{"conversationCode":"725-033","tapeNumber":725,"conversationNumber":33,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-725-033","startDateTime":"1972-05-16T16:49:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1972-05-16T16:53:00.000Z","startDate":"16-May-1972","startTime":"12:49 PM","endDate":"16-May-1972","endTime":"12:53 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Karim, Knayet; Hoskinson, Samuel; White House photographer;","description":"On May 16, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon, Knayet Karim, Samuel Hoskinson, and White House photographer met in the Oval Office of the White House from 12:49 pm to 12:53 pm. 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Jan-02)\n\n                      -The President’s view\n                      -Wife\n                            -The President’s view\n                      -Death\n                      -Wife\n                      -Party for President\n                            -Karachi\n                      -The President’s view\n          -President's future meeting with Mujibur Rahman\n                -Good wishes\n          -US aid\n                -State department\n                -White House\n          -Prime Minister\n                -Use of term\n\n      Karim\n          -Residence in Washington\n          -Setting up an embassy in Washington\n\nKarim and Hoskinson left at 12:53 pm.","filename":["725a.mp3","725b.mp3","725c.mp3"],"tapeStart":"03:56:38","tapeEnd":"04:01:57","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Karim, Knayet","Hoskinson, Samuel","White House photographer"],"prevCode":"725-032","nextCode":"725-034","tapeTranscriptFile":"725a.mp3,725b.mp3,725c.mp3","transcript":[{"start":14198,"end":14199.22,"text":"You know, you just may give me the recommendation."},{"start":14199.62,"end":14202.84,"text":"I know this might be a fight, but I just do our best."},{"start":14202.94,"end":14210.08,"text":"I can't conscientiously, and I disagree with it, because if this all is here, it's going to be an eye-opener."},{"start":14211.2,"end":14212.65,"text":"I'm sure of that."},{"start":14212.67,"end":14214.61,"text":"There was two demonstrations."},{"start":14216.07,"end":14217.21,"text":"Hi, John."},{"start":14217.27,"end":14223.51,"text":"John, the best idea I had today was to go out there across the street"},{"start":14224.1,"end":14237.87,"text":"You see, we tend to think that what the New York Times and others say, the nervous knowledge is the country's death."},{"start":14237.89,"end":14240.89,"text":"The country's divided about 60-40."},{"start":14240.91,"end":14241.69,"text":"40% are scared."},{"start":14241.75,"end":14249.34,"text":"Draft doctors and the rest, about 60% say, by God, show them the balls."},{"start":14250.13,"end":14251.17,"text":"I don't think you're right."},{"start":14251.35,"end":14252.95,"text":"Well, this whole hyponic thing."},{"start":14252.99,"end":14256.03,"text":"Yeah, that's the hyponic thing."},{"start":14256.86,"end":14262.62,"text":"So my mail, every letter I'm getting now from around the country says, tell the president we're going to have a great movement."},{"start":14263.66,"end":14264.72,"text":"Along with other things."},{"start":14264.74,"end":14266.52,"text":"I work with people."},{"start":14266.54,"end":14267.14,"text":"Excuse me, Mr. President."},{"start":14267.16,"end":14268.68,"text":"Hey, is there a meeting with Kissinger?"},{"start":14268.7,"end":14271.04,"text":"There's a man named Hoskinson they wanted to meet."},{"start":14271.08,"end":14274.19,"text":"I don't think you know Hoskinson."},{"start":14274.39,"end":14274.89,"text":"I don't care."},{"start":14274.91,"end":14280.69,"text":"Like the letters here today."},{"start":14280.75,"end":14283.37,"text":"He's got something on his mind."},{"start":14284.37,"end":14284.53,"text":"Gross."},{"start":14284.55,"end":14286.86,"text":"I mean, he's just been the title."},{"start":14288.92,"end":14290.26,"text":"They let me in that."},{"start":14290.28,"end":14290.46,"text":"They did?"},{"start":14290.48,"end":14290.6,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":14292.45,"end":14294.49,"text":"I'm afraid I'll see him."},{"start":14294.51,"end":14297.75,"text":"I'd love to, except I've got a reception."},{"start":14297.83,"end":14299,"text":"I'll say hello for you."},{"start":14299.24,"end":14311.91,"text":"Mr. President, how are you?"},{"start":14311.93,"end":14312.83,"text":"Yes, how are you?"},{"start":14313.31,"end":14314.39,"text":"Very nice to see you."},{"start":14314.41,"end":14315.13,"text":"Nice to see you."},{"start":14318.1,"end":14320.52,"text":"I'll step over for a picture here so we can have it on this here."},{"start":14321.6,"end":14335,"text":"Okay, why don't you sit right here."},{"start":14348.85,"end":14350.19,"text":"We're very glad to see you."},{"start":14350.21,"end":14359.65,"text":"As you know, as I have written to you, we want to establish a good, friendly relationship with your country without any problems."},{"start":14359.75,"end":14362.03,"text":"We have been trying to be helpful on the humanitarian side."},{"start":14363.25,"end":14366.74,"text":"We want to be helpful in every way we can."},{"start":14366.94,"end":14377.62,"text":"We want you to succeed because you've suffered too much now, and that's our attitude."},{"start":14378.71,"end":14380.91,"text":"And, in fact, we're very anxious to have all the countries in the area succeed."},{"start":14380.93,"end":14382.87,"text":"I mean, it's the tragedy of India, Pakistan, and now Bangladesh."},{"start":14382.89,"end":14385.73,"text":"It must not be repeated."},{"start":14385.75,"end":14389.91,"text":"I mean, you, of course, everybody, you know, here in Washington, you know, they do."},{"start":14390.07,"end":14399.96,"text":"And, you know, those aren't many problems."},{"start":14399.98,"end":14406.78,"text":"I was glad to know that the particle time yesterday, they're doing better than your people."},{"start":14408.11,"end":14427.77,"text":"And you can be sure that we'll do everything we can to see that your country can go forward and deal with these problems in a way that will give the people not only a chance to survive, but a hope."},{"start":14445.49,"end":14458.46,"text":"It's one of the first"},{"start":14460.76,"end":14465.49,"text":"Pakistani I ever met was from East Pakistan, Muhammad Ali."},{"start":14465.53,"end":14465.97,"text":"Do you remember?"},{"start":14466.03,"end":14468.61,"text":"He died a few years later, but he was my host."},{"start":14468.67,"end":14469.95,"text":"Well, do you remember Guliman?"},{"start":14470.03,"end":14470.37,"text":"Yes, I do."},{"start":14470.39,"end":14472.73,"text":"He was the governor general at the time."},{"start":14472.83,"end":14480.25,"text":"Muhammad Ali was the prime minister, and I had a wonderful relationship with him."},{"start":14480.29,"end":14485.23,"text":"He was from East Pakistan, but he's gone."},{"start":14485.39,"end":14488.31,"text":"I'd like you to find that, and a very nice wife, too."},{"start":14488.99,"end":14489.51,"text":"He had no car with him."},{"start":14489.53,"end":14490.23,"text":"He had no car with him, yeah."},{"start":14490.25,"end":14493.12,"text":"Is his wife living with you?"},{"start":14493.14,"end":14494.76,"text":"He's, uh, she's still living with me."},{"start":14494.78,"end":14497.46,"text":"If you ever happen to see her, tell her I actually brought her in."},{"start":14497.48,"end":14497.8,"text":"Remember me?"},{"start":14497.82,"end":14503.02,"text":"I'm so proud of her, too."},{"start":14503.04,"end":14508.71,"text":"You had a guy who brought her in, remember?"},{"start":14508.73,"end":14510.75,"text":"Who was there and brought you the lights and everything."},{"start":14510.77,"end":14511.41,"text":"It was a lovely party."},{"start":14511.43,"end":14512.87,"text":"It was a warm place."},{"start":14512.91,"end":14513.41,"text":"A warm place."},{"start":14513.47,"end":14515.05,"text":"A warm place."},{"start":14515.07,"end":14515.45,"text":"A warm place."},{"start":14515.47,"end":14515.73,"text":"A warm place."},{"start":14515.75,"end":14515.87,"text":"Right."},{"start":14515.89,"end":14516.17,"text":"A warm place."}],"transcriptBoundary":{"start":14198,"end":14517,"startMethod":"tape_time","endMethod":"tape_time"},"transcriptConfidence":"low","transcriptSource":"bigtape","aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon met with Enayet Karim and Samuel Hoskinson to formally express the United 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