Nixon White House Tapes — Conversation 725-041 Date: Tuesday, May 16, 1972 at 12:45 PM Participants: Ehrlichman, John D.; Ziegler, Ronald L. Recording device: Oval Office Source: https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/725-041 This transcript was generated automatically by AI (WhisperX) and has not been reviewed for accuracy. Do not cite it as authoritative. [3:53:36] You've got a lot of, one thing that you could, that you could be, that I promise, and totally not now, is the idea, you know, that he's going back because of Texas, and he's going back because of the wall. [3:53:38] So, of course, you can trust us. [3:53:40] But you know that I am careful. [3:53:42] That's the stage that we talked about in December. [3:53:45] We talked about it. [3:53:47] I want that very, very effective. [3:53:48] Don't push it. [3:53:50] Sure. [3:53:50] Yeah. [3:53:50] So that's the theory that we go into. [3:53:53] This is something that we can read off a lot. [3:53:54] Why didn't you have that? [3:53:58] Well, you simply said there's going to be a lot of speculation about why the one leading the fact. [3:54:03] The plain truth of the matter is that I had you mentioned at some point in the discussion. [3:54:07] And that happens to be the fact. [3:54:09] So now, you know, I can't stop your speculation. [3:54:13] All I can say is it's true. [3:54:14] Hold on a little bit, President. [3:54:15] Would you like to... [3:54:18] First say a few words, and then I'll follow you in.