{"conversationCode":"725-030","tapeNumber":725,"conversationNumber":30,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-725-030","startDateTime":"1972-05-16T15:49:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1972-05-16T15:57:00.000Z","startDate":"16-May-1972","startTime":"11:49 AM","endDate":"16-May-1972","endTime":"11:57 AM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"estimated","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Haldeman, H. R. (\"Bob\"); White House operator; Nixon, Thelma C. (\"Pat\") (Ryan);","description":"On May 16, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon, H. R. (\"Bob\") Haldeman, White House operator, and Thelma C. (\"Pat\") (Ryan) Nixon met in the Oval Office of the White House at an unknown time between 11:49 am and 11:57 am. 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Wallace\n                                       -President's offer of services\n\n                                          (rev. Jan-02)\n\n                                -Connally\n                                      -Tone\n                                      -Tenure\n                                           -December 14, 1971\n                                           -January 1972 meeting in San Clemente\n                                           -Extension\n                     -Speculation on reasons\n                          -Wallace shooting\n                          -Texas election\n                          -Wallace shooting\n\n      Press\n          -The President’s view\n          -White House approach\n\n      Connally\n         -Resignation\n               -Feelings\n               -Idanell B. (“Nellie”) Connally\n                     -Living in Washington, DC\n                     -Compared with President's return to California\n                     -The President’s view\n                     -Haldeman’s view\n               -Thelma C. (“Pat”) Nixon's knowledge\n\nThe President talked with the White House operator at an unknown time\nbetween 11:49 am and 11:54 am.\n\n [Conversation No. 725-30A]\n\n      [See Conversation No. 24-149]\n\n      [End of telephone conversation]\n\n      President's Moscow trip\n\nPresident talked with Mrs. Nixon between 11:54 am and 11:55 am.\n\n[Conversation No. 725-30B]\n\n      [See Conversation No. 24-150; one item has been withdrawn from\n       this conversation.]\n\n      [End of telephone conversation]\n\n                                         (rev. Jan-02)\n\nHaldeman left at an unknown time before 11:57 am.","filename":["725a.mp3","725b.mp3","725c.mp3"],"tapeStart":"03:41:03","tapeEnd":"03:46:30","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Haldeman, H. R. (\"Bob\")","White House operator","Nixon, Thelma C. (\"Pat\") (Ryan)"],"prevCode":"725-029","nextCode":"725-031","tapeTranscriptFile":"725a.mp3,725b.mp3,725c.mp3","transcript":[{"start":13314.77,"end":13316.4,"text":"I don't think we're out here."},{"start":13316.42,"end":13316.64,"text":"They are."},{"start":13316.66,"end":13320.3,"text":"Okay, well, let's go wait here."},{"start":13321.18,"end":13325.12,"text":"If they're not here, I'll just keep going."},{"start":13325.14,"end":13325.24,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":13325.26,"end":13325.66,"text":"They're not."},{"start":13325.86,"end":13327.81,"text":"So let's not worry about that."},{"start":13327.83,"end":13329.43,"text":"No."},{"start":13329.45,"end":13330.89,"text":"So we get Connie and Shelton."},{"start":13330.91,"end":13335.67,"text":"As soon as Connie and Shelton are ready, as soon as Connie and Shelton are ready."},{"start":13378.27,"end":13381.23,"text":"Oh, I think that was good."},{"start":13382.09,"end":13386.36,"text":"That gives you a damn good..."},{"start":13386.42,"end":13390.68,"text":"I think that was the way to handle the comment."},{"start":13391.06,"end":13402.01,"text":"Nice, awful, key way to surprise."},{"start":13407.42,"end":13409.44,"text":"Well, but it was good to cite some specifics."},{"start":13409.46,"end":13421.05,"text":"I mean, you know, December 14th is the year it was up, and then the January meeting in San Clemente in Spain for the, you know, six months and all that."},{"start":13424.89,"end":13426.01,"text":"I think it puts it in a... Sure."},{"start":13426.03,"end":13427.87,"text":"I think where it's not..."},{"start":13427.89,"end":13434.04,"text":"They will try to tie it to these events, and it's good to lay some basis so that they can, you know, try to tie it to the..."},{"start":13435.24,"end":13462.16,"text":"to the wallace center to the texas election it's probably hard no the texas election but the wallace is hard you can't we know that well we didn't pick this up right out of wallace i mean that should be an event but uh let it be what they want they're all such a goddamn bunch of shits but they'll just do what they want now we'll come up with it we're gonna break up the president just as we always have don't worry about it we'll do the best we can we're gonna do as well as we can"},{"start":13464.62,"end":13471.22,"text":"I already think you could be regretful, you know what I mean?"},{"start":13471.24,"end":13472.72,"text":"You see, she doesn't like to give up."},{"start":13472.74,"end":13473.54,"text":"But Molly doesn't, though."},{"start":13473.56,"end":13474.14,"text":"She was so undelighted."},{"start":13474.9,"end":13475.72,"text":"She can't hide it."},{"start":13476.18,"end":13476.92,"text":"She doesn't drive her car."},{"start":13476.94,"end":13478.14,"text":"She hates it in that place."},{"start":13478.16,"end":13479.84,"text":"She just doesn't like where you go."},{"start":13479.86,"end":13487.26,"text":"And she was just, you know, she's going to find the parking lot."},{"start":13487.32,"end":13487.58,"text":"You won't."},{"start":13487.6,"end":13488.72,"text":"You won't."},{"start":13494.23,"end":13496.69,"text":"I don't know, maybe the person's grown up."},{"start":13496.73,"end":13503.37,"text":"You know, with me, though, it was terribly difficult going back to California."},{"start":13503.39,"end":13506.69,"text":"Of course, I've been here longer."},{"start":13507.89,"end":13510.85,"text":"Women are different, for one thing, and I think she's different in a way."},{"start":13511.33,"end":13512.83,"text":"I think she's got her feet in the ground."},{"start":13512.85,"end":13516.57,"text":"She loves to dig in the soil and plant trees and all that sort of thing."},{"start":13516.59,"end":13519.25,"text":"Be with her and chill out."}],"transcriptBoundary":{"start":13263,"end":13522.25,"startMethod":"tape_time","endMethod":"silence"},"transcriptConfidence":"low","transcriptSource":"bigtape","aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon and H. 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