{"conversationCode":"725-019","tapeNumber":725,"conversationNumber":19,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-725-019","startDateTime":"1972-05-16T14:00:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1972-05-16T14:05:00.000Z","startDate":"16-May-1972","startTime":"10:00 AM","endDate":"16-May-1972","endTime":"10:05 AM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"estimated","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Nixon, Thelma C. (\"Pat\") (Ryan); Tkach, Walter R.;","description":"On May 16, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon, Thelma C. (\"Pat\") (Ryan) Nixon, and Walter R. Tkach met in the Oval Office of the White House at an unknown time between 10:00 am and 10:05 am. 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(\"Pat\") (Ryan)","Tkach, Walter R."],"prevCode":"725-018","nextCode":"725-020","tapeTranscriptFile":"725a.mp3,725b.mp3,725c.mp3","transcript":[{"start":7493,"end":7493.89,"text":"All right, fine."},{"start":7494.62,"end":7494.89,"text":"Good."},{"start":7494.97,"end":7495.2,"text":"Great."},{"start":7496.47,"end":7499.05,"text":"Great."},{"start":7502.02,"end":7502.25,"text":"Good."},{"start":7641.81,"end":7665.95,"text":"and the air force would all know that but why don't we say that we will we will uh he's apparently"},{"start":7666.52,"end":7668.86,"text":"The little guy thinks there's a 50% chance that he's going to lose mobility in his legs."},{"start":7669.05,"end":7669.91,"text":"What do you think?"},{"start":7669.93,"end":7670.67,"text":"Is it breathing?"},{"start":7670.69,"end":7675.05,"text":"Of course, it's an ovation."},{"start":7675.07,"end":7677.11,"text":"It's too bad."},{"start":7677.13,"end":7677.23,"text":"Why?"},{"start":7677.29,"end":7678.18,"text":"Because of the mobility."},{"start":7678.26,"end":7681.48,"text":"Because of the mobility, he's going to have a lot of lives in his spine."},{"start":7710.02,"end":7710.4,"text":"Guess what?"},{"start":7710.48,"end":7710.89,"text":"I'm sorry."},{"start":7715.85,"end":7716.95,"text":"Well, he'll do that the one he is."},{"start":7717.17,"end":7717.95,"text":"The prospect should put it on him."},{"start":7717.97,"end":7729.3,"text":"Yeah, yeah, yeah."},{"start":7729.32,"end":7729.68,"text":"Yeah, exactly, yeah."},{"start":7729.7,"end":7732.26,"text":"Captain, he should just leave at the end."},{"start":7732.28,"end":7732.73,"text":"I can't do that."},{"start":7749.42,"end":7749.56,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":7749.66,"end":7751.24,"text":"And so he'd prefer Walter Reed or Alabama."},{"start":7751.32,"end":7756.24,"text":"But I will often say that we have offered the president just a, yeah, fine."},{"start":7756.28,"end":7760.29,"text":"I'll make another one."},{"start":7760.31,"end":7762.17,"text":"I'll talk to you soon."},{"start":7769.16,"end":7771.98,"text":"Oh, I just wanted to get sort of a more ."},{"start":7772.08,"end":7777.81,"text":"How did everybody think about providing things to look at, of course, or something?"},{"start":7777.83,"end":7777.97,"text":"Great."},{"start":7778.03,"end":7786.8,"text":"How did the rest of the people think about how they react to it?"},{"start":7794.28,"end":7802.69,"text":"Well, it was sort of, well, not so bad, but I mean, they just said the usual, uh, certain names included, and it was real."},{"start":7808.36,"end":7809.18,"text":"Right, right."},{"start":7814.1,"end":7814.69,"text":"And what'd they say?"},{"start":7828.59,"end":7839.06,"text":"Oh, well, I've got to go."},{"start":7839.18,"end":7840.1,"text":"I've got to go."},{"start":7840.24,"end":7843.04,"text":"I've got to go."},{"start":7843.14,"end":7844.27,"text":"I've got to go."},{"start":7844.35,"end":7845.47,"text":"I've got to go."},{"start":7845.53,"end":7846.41,"text":"I've got to go."},{"start":7846.47,"end":7850.79,"text":"I've got to go."},{"start":7855.09,"end":7857.71,"text":"Tonight, I mean, in fact, as I am going to"}],"transcriptBoundary":{"start":7493,"end":8045,"startMethod":"silence","endMethod":"tape_time"},"transcriptConfidence":"low","transcriptSource":"bigtape","aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon, First Lady Pat Nixon, and White House physician Walter R. 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