{"conversationCode":"746-011","tapeNumber":746,"conversationNumber":11,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-746-011","startDateTime":"1972-07-01T15:07:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1972-07-01T15:12:00.000Z","startDate":"1-Jul-1972","startTime":"11:07 AM","endDate":"1-Jul-1972","endTime":"11:12 AM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"estimated","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Johnson, U. Alexis;","description":"On July 1, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon and U. Alexis Johnson met in the Oval Office of the White House at an unknown time between 11:07 am and 11:12 am. 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Alexis"],"prevCode":"746-010","nextCode":"746-012","transcript":[{"start":8.79,"end":17.27,"text":"Bill doesn't want to wait until the 13th when Kevin Durbin is back."},{"start":17.41,"end":20.67,"text":"Grant Hartman, of course,"},{"start":46.45,"end":53.84,"text":"My only information is that they're going to have to go ahead on the 9th and see some other official and help the government."},{"start":54.02,"end":55.1,"text":"It's not his fault."},{"start":55.72,"end":58.96,"text":"But he would have a strong opinion about it."},{"start":59.02,"end":67.49,"text":"Bill apparently very much wants to call on the 9th and then call on some Italian official and then come on."},{"start":67.85,"end":75.68,"text":"Rather than waiting for 13, otherwise he would have to stay around someplace over there."},{"start":76.27,"end":82.49,"text":"But I know this hassle about I've been truly a citizen, having always received it."},{"start":82.75,"end":85.17,"text":"What church is he going to be coming in?"},{"start":85.19,"end":89.77,"text":"Of course, that's an obsession, too."},{"start":90.05,"end":90.83,"text":"What is your view?"},{"start":91.28,"end":96.22,"text":"Will the Italian government feel that bad about it?"},{"start":96.24,"end":96.5,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":103.1,"end":103.4,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":104.36,"end":104.52,"text":"Wow."},{"start":106.25,"end":106.49,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":107.71,"end":110.11,"text":"Wow."},{"start":110.74,"end":110.9,"text":"Oh."},{"start":117.08,"end":117.48,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":118.26,"end":120.3,"text":"Oh yeah."},{"start":120.34,"end":120.62,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":120.84,"end":121.61,"text":"That'd be great."},{"start":127.57,"end":127.79,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":130.11,"end":130.49,"text":"Right."},{"start":132.23,"end":132.83,"text":"I heard it."},{"start":134.5,"end":134.7,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":136.27,"end":136.91,"text":"That's my prayer."},{"start":138.73,"end":139.97,"text":"Let me stay on the Pope."},{"start":140.63,"end":141.67,"text":"We can have a Pope."},{"start":141.69,"end":150.44,"text":"I mean, I just, frankly, it's always good to see the Pope get on so that he doesn't, so he sort of stays in line on other things."},{"start":151.08,"end":153.62,"text":"But we do have a hell of a lot of contacts, right?"},{"start":153.64,"end":158.68,"text":"And my view is that if Algeria would be added, it's infinitely more important."},{"start":159.06,"end":161.58,"text":"Everybody's doing it."},{"start":162.44,"end":164.86,"text":"Yeah, but let me suggest that"},{"start":167.16,"end":193.08,"text":"trying to get him on the phone, but they were like, I'll sort of, sort of, you know, I mean, I'll, it's really, your government is impressed, and Henry wrote a little memorandum, and we've been, I'm just, we're all just, you know, that was said because we don't know what the, what he wants to do, and I don't want to, but you have to listen to your ambassador, in this case, and Mark really feels strongly about it."},{"start":193.12,"end":196.18,"text":"So the Italians are so complacent, even this is apparently the first"},{"start":197.68,"end":199.3,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":200.22,"end":209.56,"text":"Oh, and then, I see."},{"start":210.16,"end":212.32,"text":"Well, then I need you to write one for all of them."},{"start":212.34,"end":213.58,"text":"You should knock off the rankings."},{"start":215.62,"end":217.4,"text":"See, my rank is supposed to be in the 13th."},{"start":217.58,"end":223.58,"text":"Rankings are not supposed to be in the 12th."},{"start":228.73,"end":231.07,"text":"Oh, I see, right, right, well."},{"start":236.04,"end":238.34,"text":"Right, right, yeah."},{"start":242.16,"end":253.17,"text":"Yeah, well, if the Algerian reaction is favorable, I would be very much with that, and then you could go see the Pope, too, which would be the better thing to do."},{"start":254.59,"end":257.21,"text":"Yeah, yeah."},{"start":260.31,"end":263.99,"text":"All right, fine."},{"start":264.15,"end":271.36,"text":"If you would do this, I don't leave one o'clock in California."},{"start":272.3,"end":274.38,"text":"If you would just, Henry's out there."},{"start":287.11,"end":290.59,"text":"If you would just bill him in and tell him that my view is exactly this."},{"start":290.75,"end":293.71,"text":"One, if Algeria is on, then bill on Algeria."},{"start":294.81,"end":300.71,"text":"If two, if it is not on, then he should not see the vote."},{"start":302.41,"end":305.13,"text":"And leave that under Reagan and come on."},{"start":305.33,"end":308.33,"text":"And that's the way we should operate."},{"start":308.39,"end":313.56,"text":"Because I can see that Bill probably isn't going to have a lot to say about it."},{"start":314.08,"end":315.16,"text":"I just wanted somebody..."},{"start":315.85,"end":317.27,"text":"Well, I wanted somebody to see."},{"start":317.55,"end":318.45,"text":"That was it, you know."},{"start":318.67,"end":322.75,"text":"Since nobody has seen since the Russian trip, I wanted somebody to see the boat."},{"start":323.15,"end":325.41,"text":"But Randy didn't do it."},{"start":325.43,"end":326.23,"text":"Sure, sure."},{"start":327.93,"end":330.13,"text":"You just go in there and tell them."},{"start":330.37,"end":335.88,"text":"I just signed something saying it's okay to go and so forth."},{"start":336.12,"end":339.08,"text":"I got the impression he wanted to go."},{"start":339.14,"end":342.38,"text":"But in spite of that, you could tell them everything."},{"start":342.62,"end":344.42,"text":"One, I prefer the Algeria."},{"start":345.57,"end":345.95,"text":"Okay."},{"start":345.97,"end":346.25,"text":"All right."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon consults with U. 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Ultimately, Nixon instructs Johnson to prioritize the Algerian contact and directs that a meeting with the Pope should only proceed if the Algerian arrangement is finalized.","topics":["Diplomacy","Algeria","The Vatican","Foreign Policy","Scheduling"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-07T03:46:50.369Z"},"topicSlugs":["diplomacy","algeria","the-vatican","foreign-policy","scheduling"],"audioDurationSec":364,"audioFiles":[{"file":"746-011.mp3","bytes":8740152,"durationSec":364.12,"bitrate":192027,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:19:57.689Z","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/746-011.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/746-011","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/746/conversation-746-011","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). AI-generated fields (transcript, aiSummary) are provided as-is without warranty."}