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Mr. President.

Hi, how are you?

Good, sir.

This is the new Sunday stand right over here.

This is the one in the wagon.

This is the other one.

This is the general.

That's the very kind of stand I'm going to get.

You've lost weight, huh?

Yep.

About 140, something like that.

Who's running the office?

I'm the president.

I'm going to start to sit back and look right at the buzzer.

I have two purposes to speak to you today.

One, the reality is not as important as some are here.

As you know, its importance has been indicated by the fact that I've tried to implement a program for getting it down the hill.

You're working on it now, aren't you?

I'm trying to do the A&B.

You're working at the A&B.

It's a question of transferring their manpower .. Yeah.

Well, they don't have to really do it quite the same way we do as well.

But the main thing is to have congressmen and senators to be reading something other than the Washington Post or the New York Times and even start that matter every day and thinking that's the news, and also looking only at some channels.

And that will weigh three or four days a year from their daily papers at home.

And it's not as financial.

It is going to be totally reassuring, but at least give some balance.

had this tremendous potential on the youth vote, which was sort of conspicuous by the fact that they hadn't reported the latest data.

We're about to get it tomorrow.

That's right.

It's really a nervous job.

You all did it.

This is a group that doesn't know what's going on.

Right.

They sort of come in in the morning and say, what time is it?

You come in.

You work hard in the night.

In other words, you get it all done.

It's a fantastic job.

I think that the, uh, I think that at this point, uh, there are, and it may have to do, or don't have to, but I've had somebody for this purpose, and I'm not going to face drive.

At this point, I think that for the purposes of the campaign, we need to, uh, to get a weekly rundown on, uh, like the efferent analysis of, uh,

not paper by paper or network by network or something like that, but just generally speaking, I would say television.

In other words, if you could say, taking a scale of ten, it's nine, whatever, three of us, so that we know how poisonous the press has been.

But I think in terms of our own you'll sit here and we'll make our

our service, and we'll go on television and all that sort of thing.

And we'll say, gee, this is a great story, and we're getting this great trouble the opposition's having.

And then day after day, like the grips on a rock, I mean, they'll be pounding in there on you.

So I'd like to perhaps in three different areas, just that first round, I wouldn't try to put one against the other.

In other words, and I don't think you should count the words that she did and all of the leaders who are great.

get that to sort of make it so that we sit around and just make a, what is your best judgment of this, how it went around?

Like, for example, you know, this is a bad week, this is a good week, this is a bad day, this is a good day.

And it'll take you a while to get it.

So when we get it, say, from about the middle of September, you'll have, I would hope,

perfected to the point that it could be a useful indicator so we can watch what's happening.

There was one survey that was taken by the American Institute of Political Communication, which had five McGovern people doing their survey.

And I saw that one.

Yeah.

And then Mr. Nicholson couldn't take the heat, so he resigned from the board.

But everybody else stayed on the board.

But this is, I just think, you know, that I'm thinking of this perhaps not so much for the ,, or something like that.

That could happen, too.

But I think more of that's going to be done selectively, rather than just having him all unite .

But I think that we need to know.

I would think that, and then I would say, you see, when you've got the New York Times and the Washington Post in the mix,

you try to get a sturdy view of the name of the news that's reported, I would say, next I would have the wires, I'd separate them out, because the wires are still read by my speaker, the wires, and then say other papers, the wire that was reported, other people's reports, and then columns.

That's the lowest column denominator because it has the least effect on voters as it gets closer to election day.

right here on our side.

And Bill White says it doesn't really affect any votes when you get into the last six weeks of the campaign.

But nevertheless, we need to know him.

And now, I think that should be done.

And it's not their group.

That should be done only for, say, just for our own purposes.

I would send it to Coastal Shop.

I was sent to Baltimore.

And beyond that, you'll see whether we found any issues.

Because we, and it's very important that this becomes highly confidential.

I don't want to, you know, leak out that we're raiding the press, you know, until it's black, until it's silver.

I got that on there.

So it's probably good to figure it out.

I figured it out anyway.

The main thing is so that we know what's happening.

Because otherwise, you get in the heat of the campaign.

So you're out making speeches, and you're moving around the country, and all that sort of thing.

And you'll be thinking of what you're doing and the reaction to that.

But the other goal is to interact with him without knowing that out there, most of them are, is the third estate or the fourth estate just knocking their brains out, which is what they did in 68, for that matter's sake.

So this time, it's going to be knocking it out, but we just like to know how, whether we are doing a little better.

Now, uh... Maybe a couple of blunders, but you cautioned that one that Joe thinks is too...

Which is beautiful.

Isn't that great?

Well, that's been a lot of attention.

Well, I know several of them have said that.

Some of them have said it.

Which was it, son?

The New York chapter, which one urged that one was going to resign.

Well, the New York Daily News.

Well, they did put an ad in the Post yesterday.

I heard about it.

Why did they do that?

Why is it for a debate?

Well, I don't know.

Well, it's the first thing, though.

They took it first.

And then suddenly, they put it in a sewer plate.

And said they couldn't do another paper.

Why?

I saw that.

What do you mean?

Well, I think the first thing was, in fact, I don't know what the guilt is.

Well, I think it's the idea of the press and reporters who endorse it.

And the government, this is something that they figure out right now.

They figure it out right now.

The guilt came out.

They made it endorse it.

Well, when the first one was through office, one day, they'll have a door.

They'll do it for the greatest of people.

You know, it's a delight to have the support of the superior people.

Therefore, we've got the support of these and those guys, named this, all the fit signs, and Peter Brown, and, you know, and Teddy Gleason.

He's got the superior people.

Don't you think so?

Doesn't that keep that in mind, at least?

Yeah, sure.

But anyway, I think on this news thing, I want to keep this very close in, because I don't want to hurt people on this staff generally.

It's negative enough as it is, and during the campaign, it's as good as it could.

I mean, it just kind of flipped with this press proposition, because the moral virtues of Georgia

I thought one of the most shocking damn things I've ever seen.

What's that name?

Lead editorial on where they were practically responsible for the African slave labor .

And then they did Connolly and then .

But on this, we could have that.

So you see, basically, just say this week,

We might just say, this week, we would say that on a scale of 10, that was a well-heard, rather than scale, maybe to figure out the best way, that they had a better effort, two to one, or five to three, or 60.

Now, they do it like a poll.

60-40.

In other words, whatever the polls might show on our country or carry to us, we want to know.

And in the press, in their union, at least, on television, it was 70-31.

Among the columnists, it was 90-10.

And the wire services, 65-35.

See what I mean?

Other than wire services, you know, other news reports around the country.

He did the Tribune and the rest, sort of figuring in terms, incidentally, there.

Circulation, I'd balance it that way.

In other words, I wouldn't give the same kind.

Well, the other thing, I dated his vaccines, too.

Yeah.

Not the other, not the small ones.

I leave out the New Republic, but I take the three, three news magazines that I would like.

I think that would be a very useful thing, news magazines.

Then you see, that will get our own people to understand.

People tend to do, well, they'll do one or two things.

They'll either want to believe the worst,

And we'll have some of it.

But also, if they're working it, they want to believe they're doing very well.

They've got to realize that if we're not doing well, we can do it now.

And we will use this.

We'll use this to say, all people have to work.

We're going to say, look, here's what we're getting.

So maybe you've got to drive them higher.

It may not change anything, but it might.

It might change it.

So it's going to be very troubling.

And it'll be an interesting thing for you to do, too.

Yeah, because sometimes

Yeah, it's not a convention.

What you could do, I think the way you do it every day, you can sort of make an appraisal on each of you so that each of you can participate so that you can have the fun of it, you know.

And one takes this and one takes that.

And then maybe mix it up and turn it around and then you can see what the operation is.

Okay.

Anyone?

Okay, we'll add that up.

I just got to thank you.

I was just going to ask you a question.

Well, if we do, one of them can break it out and say it's required.

And we do, and we speak on it.

Just thinking, the other night, how Razor, they ran about three or four labor bosses in a row that had all been announced from the government to show that they weren't dealing with meaning.

And at the end, Razor must have felt that this was so one-sided or something, because he came out and he said, we will be showing other labor leaders that they probably won't help people from the government.

They're sensitive.

That's why that immediate action to the guild thing.

Three or four years ago, the guild thing

I think we'll get a better shape.

We worked on that well.

Some of the editorial, some of the columnists, except for the left ones, are going to be hard-picked.

The television is the game.

That's where I want you to spend most of your effort.

He's got a break.

He's got to shoot back.

He's got to fall down.

Oh, and Perkins.

Jack Perkins.

He's got two guys that are just in the bag there.

What do you mean?

Perkins, our classic story on Jack Perkins.

NBC is the champion of Reagan in the 70 campaigns.

mentioned how Reagan suggested that he had an idea for the student rides.

He said, maybe we need a bloodbath.

At the same time, the reporter was talking.

He said, they had Reagan in a shooting gallery.

He's black and white.

Yeah.

Well, the other ones that I, the reporting of this labor thing, it's been some time.

Well, they, depending on the span of our reporting, there's whatever channel that channel is.

to be very useful patterns.

First, if TV, let me put it this way, in a factor of 60, certainly, two to one, spend the time making sure the TV evaluation is the best.

And if you can make it out, it takes work putting in the three networks.

I'll just say, great.

And I think what we could do is break out the TV from the other portion of the news.

So if we keep those as segments, then we've

don't need it, whether it's network, but network means only that you have to pull out the network.

Just so we know what people are hearing.

You know, we can get an idea of the kind of play we're getting on for this thing.

But the wires, except for their features, they're pretty straight.

Now, there have been some features that have lapped all over George here in the last couple weeks, but man, that's just a result of the nomination.

Let's put it this way, the nomination of one of their own.

I didn't remember that they ever lapped over me when I was not

In terms of the later, you know, I was thinking

of how they tried to turn it around.

It was Daniel Shore, Douglas Teichner, and the others of you, and Teichner gets a pair of deuces, do you see them?

Yeah, they seduce him.

But Teichner's always been a bad one, you know, real bad.

And then the other one, of course, was Mudd, I mean, Rajma.

And the freedom, the way they twisted and

I mean, it didn't mean anything.

The sexual labor doesn't follow with losses.

And really, it's probably an asset for my brother, because he's against, this proves he's against the establishment.

They didn't say that when I took meaning on it in Florida, did they?

No.

I said, it's a terrible thing and all, a big breach of meaning.

Huh?

The romance is over.

You know, more relationships are established now.

It does show you there's a double standard.

But it's a good thing that, what is your view, one last thing, what is your view about the situation on this?

Do you think Pat, I think I saw something from you or somebody, said we should just let it fester?

That's it.

I don't think we'd let that sit, because they're verified, and they all know it.

And we haven't made any hard charge go-waters yet.

Oh, go-waters, this is what's to be expected.

I don't think there's anything we can do about it really.

I think you might just send out about 10,000 copies to all those weekly papers, daily papers, both of each other.

A lot of those guys you see, a lot of those people down there, they didn't use the networks.

They didn't use the news magazines.

I don't know.

I haven't gone through that.

They covered that five or six days of hearings on the day that she was out there.

There was no coverage at all.

Do you think it will get through?

You see that I have a vice president, and I spoke to him quite directly with regard to this president.

In fact, he was going to call it a day.

He was ready to go out hard and really kick on it, right?

I just can't do that right now.

I said, unless we decide that you can't until a later time.

He said, right now, right after you've been, you know, selected for re-nomination, they'll write that and nothing else.

I said, that's your problem.

He said, you're not going to make me fail.

I said, nothing else is going to make me lose.

That's true.

But if he had gone out and just ripped the press off one side and now he had her out there, that would have been the worst thing he could do.

Now, there can be a time when he may have to.

We'll be on a target, but I have the dope on these cabs.

It might have to be the network cabs, I think.

Because, yeah, that's my one big concern.

The other is you just kind of have to write all the time.

Sure.

It works too much over the air at times.

You know, I'm going to bother and let them go.

The post, you can't do anything.

The wire services I would watch.

They're important because they also, in fact, load into the show.

Oh, sure.

The ticker's off.

Radio.

But I was thinking if you could get the... All right.

We're keeping these pictures that they're running on candidates, and we're going to wait until that Republican convention to see what kind of ones they come up with that the GOP has picked as candidates.

Well, that's because they've already wrote them.

Well, that's because they've already written them.

But would you mind checking?

I think that anybody that wrote such a feature might say, why don't you write it?

Tell us one.

I mean, for example, I noticed the Star was picking up a book, one of these punk books.

Well, I haven't had any punk books.

I've never made you one.

I've never won the Eric Henry.

You know what I mean?

It wasn't a punk book.

It was a balance thing.

And it didn't come during the election.

He's the guy that was caught over Cambodia by the country.

Actually, he's got some rough stuff in there.

He's got some rough stuff in there.

Oh, what?

He's got a quote on that.

Dale, I mean, the one about the Chicago cops were going and saw some bitches and things.

In fact, Carl Mutt, where he said, I hated him.

Of course, you don't know if that'll turn out.

You don't know if that'll turn out.

But there's a lot of good quotes that we've drawn.

He said, I hated his guts and hated him so much, I lost my sense of balance.

He has a quote on Carl Mutt in 1960.

And there's some other things in there that are useful.

How about I say that like this?

This would be very important.

This is a very serious issue.

So this is Mr.

Fairness.

I have read the book.

You say I'm a responsible person.

Here are some of the quotes that you did not use.

Well, imagine they're all using the same answer.

They probably used the same answer.

And probably somebody took the splice stuff from them.

And they probably all used the same one.

But at the same time, they didn't collect it.

What I'm saying is, get out of there.

papers and use them and say, how stupid would you be to have read the book and why didn't you use these things?

Does that have free exposals?

Well, I've got to get you back to work and see if you can get your new gimmicks here.

I've got two girls here.

This is what they call it, the girls.

Well, we appreciate all your hard work.

I don't think the people who lived in Washington and read only the New York Times and the Washington Post, but they're one that probably would go right

Thank you very much.