I may suggest, I'd like you to call now and say, now we're telling you this, we're not going to tell Bill the money money, because we know that he will probably oppose it.
3:01:39The President believes he will put it that way.
3:01:43get him in on a conspiracy and then say the president knows that you're that you would support this thing we need your support it's decided he knows he's risking everything it may not work but he knows nothing else will work and we're going to go balls out we will not lose if we did not just say that of course you're going to get some sort of move this weekend
3:02:15But the senior North Vietnamese is in Moscow now.
3:02:19We can pick it up from VIP traffic.
3:02:23No, no, it won't help us.
3:02:24They may propose a four-week ceasefire, which, incidentally, we couldn't accept, because that means they could build up and then, after four weeks, kill us.
3:02:31We could...
3:02:32But we could blockade them, sir.
3:02:35Yeah, but we could accept it only if they agreed to stop resupplying activities in some way.
3:02:40All right, sir.
3:02:41I think if they offer a four-week ceasefire, we might get the best of both worlds.
3:02:54I know exactly what you did this morning, raising questions.
3:03:10I don't need bucking up because I'm passionately for it.
3:03:13My nightmare was that we would, that for a variety of reasons we would try to straddle the fence, which anybody else would have done, including Nelson.
3:03:37That's, that's the obvious truth.
3:03:39It really is.
3:03:40And, and that was, that was, and... You didn't come here, the only two...
3:03:45So I, I felt strongly, once I realized that you were willing to have them canceled, then we could go all out with the military.
3:03:54Then the blockade was better, but I had to give you the way to give you the other option, so that afterwards you didn't feel like I had no benefit.
3:04:03As a matter of fact, we all...
3:04:10I can talk about ferocious soul.
3:04:15and I am going to, we've got to fire some people.
3:04:17Oh, if there are any leaks out of that State Department about a ceasefire, or, and once we, you worked on this now, but one thing I should tell you about the speech.
3:04:27Henry, when I said that we will lift the blockade that gives the POWs an interaction, supervise, supervise, which you said ceasefire, and what was the other thing?
3:04:38Four months later.
3:04:39Let me say it.
3:04:42Except for the POWs, I don't care about the rest.
3:04:45Put in whatever will let us survive and what seems to be reasonable.
3:04:49Do you understand?
3:04:49It'd be an ambivalent matter to supervise C-SPY because we can negotiate to Coons.
3:04:53Uh, I think it's an attractive phrase.
3:04:54The POWs...
3:04:54The POWs is just gonna be one hell of a thing for these sons of bitches to be against.
3:04:59And it's as if we'll have no more problems with the POWs, except for a while with you.
3:05:03Yeah, I don't see what more they could want.
3:05:12Well, the enemy then might offer.
3:05:15I suppose they might come back.
3:05:16If I were them, give it to the FW.
3:05:19They'll offer.
3:05:19They'll say, well, give it to the FW.
3:05:20They'll stop the bomb and they'll blockade.
3:05:22Refuse.
3:05:23That's the one they should have pulled along back, but I can't.
3:05:28That wasn't happening.
3:05:28They'll stop the bomb and they'll stop the bomb and they'll blockade.
3:05:31They'll give it to the FW.
3:05:32I don't know if they might consider that, but they won't do that.
3:05:37Why in the world would you leave with him?
3:05:40If we start the bombing, all of the Vietnam troops will know it.
3:05:44And look at the blockade we've got the P.O.W.
3:05:46issuing.
3:05:46We put on them.
3:05:48You mean we don't stop bombing for P.O.W.s?
3:05:52Why don't we get them for that?
3:05:54Well, because... You still lose the war.
3:05:56That's my problem.
3:05:56You don't want the P.O.W.s.
3:05:57No, because we could stand one because the P.O.W.
3:06:00is back.
3:06:01But they won't come to that.
3:06:03I suppose they did.
3:06:15The smartest thing they could have done any time in the last few weeks is to just return the POWs.
3:06:21They sent back the POWs.
3:06:35given any impression that we're going to do anything.
3:06:38No, I'm going to do what it's got to be done.
3:06:41I'm just saying it.
3:06:42I just use the term that you've just known from the president.
3:06:45And the president has said, look, he regrets that we weren't able to do anything.
3:06:49And as he's told you and I've told you, you recall, this is now our problem.
3:06:54And anything we do is not directed against you.
3:06:58But we want our people to be very strongly about going ahead with the summit, and let's go ahead.
3:07:06Now, what is his smart role?
3:07:09Henry Hubbard was in, and he said he's in a terrible trouble because New York, New York people say the president has gone international today.
3:07:17He said he might go totally international.
3:07:19I said, actually, from the point of view of my impact on Moscow, that's a good story to put out.
3:07:25He said, but I said, well, you took Henry.
3:07:27I said, I bet you the president.
3:07:32and calculated.
3:07:32And he knows exactly what is going on.
3:07:35Tell me this, where is this irrational stuff?
3:07:38Who the Christ puts it out on here?
3:07:42Who the hell is doing it?
3:07:44What do you mean by that?
3:07:46The Washington Post has a story.
3:07:48Actually, it's not in terms of foreign policy.
3:07:50In fact, it doesn't really, but it's...
3:07:54But what I find interesting is that the people who watch you close out here, for example, Hubbard told me that the loose weed man who was on the ranch said that it was the coldest, most calculated speech, that there was no emotionalism involved.
3:08:09You knew exactly what you were doing in every setting.
3:08:11And there was no question about that.
3:08:14Well, when I tell you what we've done, though, you've got to have the fact that our left,
3:08:27They won't get away with it.
3:08:29Some of them.
3:08:32That's a small... You don't get very much of that.
3:08:38You get it in his circles, you don't see much of it beyond that.
3:08:43Actually, the post editorials, not bad.
3:08:45Because they say you now have a...
3:08:48And the best chance of all on both sides to negotiate is their argument.
3:08:52But then they say that it's absolutely clear that the President cannot inflict a communist government on South Vietnam.
3:08:58What do you say to that?
3:09:00Yeah.
3:09:04Couldn't believe it.
3:09:04I read it a couple more times.
3:09:05I'll listen to what he goes.
3:09:17Three minutes on all three cameras.
3:09:21Did it carry all right?
3:09:22Very well.
3:09:23Extremely well.
3:09:25Excellent camera work.
3:09:26I hate that church, but it's a dang good church for television.
3:09:31Because of the open space.
3:09:32And it's neat.
3:09:34And I just don't like that kind of church.
3:09:37I didn't realize it had gone so long.
3:09:40I saw the papers in 11 minutes.
3:09:42That must have included my standing at the table.
3:09:50It took you a minute at least to get up there.
3:09:58That's a long hike, weaving around in that.
3:10:02It took two or three minutes to get back.
3:10:04It was more than that.
3:10:06I delivered it and cast it, which was very, that was a very moving kind of thing.
3:10:15It was very, very .
3:10:17Yeah.
3:10:19I couldn't figure out who they were or where they were.
3:10:21But it was a very good shot, because it was when you were making a point, and then they cut to these men.
3:10:27And you could see that they were in a strong motion.
3:10:31And that's good.
3:10:39She's our gardener's wife.
3:10:40She's a real kooky woman.
3:10:42Not kooky, actually.
3:10:45But she sent a card.
3:10:49She said, Victor, my hearts go out to you and our great president and your moment of sorrow on the loss of that great archangel.
3:10:57And she had a crying reading card, you know, and she said, and then she had put the bald eagle stamp, the postage stamp on it, and she said,
3:11:06Mr. Hoover's gone, but may the bald eagle always stand as our national symbol or something, as we look to the days ahead.
3:11:13Then she cut out a big picture of you in a newspaper that was taken after your television thing the other night, and then she had taken a sticker of an American flag and pasted it on your lapel, and she said his valet must have been off that day, because apparently you didn't have your flag in your lapel at one of the TV things, and if I did not wear it...
3:11:36It's just a spot.
3:11:37I think that's probably right.
3:11:39And I think, too, it's just a little too, too.
3:11:42Probably.
3:11:43But it bothered her.
3:11:44She slapped this flag up because she knows.
3:11:46And a lot of people know that you wear that flag all the time.
3:11:50And I think they like it.
3:11:52Our kind of people.
3:11:53I don't understand why she put on Monday night.
3:11:56Yeah.
3:11:57Last time.
3:11:58Yeah.
3:11:58Yeah.
3:11:58She agreed.
3:11:59Sure.
3:11:59What do you think about Monday night?
3:12:03You know, it's interesting.
3:12:04Every time I say it.
3:12:08God damn it, his people write a lot.
3:12:10He started with me on that, and I said, well, the key thing, Henry, is for God's sake, let's not go through all the litany of who met whom at what time on what address, because that's the last thing he needs here.
3:12:21He's taking an action, and all you need is a very general, you know, that we move these directions, and this is where we are.
3:12:30This is what I'm doing, and that's that.
3:12:35This is one where actions speak much louder than words.
3:12:43You know, if you've got a four-week ceasefire and didn't agree to it until after you mined high fawn, it'd be kind of interesting if you could just leave the mines there and take the ceasefire.
3:13:03He's always saying he's going to get some other man.
3:13:06There was a senior man down there.
3:13:08Christ, there was a delegation.
3:13:09He's definitely down there.
3:13:10He's got no spot.
3:13:11You're wrong.
3:13:11I've had that impression all the way back.
3:13:12He goes through this living time and time again.
3:13:14In fact, he really should have been my friend today.
3:13:16I felt that he should have canceled me because I was too much to see him.
3:13:26Why in the hell would he be doing this to you?
3:13:27Except that he hadn't said it.
3:13:28Well, of course, I did this post-mortem.
3:13:30God had to let me post-mortem.
3:13:41But I did give him some good advice.
3:13:42And we tend to overreact one way or the other.
3:13:44I didn't want him to go over there and be cold and menacing and harassed.
3:13:49But I said, slobber over, son of a bitch.
3:13:52They're going to treat us that way.
3:13:53Slobber over.
3:13:55And it appeared that we're not going to do it again.
3:13:57We're going to do something, you know?
3:13:59It's like the blood of a poker.
3:14:01And if you don't shout around the rest of them, you've got to compromise.
3:14:04Just sit there.
3:14:07Old kid.
3:14:35I mean, very much so.
3:14:37And what Henry, every time I read this, he thinks Scali's leading the serve.
3:14:41Oh, only Scali ever does the serve.
3:14:44So, right.
3:14:45Scali's playing the other thing.
3:14:46Scali has totally done a superb job on stuff that we've given him to do.
3:14:55He needs guidance.
3:14:57Only because he doesn't know the whole play.
3:14:59If he knew the whole play, his conclusions would also be good.
3:15:02But it's not what's happened, no, no.
3:15:04Oh, God.
3:15:06There's nothing for him.
3:15:06I mean, the whole thing is, actually, total clues.
3:15:13You know, it's an interesting thing that you're watching, and I'm like, when I was there in Texas, it was very important, you know, to shake hands with people nicely, walk around, look at the fire, put the fireworks and stick around, and answer your questions.
3:15:23That's one of the reasons we're supposed to answer questions, part of the assumptions.
3:15:31It's giving them time and attention.
3:15:34But I mean, I don't mean for that audience, but I mean for the people who are the next watchers.
3:15:42There's a lie in the fact that the brain is all overrated.
3:15:45Yeah.
3:15:45Yeah.
3:15:48We also want to remember that the likes of Rattler and Hosmer and others make it happen.
3:15:52I'm sure they do.
3:15:53They're going to make it happen.
3:15:55There's no way you're going to stop that.
3:15:57They're going to make it happen.
3:15:58It's frustrating as hell.
3:16:00That's why you have to use it so much.
3:16:07speech for the 26th, and I was nervous and obviously upset.
3:16:11But that was a little harder.
3:16:13To go on after you've been on TV and try to characterize it, it's hard to do.
3:16:20Maybe you should wait until the next morning.
3:16:32Clawson came up with an interesting idea, which I'm not sure what it is he's exploring, in our war on the media, which is to bring her capital to the director.
3:16:44What do you think he might do?
3:16:46Well, it turns out that he might very well be.
3:16:51Let's see.
3:16:51Let's see what they've done to him.
3:16:54Well, he knows very well that he's not a decent man.
3:16:57Well, it goes beyond that.
3:17:44I didn't know if I just found it out.
3:18:01I'm going to watch it from all angles.
3:18:09And the guy who was saying it, the capitalist's wife, told Boston's wife how much money Herb had lost in the last couple of years because the network turned down stuff that he did because it wasn't strongly anti-insane enough.
3:18:27And that Herb is very bitter about.
3:18:29And he's bitter as hell about the way they're treating him.
3:18:32He's just sitting in an office waiting for an assignment, doing nothing.
3:18:39Klaus, he's going to explore.
3:18:41He's not sure it's the right idea himself.
3:18:42Klaus is a guy that could be effective as hell if he decided that's what he wanted to do.
3:18:48You could only do it if you really wanted to.
3:18:53Klaus is going to explore that a little bit.
3:19:03But you get something else.
3:19:04You get this Novak turning on the press.
3:19:05You have followed up history with that.
3:19:07Well, we've distributed it internally.
3:19:08We've got a problem, because it's not a speech, and it's not an article.
3:19:10It's a paper for a symposium.
3:19:11How the hell are we going to do it?
3:19:13They gave it to us.
3:19:13Evidently, Novak sent it to us.
3:19:14But he doesn't want it.
3:19:15It's copyrighted.
3:19:16He does.
3:19:16But it's copyrighted by the name of the column.
3:19:33And, uh, they, Novak is now revising it, and then they're gonna release the revised version.
3:19:38And that'll solve it, qualify it, and shut up.
3:19:39But what we've done, later on in the Pentagon Papers game, we were having it read into the congressional record on the original basis, and that'll break the copyright.
3:19:50Sure.
3:19:50Then we used the record.
3:19:51Right.
3:19:53Right.
3:19:54Right.
3:19:54And we got it run internally, and it gets to the instructions that everybody should read the God's name there.
3:19:59Yeah.
3:20:00And I'm gonna push harder on that.
3:20:01You also made the read curse book, didn't you?
3:20:03Yeah.
3:20:05Programming for conservatives.
3:20:07Well, you didn't write, because it's the kind of thing that, in fact, you ought to re-read it every Monday morning.
3:20:15In fact, you ought to have a staff meeting, have someone stand up and read the guidelines, and allow them all the way through on every Monday morning.
3:20:25Just to...
3:20:29Because it does stir up your juices when you read that.
3:20:32You realize what these bastards are doing.
3:20:34That's right.
3:20:38How they're trying to cut us out and so forth and cut out the country.
3:20:42They did it again yesterday about the CPS.
3:20:44And a little thing, but it's the same kind of example.
3:20:46They ran the thing on the demonstrations yesterday at Kent State.
3:20:52They ran a film of protesters marching in candlelight and stuff and all those kind of things that they did.
3:21:00and of the speakers and tied it all in.
3:21:04And that was it.
3:21:05Now, you got the impression it was a very large protest and they're quoting and all that.
3:21:12UVI reported on it, says that at the meeting time, maximum of 500 to 600 of the 20,000
3:21:25400 participants.
3:21:25If anybody thinks, call CBS.
3:21:26Oh, yeah.
3:21:26That's one.
3:21:34That was so blatant that there's got to be a way to take it.
3:21:39If you've got the UPI report of what happened, and you've got the CBS report.
3:21:43I'm sorry, I don't know.
3:21:48The specifics like that, the little ones like that, we just fill them up.
3:21:53Well, I know what it is.
3:21:54They do it all the time.
3:21:59I don't know for years.
3:22:01I couldn't get anybody here.
3:22:09Well, Kevin Phillips has gotten going on all the press.
3:22:15Now he's writing down the incredible events of college students regarding Vietnam.
3:22:22Did the survey and found that one-fourth of them couldn't identify Saigon as the capital, one-third were unable to name U.S. allies out of Vietnam, and one-fourth couldn't find Vietnam on an unmarked map.
3:22:36is embraced by a multitude of brainless students who would not even be in college anywhere outside the US.
3:22:42I think you're wrong about that.
3:22:44In any society, I think the smart students are more likely to be in a protest than the brainless ones.
3:22:52He's not, yeah.
3:22:54Oh, he thinks all schools are great.
3:22:56He says that most many American colleges would be, and then he says any society that builds on 10,000 colleges to satisfy the dubious notion that everyone ought to have a higher education deserves to be confronted with a counterculture that spoiled the campus challenges.
3:23:10Well, I should appear from the market today to be designed to be good.
3:23:16And then we can go back and wind around.
3:23:26Last night they had a man at a war rally in Capitol Hill, Judy Collins, who's a very big singer, wore a bowtouch tightrope and cussed at the attorney who was the speaker.
3:23:37Two to three hundred attended.
3:23:39Really?
3:23:39Two to three hundred?
3:23:42Not quite.
3:23:43Then the hell was that?
3:23:44That's what he came for.
3:23:50I may worry the Senate goes.
3:23:52Trenton had a mass rally.
3:23:5450 people attended.
3:23:56800 in New York City.
3:23:59That figures.
3:23:59It was a big one in Tucson for some reason.
3:24:033,000 in Tucson.
3:24:04Of course, that's Arizona State.
3:24:06How many in the University of Arizona?
3:24:12and 2,000 in San Diego, a couple hundred of them.
3:24:18Oh, here's a UPI thing on Kent State.
3:24:19Classes were canceled at Kent State.
3:24:22That's your great friend, Glenn Olds, planned to cancel the classes now.
3:24:25So the students who wished to take part in anniversary events, but only 500 to 600 of the 20,000 students showed up to hear the speakers, and 400 marched in the silent parade.
3:24:34Now, there is news, and the sons of bitches on the network
3:24:41The news of that is that nobody cares.
3:29:52You'd rather do the TV at 9 anyway, wouldn't you?
3:29:55Yeah, I'd rather have it on for 10.
3:29:58No, we haven't raised it with the networks.
3:30:00I've just been looking at the schedule.
3:30:01But 9's a good breaking point.
3:30:03Well, I'd do it at 9.
3:30:05I might get all over it at 9.
3:30:06Gunsmoke's on CBS from 8 to 9, and Black Men's on NBC from 8 to 9.
3:30:09So you have two big shows on...
3:30:14And at 9 o'clock, you've got movies on two networks starting, so that's a good time to come on.
3:30:20You don't interrupt anything.
3:30:21Good.
3:30:219 o'clock.
3:30:22So 10 o'clock, you interrupt two movies.
3:30:24Oh, I heard a little line in the way.
3:30:26That's better.
3:30:27Hurts a little in the way.
3:30:308's not good.
3:30:30Great.
3:30:32No leading in this.
3:30:33Yeah.
3:31:04No, really.
3:31:04I mean, in Vietnam, we've had a few setbacks.
3:31:08But it's not closing out on too bad of a note.
3:31:12What do you mean?
3:31:15Vietnam.
3:31:17Because?
3:31:17Why?
3:31:17Because it's calmed down.
3:31:20Because we lost the base, and everybody has lost its capital.
3:31:27And now that's recognized that you can lose a capital without the war being lost.
3:31:33There's an air of optimism, I think, on the way.
3:31:38And Chew went in there and did a good job, apparently.
3:31:41He did.
3:31:41Yeah.
3:31:43Very upbeat, cocky, crank him up.
3:31:46And this new general is from a PRV, by the way.
3:31:48He's working down this general from a PRV.
3:31:50Boy, he's absolutely sensational.
3:31:51Because he's going to hop.
3:31:53He's going to charge in.
3:31:55He said, get your asses back here and defend the city.
3:31:57Get the refugees out, which they're doing.
3:31:59And get the troops in.
3:32:03And then he built a wall over here, and he said, that's the execution wall.
3:32:06That's where we shoot the deserters.
3:32:07He left it there to remind them.
3:32:20And then they went out and opened this road, and they're building that as the first offensive action they'd taken in the war, just to think where it was at that time.
3:32:28And Highway 13, I think it was.
3:32:29I'm sorry, I'm sorry.
3:32:33Highway 14 in the highlands.
3:32:35Their first counter attack with the offensive yard and it reopened Highway 14 in the highlands.
3:32:50And then it made a big thing out of more planes and tanks that were on the way.
3:32:58And I think this stuff, that something new is going to happen, isn't bad at all.
3:33:01And it's building up to an action.
3:33:05And what most of them are talking about is it being more violent.
3:33:08They only lost two dead.
3:33:15Those were our paratroopers, designed to end the isolation of the road to Contemp, and it succeeded.
3:33:28So they've opened the road to contact.
3:33:41Long people fleeing to get out of the cities, but no, we're not chasing them out.
3:33:48We're not getting out of these areas.
3:33:50Okay.
3:33:50You know, on one hand, as I said, it's been pretty weak, I think, in terms of public appearances.
3:33:57She was up here twice on the Uber thing.
3:34:01The search must have had an impression of calmness to the country, didn't it?
3:34:08That non-Vietnam.
3:34:09Huh?
3:34:10That non-Vietnam.
3:34:12Not a Vietnam.
3:34:14It was calm.
3:34:14I don't think John Wright would agree, but I believe that the two little Uber things were worth $10,000.
3:34:19I agree.
3:34:25I do, too, because the people were listening.
3:34:28Because John was delighted to speak to you, because just what he had hoped you would do on getting the law and order going and supporting the law enforcement people.
3:34:40It was great.
3:34:42Good.
3:35:08And John then pointed out to him very carefully that the appointment of Pat Gray was only his acting director until after the election.
3:35:18Then he said to Rizzo, have you given any thought about the federal service?
3:35:23He said, well, I haven't thought about that.
3:35:32He's good.
3:35:33He's got a little new bait hanging out there in front of him.
3:35:37And they got off the bison tent, you know what I mean?
3:35:41They did.
3:35:42They went over the backs and everything.
3:35:43He says, fine.
3:35:44This is going to help that.
3:35:45He's in good shape right now.
3:35:48We're going to get him out of there.
3:35:51But we're going to have to do that.
3:35:53I think what we should do is send advice internally.
3:35:55I think the silly thing, the 50-state thing, I thought it was going to be a half-assed, patchwork sort of thing, and so we're actually just going to go, we're going to have somebody come up with a speech.
3:36:03I'm afraid that the country is just ready to support it by some kind of a ton at this point.
3:36:08You know, they've got a lot of energy.
3:36:16And frankly, let's wait.
3:36:17We'll wait a year.
3:36:18And then we'll see what the temper of the country is.
3:36:20We'll wait about two years.
3:36:21We don't have to wait a couple years and then decide in a year and a half.
3:36:23Wait until we end the next year.
3:36:25Then decide what to do.
3:36:27We're not here.
3:36:30That's another subject to worry about.
3:37:39Rose said, for sure, slew that little bitch, Barbara Walters, and she was very wrong.
3:37:48What's happened today, sir?
3:37:59You can't have an NET interview show outside today.
3:38:03Great job.
3:38:04Good for you.
3:38:05He had a lot of, obviously had a lot of fun, didn't he?
3:38:12He hit the media for announcing a South Vietnamese defeat even before the North Vietnamese had started playing victory.
3:38:18He says many reporters had predicted a Harbin defeat for so long that it was a self-fulfilling prophecy.
3:38:24He called a tap.
3:38:27Good.
3:38:28Talked about the busing thing.
3:38:30Good.
3:38:31Said that the media treatment reflected not only the president, said that your proposals reflected not only your stand, but that of 80 and 90 percent of the people, yet one instant analyst flatly called the program unconstitutional.
3:38:44Hit the commentators after your November 3rd speech and the busing speech.
3:38:50Said that there's no constitutional right in the press to query the president.
3:38:53It's up to the president to determine the best way to communicate.
3:38:59liberals have gone into the press, to working in the press, while conservatives see America as a pretty good place to head for business or finance to make money.
3:39:10Says the networks ought to recruit conservatives like they recruited blacks.
3:39:15And he says, whoever answers Brinkley got to match his Brinkley with NBC.
3:39:20That's true.
3:39:21The Pulitzer Prizes for Anderson and the Times were appalling and atrocious.
3:39:23What kind of a lesson is that to a young reporter?
3:39:27Hey, what about that Anderson crew?
3:39:31Yeah.
3:39:31He says, what did Anderson do to get the products?
3:39:33Open up his mail.
3:39:38Yeah, they gave Anderson one on the Pakistan.
3:39:40Horrible job, Anthony.
3:39:47Really, it's incredible.
3:39:49Time to finish me with that.
3:39:53Time to finish with this one.
3:39:57There are times when a question of those is time, misery, and life.
3:40:34It was really quite an exercise for the Navy.
3:40:35They thought I must be one of those Navy guys, a person who wishes to love to do something.
3:40:38I think a lot of people like me.
3:40:57Minds, they use it fast.
3:40:58They can set those to become active whenever they want and to become inactive whenever they want.
3:41:03They have an on and an off switch that they can set at an automatic timing of when they end, then operate.
3:41:11No, once they set it, it's set.
3:41:13It's active, Shannon.
3:41:16And that's something I can put in the off switch, I can leave it on.
3:41:25And the motorist, he just practically chortles.
3:41:29He just loves the mining department especially.
3:41:33Because it's damn effective.
3:41:42Mines, I guess, are much more sophisticated than the stuff we knew about in World War II.
3:41:51They go down to the bottom and just lie on the bottom until something comes open and then magnetically shoots up and hits it.
3:42:00One of our own hallucinates.
3:42:02Probably will be.
3:42:03There's more.
3:42:05Somebody will say it.
3:42:14Mining is a beautiful thing, though, really, because that, you lay the mines down and you tell the people they're there.
3:42:21Somebody said it was until he used to do it, he wouldn't do it to himself.
3:42:29Well, let me tell you, for a few days after we announced this blockade, it was going to be goddamn hard if I ever remember the house.
3:42:45the security of Vietnam, and preventing the invasion of communist government after we bought the area, but that Vietnam.
3:42:54Correct?
3:42:55Yep.
3:42:55It would be god damn hard.
3:42:56Particularly when Iraq is aimed not at destroying part of Vietnam, but preventing the delivery of legal weapons which are going to be used to kill people in South Africa.
3:43:04Who could possibly even, you know, how could McGovern even argue that?
3:43:13Nobody can rationally argue the right of North Vietnam not to get more arms.
3:43:47Okay.
3:43:47You know, this is great.
3:43:48We've got another press conference.
3:43:51I don't think we should worry about it.

Nixon, Haldeman & Kissinger on Vietnam War and Naval blockade

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