Conversation 732-011

TapeTape 732StartTuesday, June 13, 1972 at 11:43 AMEndTuesday, June 13, 1972 at 1:18 PMTape start time02:16:21Tape end time03:51:23ParticipantsNixon, Richard M. (President);  Haldeman, H. R. ("Bob");  Bull, Stephen B.;  Kissinger, Henry A.Recording deviceOval Office

Audio for this conversation has not yet been released by the National Archives.

On June 13, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon, H. R. ("Bob") Haldeman, Stephen B. Bull, and Henry A. Kissinger met in the Oval Office of the White House from 11:43 am to 1:18 pm. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 732-011 of the White House Tapes.

Conversation No. 732-11

Date: June 13, 1972
Time: 11:43 am.-1:18 pm.
Location: Oval Office

The President met with H.R. (“Bob”) Haldeman and Stephen B. Bull.

     Henry A. Kissinger's and schedule
         -People’s Republic of China [PRC] trip
         -Staff meeting

Bull left at an unknown time before 11:44 am.

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Kissinger entered at 11:44 am.

     Kissinger’s schedule
          -Staff meeting
                -PRC

     Meeting with the President
          -Strategic Arms Limitation Treaty [SALT] briefing
                -Congresssional leaders
                     -East Room
                -Compared with Cambodia briefing

Kissinger left at 11:45 am.

              -Possible benefits
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Haldeman talked with Charles W. Colson at an unknown time between 11:45 am. and 12:27 p.m.
The President can be heard in the background.

     [Conversation No. 732-11a]

          [See Conversation No. 25-56; one item has been withdrawn
     from this conversation]

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     Foreign policy public relations efforts
          -Patrick J. Buchanan
          -Raymond K. Price, Jr.
          -William L. Safire
          -Administration spokesman
                -The President's view
                      -S. Steven Karalakas
                -Price
                -Buchanan
                -Kissinger
                -Unnamed writer
                      -Previous Nelson A. Rockefeller employee

     Possible White House staff testimony before Congress
          -Kissinger
          -Haldeman
          -John D. Ehrlichman
          -Peter M. Flanigan
                -Previous testimony
          -Haldeman’s view
                -Other members of White House staff
                     -Cabinet officers

                                   (rev. Jan-02)

     -Kissinger's role in presenting SALT Treaty
           -Meeting with Congressmen
                -J. William Fulbright
                -The President's view
                       -Public relations aspect
                             -Invitation to White House
                -Haldeman’s view

Irving Kristol’s book [On the Democratic Ideal in America]
      -The President’s instructions
      -Ehrlichman
      -Price
      -Buchanan
      -Ehrlichman
      -Cabinet officers
            -George P. Shultz
            -Elliot L. Richardson
            -George W. Romney
      -Council of Economic Advisors [CEA]
      -Herbert Stein
      -Arthur F. Burns
      -Richard G. Kleindienst
      -Warren E. Burger
      -Letter from the President

Kissinger’s possible testimony
     -Meeting with Congressmen on SALT
           -East Room
           -Purpose
     -Briefing in East Room
           -Haldeman’s view
           -Television coverage
           -Radio coverage
           -The President's view
           -Melvin R. Laird
           -William P. Rogers
           -Gerard C. Smith

Rogers
    -Possible meeting with the President
          -Rogers's forthcoming trip to Asia
               -Southeast Asia Treaty Organization [SEATO]
               -Australia, New Zealand and the US [ANZUS]
    -Kissinger's trip to PRC

                                      (rev. Jan-02)

              -Chinese invitation
              -Length of trip
              -Previous trip to Soviet Union
         -Timing

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    Legislation
         -House Resolution [HR] 1
               -The President's view
               -Richardson, James D. Hodgson

    The President’s possible press conference
         -Colson recommendations
              -East Room
              -Subjects
                     -Vietnam
                     -SALT
                    -Political question
                     -Unemployment
                     -Busing
                     -Tax reform
         -Timing
         -Preparation
         -Colson’s view
         -Location
              -California
              -East Room
         -The President's view
         -Timing
              -Date
              -Vietnam announcement
                    -Draft
                    -Troop withdrawal

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          -Colson's recommendations
               -The President’s preparation
               -Ramifications
          -Location of press conference
          -Questions
          -Timing
               -Vietnam announcement
               -The President’s schedule
                     -Forthcoming US News and World Report article
                           -The President's view
               -New York primary
               -The President’s wedding anniversary
          -Colson's group
               -Qualities
               -Richard A. Moore, John A. Scali
               -Visit to Capitol

Kissinger entered at 12:27 pm.

     Kissinger's talk with Anatoliy F. Dobrynin
          -Kissinger's possible testimony before Congress
                -Gen. Alexander M. Haig, Jr.

     Kissinger's possible testimony in Congress
          -Disadvantages
                -Flanigan
          -Possible briefing in East Room
                -Advantages
                      -Television
                -Format
                -Fulbright and John C. Stennis
                -Committees
                -Attendees
                -The President's opening statement
                -Various formats
                      -Questions
                      -Statements
                      -Henry M. (“Scoop”) Jackson
                -Kissinger's opening statement
                -Television
                      -Senate ratification
                      -Public relations
                            -Smith

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                -Advantages
                -The President's view
           -Kissinger's television appearances
                 -Timing
                 -Advantages
     -Presidential press conferences
           -Timing
                -Colson
                -1972 election
                -US foreign policy
                -US domestic policy
                -Republican convention
           -Democratic convention
           -The President's image
                -Scali, Moore, Ronald L. Ziegler
           -Kissinger's recommendation
                 -Timing
                      -Kissinger’s trip to PRC
                      -Nikolai V. Podgorny's trip to Hanoi
                 -Charles A. J. M. DeGaulle
                      -Stature
           -Previous administration efforts
                -The President’s speech on Vietnam, November 3, 1969
                -The President’s PRC trip
                      -International Telephone and Telegraph [ITT] case
           -Timing
                -Colson
                -Kissinger
                -Haldeman
                -The President’s policies
           -The President's image
                -Opponents
                -Respect for the President

The President's opponents
     -Different groups
     -Respect for the President

Presidential press conference
     -Timing
           -Date
           -Podgorny trip
           -Kissinger's trip
           -Kissinger’s view

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           -Democratic convention
           -Kissinger’s view
           -Previous television interview of the President
                -Dan Rather
                      -Kissinger’s view
                -Comparison with press conference
                      -Advantages
                -Television interview
                      -Walter L. Cronkite, Jr., Howard K. Smith, John W. Chancellor
                            -Visibility
                      -Rather
                      -Value
                            -Haldeman’s view

Kissinger's possible Congressional briefing
     -Advantages
           -Television
           -Laird, Rogers, Smith
           -Fulbright
     -Opening statment
           -Release to press
           -Length
     -Radio
     -Kissinger
           -Haig
     -Arms control
           -Smith
           -White House involvement
           -The President's intervention

Arms control
    -Message to Congress
          -Administration policy
          -Test Ban Treaty
    -Smith
    -Nonproliferation treaty and Test Ban Treaty
          -The President’s policy
                -Smith
          -Kissinger’s trip to Japan
                -Department of State
                -US policy
                -Eisaku Sato
                -Takeo Fukuda

                                   (rev. Jan-02)

State Department
      -Support for Nonproliferation Treaty
           -The President's view
           -Japanese position

Kissinger's trip to Japan
     -PRC view
     -Fukuda
           -Consultation with US

SALT and Anti-Ballistic Missile [ABM] treaties briefings
    -Fulbright
    -Ratification
    -Congressional hearings
    -Kissinger's testimony
          -Protocol
    -Possible briefing at the White House
          -Timing
    -Executive privilege
    -Kissinger's briefing
          -Timing
          -The President's meeting with Luis Echeverria Alvarez
          -Location
    -Preparation for briefing
    -Timing
    -Kissinger
          -Meeting with Echeverria and Emilio Rabasa
    -Preparation
          -The President’s role
          -Kissinger’s role
    -Timing
          -Echeverria
          -Kissinger
                -Preparation
    -Location
    -Time
    -Clark MacGregor
          -Meeting with Fulbright
    -Kissinger
    -Timing
    -Location
          -White House Theatre
          -Briefing room in Old Executive Office Building [OEOB]

                                   (rev. Jan-02)

          -East Room
     -Timing
     -Length
     -The President's opening of meeting
     -Recording and transcript
     -Timing

Kissinger’s forthcoming trip to PRC
     -Kissinger's briefing of Rogers
           -Haig’s message to Philip C. Habib
           -Rogers's trip
                 -SEATO
                 -ANZUS
                 -North Vietnam
                       -John B. Connally
                            -Hanoi

Press conference by the President
     -Timing
     -Kissinger's trip to PRC
           -Public response
     -Timing
           -Colson
           -Kissinger's trip to the PRC
           -Podgorny's trip to Hanoi
                -Public announcement

Adm. Thomas H. Moorer
    -US bombing in North Vietnam
         -The President’s instructions
              -Podgorny's trip
         -Public announcements
              -PRC protests

PRC policy on Vietnam
    -US bombing
          -Limits on bombing

Kissinger's Congressional briefing
     -Time
           -Wednesday compared with Thursday
     -Radio coverage
           -State Department
     -Transcript

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           -Rogers, Laird
           -Arrangements
           -Timing
           -Length of time
                 -Echeverria welcome ceremony
                       -Public relations
           -Rogers, Laird, and Smith
           -Interruptions
                 -Echeverria welcoming ceremony
           -East Room
                 -Preparation
           -Timing

     Press conference by the President
          -Timing
                -Kissinger’s trip to PRC
          -Podgorny visit to North Vietnam
          -Possible private US-North Vietnam negotiations

Kissinger left at 1:15 pm.

     Possible Presidential press conference
          -Domestic policy
          -Announcement
                -Possible wording
                      -Domestic policy
          -Timing
          -Subjects
                -Foreign policy
                      -SALT
                -Domestic questions
          -Timing
                -Announcement
                -Kissinger
                -Ehrlichman
          -Domestic policy
                -The President's view
          -MacGregor

Haldeman left at 1:18 pm.

No transcript is available for this conversation.