{"conversationCode":"728-009","tapeNumber":728,"conversationNumber":9,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-728-009","startDateTime":"1972-06-06T20:01:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1972-06-06T20:03:00.000Z","startDate":"6-Jun-1972","startTime":"4:01 PM","endDate":"6-Jun-1972","endTime":"4:03 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Woods, Rose Mary; Butterfield, Alexander P.;","description":"On June 6, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon, Rose Mary Woods, and Alexander P. Butterfield met in the Oval Office of the White House from 4:01 pm to 4:03 pm. 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Jackson's arguing about overkill capability and all this."},{"start":8368.01,"end":8368.39,"text":"We're just..."},{"start":8374.06,"end":8389.66,"text":"And then also the argument starting to emerge, I assume because of some of the background, because it didn't seem to come out at the beginning, but it's coming out now pretty clearly, that the question of us giving up anything or next to giving up anything is ridiculous, that we weren't on any building program anyway."},{"start":8389.74,"end":8392,"text":"And we couldn't get one."},{"start":8392.6,"end":8393.82,"text":"Our Congress wouldn't give us one."},{"start":8394.12,"end":8395.25,"text":"You got to get that in."},{"start":8395.26,"end":8395.47,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":8460.13,"end":8460.45,"text":"All right."},{"start":8512.63,"end":8513.13,"text":"And I'm cleared out."},{"start":8513.15,"end":8514.69,"text":"I've all got a big, big line of land up there, so... Oh, thank you."},{"start":8514.73,"end":8515.33,"text":"Thank you very much."},{"start":8515.35,"end":8515.99,"text":"Where are you going next?"},{"start":8516.01,"end":8516.87,"text":"Maybe that's what you're writing."},{"start":8516.89,"end":8516.99,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":8517.01,"end":8517.57,"text":"I didn't realize that."},{"start":8517.59,"end":8519.17,"text":"I was sitting there reading a letter from a paying friend."},{"start":8555.44,"end":8555.56,"text":"Huh?"},{"start":8555.58,"end":8555.92,"text":"I think this is."},{"start":8555.94,"end":8556.36,"text":"No, I can't do that."},{"start":8556.38,"end":8556.7,"text":"I can't do both."},{"start":8556.73,"end":8557.1,"text":"Well, that was good."}],"transcriptBoundary":{"start":8362.5,"end":8595,"startMethod":"silence","endMethod":"tape_time"},"transcriptConfidence":"low","transcriptSource":"bigtape","aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon met with Rose Mary Woods to handle administrative tasks, including signing documents and discussing weather conditions at Camp David. Alexander P. Butterfield briefly joined the session to consult on the President's upcoming schedule, specifically regarding Barry M. Goldwater. The conversation also touched upon political messaging regarding nuclear defense capabilities and congressional resistance to military building programs.","topics":["Presidential Schedule","Camp David","Barry M. 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