Nixon White House Tapes › Tape 756 › Conversation 756-010
Nixon, Maltester & Gunther on Revenue sharing and 1972 presidential campaign
Friday, July 28, 1972 · 11:56 AM–12:09 PM ET · Oval Office · 6 min
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President Nixon met with Jack D. Maltester, John J. Gunther, and John D. Ehrlichman to discuss the legislative status of federal revenue sharing and the political landscape of the 1972 presidential campaign. Participants analyzed strategies for securing support for revenue sharing in the Senate Finance Committee, particularly in light of Senator Allen J. Ellender’s recent death. The group also examined potential endorsements from Democratic mayors and the importance of securing the California vote in the upcoming election.
- Revenue sharing
- 1972 presidential campaign
- California politics
- Senate Finance Committee
- Democratic endorsements
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Mr. Mayor?
Mr. President, well, hi, how are you?
California News, hello there.
This is Dr. Vaughn, the city councilor.
Yes, how are you?
Good to see you.
Good to see you.
Let's see, I want a picture of us here.
Why don't we sit over here?
Right over here.
Here, sit here.
Down here.
Oh, yeah.
Oh, wait.
No.
I'd like to take it here, but he's presenting me a, what's it called, a bison, right?
Right.
Right.
But we do it for a reason.
Alright, alright.
This is a...
I don't know if you can see this, but... Yeah, we got it.
There's this thing in the corner.
He's the one that has to go.
He's the one that has to go.
Alright.
He went to that person.
Alright.
And I've been in a bad situation.
I've got to put that through here.
Tell me this, how are we looking?
I don't know if I can share it, John.
How do you deal with it?
We, Matt, we met with you the other day when I was doing Testify, and we talked to Russell a couple times.
He said that it took close hearings down today, and he said that it has to happen again next week.
Senator Allender's got my soul hung a little bit, but I don't think so.
He's got a screwy idea on a referendum or something about how to spend the money.
We've got to get that out.
I understand he's on to that pretty well.
I don't know if that caused any of that.
John, if you would have a talk here...
I think this is the time to do that.
Thank you.
Well, I think I can talk to you about that, but I think we do.
I'll just put her right to it.
That would be a good opportunity to do it.
Well, your follow-up on that is, they responded to that committee for a pretty good amount of time.
I don't think Carl heard of it.
Everybody else looked at it.
Carl was the first guy to do it.
I can't gather a group of cops when I do that.
You can't.
But I've got a few other people working on it.
Abel followed God and he's a responsible man.
How the devil can he be against this?
This is the one thing that is totally non-partisan.
Excuse me.
Both platforms, the 58 were foreign.
Talk about it.
McGarrett even is talking about it.
Oh, yes.
Oh, and this one, we had two guys on the drafting committee of the Democratic platform, and they said, we are for general revenue here.
Just bang.
No ifs, ands, or buts.
Right in the right words.
So I put it together.
John, John, he doesn't get into politics.
But I'll tell you, if he doesn't get around to it, we're going to kick his tail off.
I really haven't done anything wrong.
I've been to Congress, and I've been to senators, and I've been to mayors, and I've been to governors, and I've been to county ministers, and of course we've worked with the business community.
We've mailed stuff to them.
But we...
But, and also, let's face it, the Vice President can do lots of things, but I've given this to him as his first responsibility.
Well, there's a lot of work for me, and he's working.
All right.
Now, on the Congress thing, though, I'll work notes.
I'll do my best to put it.
I mean, not notes on the phone.
You've got those ready.
But the phone is hard to get out.
Thank you.
And so we want to talk to them.
You'll also want us on a base.
Oh, sure.
Oh, listen.
I think we haven't gotten to it.
Well, there's yours.
And the pen is the same.
That's Brandon's.
Thank you.
NARA Description
On July 28, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon, Jack D. Maltester, John J. Gunther, and John D. Ehrlichman met in the Oval Office of the White House from 11:56 am to 12:09 pm. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 756-010 of the White House Tapes.
Nixon Library Finding Aid
Conversation No. 756-10
Date: July 28, 1972
Time: 11:56 am - 12:09 pm
Location: Oval Office
The President met with Jack D. Maltester, John J. Gunther, and John D. Ehrlichman.
Greetings
Arrangements for photograph session
-Presentation of medallion to the President
-Anniversary of San Leandro, California
-Certificate
-The President’s previous trip to San Leandro
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[Previous archivists categorized this section as unintelligible. It has been rereviewed and
released 11/01/2022.]
[Personal Returnable]
[756-010-w001]
[Duration: 4m 27s]
Jack D. Maltester's July 27, 1972 conversation with William H. Nichols
1972 campaign
-Public statements
-Governor
Manolo Sanchez entered at an unknown time after 11:56 A.M.
Refreshments
Sanchez left at an unknown time before 12:09 P.M.
1972 campaign
-Jack D. Maltester's role
-The President's conversation with Ken Cotten [?]
-California
-Mayors and commissioners
-Nonpartisan nature
-Earl Warren
-1950 campaign
-California
-New cities
-Population
-San Diego
-Orange County
-Santa Ana
-Whittier
-John Garrold
-[First name unknown] Judson [?]
-Wife's telephone call to Jack D. Maltester
-Support of the President
-Henry W. Maier
-Mary Ann Maier
-Conversation with the President
-Speech
-Democratic National Convention
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Pending legislation
-Revenue sharing
-Testimony
-Maltester's conversation with Russell B. Long
-Timetable
-Allen J. Ellender's death
-Possible referendum
-The President's schedule
-Ellender’s funeral
-Long
-Republican National Convention
-Senate Finance Committee
-Carl T. Curtis
-Wallace F. Bennett
-Abraham A. Ribicoff
-As non-partisan issue
-Party platform
-George S. McGovern
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[Previous archivists categorized this section as unintelligible. It has been rereviewed and
released 11/01/2022.]
[Personal Returnable]
[756-010-w002]
[Duration: 3m 9s]
1972 campaign
-Democratic mayor’s possible endorsement of the President
-C. Beverly Briley
-Nashville
-Timing
-California
-Importance
-Population
-Northern California
-Importance
-Alameda Times
-The President’s conversation with Herbert G. Klein
-Editor
-Chip Wills
-Teamsters
-Bay Area
-Valley
-Sacramento
-Publisher of Record-Journal
-Elder Gunter
-Jack D. Maltester
-Background
-Clark MacGregor
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Pending legislation
-Revenue sharing
-Administration's efforts
-Ehrlichman
-The President’s meetings with Congressmen, Senators, mayors,
governors, county commissioners, business community
-Mailings
-Vice President Spiro T. Agnew
-Welfare reform
-The President's schedule
-Wilbur D. Mills
-Long
-Welfare
-Possible conversation with Ehrlichman
Presentation of gifts by the President
-Cufflinks
-Presidential seal
-Pins
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[Previous archivists categorized this section as unintelligible. It has been rereviewed and
released 11/01/2022.]
[Personal Returnable]
[756-010-w003]
[Duration: 51s]
1972 campaign
-Mary Ann Meier’s statement
-Radio
-Endorsement of the President
-Jack D. Maltester’s wife’s reaction
-Henry W. Meier
-[Thomas] Hale Boggs
-Previous meeting with the President [?]
-Jack D. Maltester’s relations with Spiro T. Agnew’s office
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[General conversation]
Maltester, Gunther, and Ehrlichman left at 12:09 pm.Also recorded on July 28, 1972
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Cite this conversation
Conversation 756-010, July 28, 1972. White House Tapes, Richard Nixon Presidential Library and Museum, National Archives. Audio and AI transcript via Easy Nixon, https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/756-010 (accessed October 1, 2026).