Conversation 748-003

On July 20, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon, Charles W. Colson, H. R. ("Bob") Haldeman, White House operator, Marjorie P. Acker, Margaretta ("Happy") Rockefeller, and Jay Lovestone met in the Oval Office of the White House from 9:45 am to 10:38 am. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 748-003 of the White House Tapes.

Conversation No. 748-3

Date: July 20, 1972
Time: 9:45 am - 10:38 am
Location: Oval Office

The President met with Charles W. Colson.

      The President’s schedule
           -Governors
                -Revenue sharing
                      -1972 election
                      -Forthcoming meeting

      Revenue sharing

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[Personal returnable]
[Duration: 4m 20s ]

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The President talked with an unknown person at an unknown time between 9:45 am and 9:54
am.

[Conversation No. 748-3A]

     Possible letter to Margaretta (“Happy”) Rockefeller
          -Rockefeller's mother death

[End of telephone conversation]

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BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 2
[Personal returnable]
[Duration: 4m 9s      ]

The President left at an unknown time before 9:54 am.

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An unknown person [H. R. (“Bob”) Haldeman?] entered at an unknown time after 9:45 am.

     The President’s schedule

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An unknown person [Haldeman?] left and the President entered at an unknown time before 9:54
am.

The White House operator talked with Colson at an unknown time between 9:45 am and 9:54
am.

[Conversation No. 748-3B]

[See Conversation No. 27-16]

     Marjorie P. Acker
         -Telephone call

The President talked with Acker at an unknown time between 9:45 am and 9:54 am.

[End of telephone conversation]

The President talked with the White House operator at an unknown time between 9:45 am and
9:54 am.

[Conversation No. 748-3C]

[See Conversation No. 27-17]

[End of telephone conversation]

     Margaretta Rockefeller
         -Condolence letter
               -Nelson A. Rockefeller’s schedule
                    -Israel
               -White House staff
               -The President's conversation with Dr. W. Kenneth Riland July 19, 1972
               -White House staff

     White House staff

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[Personal returnable]
[Duration: 5m 5s ]

The P resident talked with Margaretta Rockefeller between 9:54 am and 9:56 am.

[Conversation No. 748-3d]

[See Conversation No. 27-18]

[End of telephone conversation]

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     Labor
         -Vote
               -George S. McGovern
          -The President’s action on Pay Board
               -George Meany

     McGovern's statement on “power brokers”
        -Jay Lovestone

     Lovestone’s schedule

The President talked with the White House operator at an unknown time between 9:56 am and
10:38 am.

[Conversation No. 748-3E]

[See Conversation No. 27-19]

[End of telephone conversation]

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     Colson's forthcoming call to Lovestone
          -McGovern's statement on "power brokers"
                -The President’s reaction
                -Effect on rank and file
                -Meany
                     -The President's treatment
                          -John B. Connally
                          -News conference comment
                                 -Timing
                                       -American Federation of Labor-Congress of Industrial
                                            Organizations [AFL-CIO] convention
                                 -National defense
          -Motive
                -Votes
          -Media coverage
                -Haldeman
                -News summary
                -Unknown person

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[Personal returnable]
[Duration: 30m 44s ]

Colson talked with Lovestone at an unknown time between 9:56 am and 10:38 am.

[Conversation No. 748-3F]

[See Conversation No. 27-20]

[End of telephone conversation]

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Colson left at 10:38 am.

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This transcript was generated automatically by AI and has not been reviewed for accuracy. Do not cite this transcript as authoritative. Consult the Finding Aid above for verified information.

Point.
Well, it's always a search risk.
They all have the little things they want.
Farmers for this.
All concerned with revenue sharing, which isn't going to change.
Five votes in the election.
Well, that's what this meeting is about.
But I'm on the record now.
Or something.
Well, you have to do it because it's ours, and it's a good thing.
Yeah, yeah.
It's a good thing.
Yeah.
It ultimately is a good thing.
Would you check and call me?
Okay.
This is Nelson Rockefeller, the writer of the New York Times.
Goddamn, your mother died.
Nelson, you're making a trade.
You can't take a good vision.
Goddamn, this is not what I should be staffed to get a letter out for.
I mentioned that Nelson and I came through.
Do you want to be either?
We're awfully good at this.
We do letters and so forth.
But Jesus used to be the wife of the governor of New York's mother.
Nothing for the best.
Well, it's the life's fault.
We have too many people working on things and no responsibility.
And things like that, I mean, it's sort of catch as catch can.
Well, we do get very, very systematic.
We're pretty good.
I mean, I see letters and flowers and everybody to tell a lot of people less important.
I'll come back to the labor thing.
McGovern cannot do that now, Mr. President.
He will do two things.
If he attacks the labor bosses, he will alienate them now as a labor rank and file.
Not because he attacks the labor bosses, but because he sucked around and tried to get them.
And then when he couldn't get them, it was Saturday.
That's weakness to them.
Jesus, you just can't do that.
You went in there on the legitimate issue, where it was the public versus me on the payboard.
And you hit them, and you
But you hit him fair and square.
I wondered if you were going to have a problem with your friend about the power broker statement.
For most of them?
No.
He didn't want to fall down.
He said he couldn't see anything.
He is.
He was trying to set a picture.
Okay.
Okay.
Shave those off.
There we go.
This is a shot to find his car.
And then, Tom, I'm going to listen to you.
I'm going to tell you that you know something.
I'm sorry.
I'm going to tell you that you know something.
I was the president.
I'm complicated.
The president never took me on.
The president of the interview and others, I've never been involved, never done.
I've always shown respect for him as, you know, what a great American.
Well, just say to the member of my institution, I'm going to try to have a great American.
When others do not stand up on things that I told in this conference, a week after my office here, a week after he kicked me in the ass down there and there, that he was a great American.
He stood by matters of nationality.
is kneeling about that around because he wanted their votes.
What are your feelings about the way it's carried?
Bob was pleased with it.
I didn't care.
Most times.
Yeah.
Enormously.
I couldn't have played better.
Played better out there.
Yes, sir.
Only a fellow who started down for it.
Let's...