{"conversationCode":"756-011","tapeNumber":756,"conversationNumber":11,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-756-011","startDateTime":"1972-07-28T16:24:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1972-07-28T16:28:00.000Z","startDate":"28-Jul-1972","startTime":"12:24 PM","endDate":"28-Jul-1972","endTime":"12:28 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Colson, Charles W.;","description":"On July 28, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon and Charles W. Colson met in the Oval Office of the White House from 12:24 pm to 12:28 pm. 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It has been rereviewed and\nreleased 11/01/2022.]\n[Personal Returnable]\n[756-011-w001]\n[Duration: 1m 54s]\n\n*****************************************************************","filename":["756-011.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Colson, Charles W."],"prevCode":"756-010","nextCode":"756-012","transcript":[{"start":7.44,"end":13.62,"text":"Yeah, I wanted to tell you earlier when I said you were sort of concerned about some piece of money."},{"start":14.54,"end":16.41,"text":"That's not what it's great about."},{"start":17.21,"end":17.99,"text":"Let me just say this."},{"start":18.01,"end":26.61,"text":"The one thing I want to particularly say to you, and this has got to be true for everybody, is my rule in regard to the columns and the grades."},{"start":27.55,"end":28.25,"text":"It's always this."},{"start":28.37,"end":31.85,"text":"First, if they don't criticize you, you aren't doing anything."},{"start":32.73,"end":39.21,"text":"The second point, and this is important, you want to remember, the reason they do it is to try to get you to lay off."},{"start":39.39,"end":40.75,"text":"And second, get out of your skin."},{"start":41.53,"end":43.67,"text":"And so don't let him get out of your skin."},{"start":43.83,"end":44.89,"text":"Just beat the bastards."},{"start":45.39,"end":46.79,"text":"And that's what we're going to do."},{"start":46.85,"end":48.55,"text":"Don't let him hurt you."},{"start":48.57,"end":51.49,"text":"It will pass, but he's just a nasty bastard."},{"start":52.4,"end":54.62,"text":"And he is a smack of what's in a whole bad bunch."},{"start":54.68,"end":57.16,"text":"But they're going to be beaten, and that's why they're squealing."},{"start":57.62,"end":59.06,"text":"And don't you worry about it."},{"start":59.66,"end":62.88,"text":"And just said, I just felt that I considered a badge of honor."},{"start":63.42,"end":66.62,"text":"Look, if you think what I did is true, hell, you shouldn't be worried."},{"start":66.64,"end":68.4,"text":"All you tell your kids that now and then, okay?"},{"start":70.82,"end":71.08,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":72.62,"end":75.54,"text":"Oh, of course, because it's so unfair and so rough."},{"start":76.08,"end":78.92,"text":"And they never say this about these other bastards."},{"start":79.7,"end":80.75,"text":"I mean, it's unbelievable."},{"start":80.98,"end":86.43,"text":"On the other hand, let me say, they're having their problems too, Chuck."},{"start":92.91,"end":93.87,"text":"I know you are."},{"start":93.99,"end":94.65,"text":"I don't get it."},{"start":96.41,"end":97.29,"text":"I'm not sure."},{"start":97.37,"end":97.81,"text":"One day we will."},{"start":103.3,"end":107.4,"text":"It's just... And also, they want to punch you."},{"start":107.54,"end":108.3,"text":"They want to make you..."},{"start":109.08,"end":109.38,"text":"afraid."},{"start":109.4,"end":111.02,"text":"They want to make you a gunshot."},{"start":111.12,"end":111.92,"text":"A gunshot."},{"start":112.92,"end":113.36,"text":"And I am."},{"start":113.83,"end":114.95,"text":"I'm a great believer."},{"start":115.13,"end":117.75,"text":"As you know, a lot of people don't believe it."},{"start":117.77,"end":118.73,"text":"I do not read."},{"start":119.55,"end":124.01,"text":"I do not read the editorial pages, believe me, of any of those goddamn papers."},{"start":124.23,"end":125.58,"text":"I'll go ahead and shoot them this summer."},{"start":125.75,"end":126.28,"text":"But that's all."},{"start":127.02,"end":127.9,"text":"Don't ever do it."},{"start":127.98,"end":128.68,"text":"It isn't worth it."},{"start":130.14,"end":130.4,"text":"Sure."},{"start":131.86,"end":132.18,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":132.2,"end":133.22,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":133.3,"end":138.81,"text":"All right."},{"start":139.59,"end":140.11,"text":"Go ahead, I'm just waiting."},{"start":140.13,"end":140.69,"text":"We're only an hour away."},{"start":140.71,"end":141.45,"text":"But anyway, I've got to go to bed."},{"start":141.47,"end":142.05,"text":"We're only an hour away."},{"start":142.07,"end":142.61,"text":"We're only an hour away."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon met with Charles W. Colson to offer personal encouragement following negative media coverage and political criticism. Nixon advised Colson to remain resilient, framing media attacks as a tactical attempt to induce fear and undermine the administration's resolve. He urged Colson to ignore editorial criticism and maintain a combative posture toward their political adversaries.","topics":["Media criticism","Political strategy","Public relations","Presidential morale","Charles Colson"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-07T03:57:45.405Z"},"topicSlugs":["media-criticism","political-strategy","public-relations","presidential-morale","charles-colson"],"audioDurationSec":163,"audioFiles":[{"file":"756-011.mp3","bytes":3922128,"durationSec":163.35,"bitrate":192088,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:19:57.944Z","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/756-011.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/756-011","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/756/conversation-756-011","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). AI-generated fields (transcript, aiSummary) are provided as-is without warranty."}