{"conversationCode":"758-017","tapeNumber":758,"conversationNumber":17,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-758-017","startDateTime":"1972-08-01T20:57:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1972-08-01T21:17:00.000Z","startDate":"1-Aug-1972","startTime":"4:57 PM","endDate":"1-Aug-1972","endTime":"5:17 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Cook, Richard K.; Friedersdorf, Max L.; Nidecker, John E.; Bishop, John J., Jr.; Dowd, William F.; Robison, Howard W.; Erlenborn, John N.; Zwach, John M.; Cederberg, Elford A.; Gubser, Charles S.; Crane, Philip M.; Mosher, Charles A.; Andrews, Mark; Duncan, John; Burke, J. Herbert; Findley, Paul; Kyl, John; O'Konski, Alvin E.; Myers, John T.; Lujan, Manuel, Jr.; Clawson, Delwin M.; Archer, William, Jr.; Snyder, M. Gene; Case, Clifford P.; Hatfield, Mark O.; Biester, Edward G., Jr.; Brown, Garry E.; Conte, Silvio O.; Davis, Glenn R.; Derwinski, Edward J.; Dickinson, William L.; Hosmer, Craig; Martin, David T.; Minshall, William E.; Nelsen, Ancher; Rhodes, John J.; Ruppe, Philip E.; Sandman, Charles W., Jr.; Saylor, John P.; Scherle, William J.; White House photographer;","description":"On August 1, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon, Richard K. Cook, Max L. Friedersdorf, John E. Nidecker, and incumbent Republican Congressmen and candidates, including John J. Bishop, Jr., William J. Dowd, Howard W. Robison, John N. Erlenborn, John M. Zwach, Elford A. Cederberg, Charles S. Gubser, Philip M. Crane, Charles A. Mosher, Mark Andrews, John J. Duncan, J. Herbert Burke, Paul Findley, John Kyl, Alvin O'Konski, John T. Myers, Manuel Lujan, Jr., Delwin M. Clawson, William Archer, Jr., M. Gene Snyder, Clifford P. Case, Mark O. Hatfield, Edward G. Biester, Jr., Garry E. Brown, Silvio O. Conte, Glenn R. Davis, Edward J. Derwinski, William L. Dickinson, Craig Hosmer, David T. Martin, William E. Minshall, Ancher Nelsen, John J. Rhodes, Philip E. Ruppe, Charles W. Sandman, Jr., John P. Saylor, William Scherle, and White House photographer, met in the Oval Office of the White House from 4:57 pm to 5:17 pm. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 758-017 of the White House Tapes.","locationCode":"OVAL","recordingDevice":"Oval Office","latitudeEstimated":38.8974,"longitudeEstimated":-77.0374,"chronCode":4,"chronRelease":"Fourth Chronological Release","chronReleaseDate":"10-Dec-2003","aogpRelease":null,"aogpSegment":null,"lastModified":"2015-07-27T17:04:10.235Z","findingAid":"Conversation No. 758-17\n\nDate: August 1, 1972\nTime: 4:59 pm - 5:17 pm\nLocation: Oval Office\n\nUnknown men [White House photographers?] met.\n\n             The President’s forthcoming photograph session with Congressmen and\n             Congressional candidates\n                 -Oliver F. (“Ollie”) Atkins\n                 -Technical problems\n                     -Film speed\n                 -Arrangements\n                     -Jack [unknown last name]\n\nThe President met with Richard K. Cook, Max L. Friedersdorf, John E. Nidecker, John Bishop,\nBill Dowd, Howard Robinson, John N. Erlenborn, John Zwach, Elford Cederberg, Charles S.\nGubser, Philip M. Crane, Charles Mosher, Mark Andrews, John J. Duncan, J. Herbert Burke,\n\nPaul Findley, John Kyl, Alvin O'Konski, John T. Myers, Manuel Lujan, Jr., Del Clawson, Bill\nArcher, M.G. Snyder, Clifford P. Case, Mark O. Hatfield, Edward G. Biester, Gary Brown,\nSilvio O. Conte, Glenn R. Davis, Edward J. Derwinski, William L. Dickinson, Craig Hosmer,\nDave Martin, William E. Minshall, Ancher Nelsen, John Rhodes, Philip E. Ruppe, Charles\nSandman, John Saylor, and William Scherle. The White House photographer was present at the\nbeginning of the meeting.\n\n*****************************************************************\n\nBEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 2\n[Personal returnable]\n[Duration: 16m 12s    ]\n\nBishop, et al., except Cook, Friedersdorf and Nidecker, left at 5:14 pm.\n\nEND WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 2\n\n*****************************************************************\n\n             Congress\n                -Busing\n                     -Rules Committee\n                         -Constitutional amendment\n                         -Moratorium\n                     -Education and Labor Committee\n                         -Bill Palmer [?]\n                              -Affirmative standards bill\n                     -Constitutional amendment\n                         -Possibility of passage\n                     -Democrats\n                     -Speaker of the House [Carl B. Albert]\n                         -Gerald R. Ford\n                     -Moratorium\n                     -Affirmative standards bill\n                         -Senate\n\n                          -Possibility of House passage\n                      -Liberal Democrats\n                          -Michigan\n                          -Indiana\n\nCook, Friedersdorf and Nidecker left at 5:17 pm.","filename":["758-017.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Cook, Richard K.","Friedersdorf, Max L.","Nidecker, John E.","Bishop, John J., Jr.","Dowd, William F.","Robison, Howard W.","Erlenborn, John N.","Zwach, John M.","Cederberg, Elford A.","Gubser, Charles S.","Crane, Philip M.","Mosher, Charles A.","Andrews, Mark","Duncan, John","Burke, J. Herbert","Findley, Paul","Kyl, John","O'Konski, Alvin E.","Myers, John T.","Lujan, Manuel, Jr.","Clawson, Delwin M.","Archer, William, Jr.","Snyder, M. 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The discussion focused on the current status of busing bills in the Rules and Education and Labor Committees, including the feasibility of a constitutional amendment versus a moratorium. Nixon and the legislators explored pushing an 'affirmative standards' bill through the House to pressure the Senate, while strategically maneuvering against liberal opposition to strengthen the Republican position on the issue.","topics":["Busing","Republican Party","Legislation","House Rules Committee","Education and Labor Committee","Constitutional Amendment"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-07T13:18:03.001Z"},"topicSlugs":["busing","republican-party","legislation","house-rules-committee","education-and-labor-committee","constitutional-amendment"],"audioDurationSec":207,"audioFiles":[{"file":"758-017.mp3","bytes":4974131,"durationSec":207.2,"bitrate":192051,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:19:57.944Z","findingAidSource":"nixonlibrary.gov subject log (2024-05), reslice-v2","findingAidUpdatedAt":"2026-09-18T08:44:28.656Z","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/758-017.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/758-017","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/758/conversation-758-017","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). 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