Conversation 759-002

On August 2, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon, H. R. ("Bob") Haldeman, Stephen B. Bull, Alexander P. Butterfield, White House operator, and John N. Mitchell met in the Oval Office of the White House from 8:32 am to 10:25 am. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 759-002 of the White House Tapes.

Conversation No. 759-2

Date: August 2, 1972
Time: 8:32 am - 10:25 am
Location: Oval Office

The President met with H.R. (“Bob”) Haldeman.

            Films on presidential actions for the Republican National Convention
                -Richard A. Moore's involvement
                -Haldeman’s concerns
                    -Content
                         -John D. Ehrlichman
                             -Domestic Council
                             -Script

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          Films on presidential actions for the Republican Convention
              -Design of films
                  -Blue-collar focus
                  -Tone
              -Previous interview with the President
              -Subjects of films
                  -Thelma C. (“Pat”) Nixon
                  -“Nixon the man”
                  -The President’s time in office
              -Length of films
                  -Advantages
                       -Television
              -Film on the President’s time in office
                  -The President's televised address in the Soviet Union
                       -Tanya Savicheva story
                            -Use in film
                            -Possible use in the President’s forthcoming acceptance speech
                            -The President’s appearance in a Soviet cemetery
                  -Audience
                       -Compared to audience for the President’s forthcoming acceptance
                       speech
                       -Compared to audience for the President’s televised address in the
                       Soviet Union
                  -Images from the President’s trip to the Soviet Union
                       -Tanya
                       -Graves
                       -Flame at cemetery
                       -Tanya

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                       -Soviet children
                           -GUM department store
                  -The President's appearance before Congress, June 1, 1972
                  -Foreign policy
                       -The President's efforts to end the war in Vietnam
                  -The President’s appearance with US troops in South Vietnam, July 30,
              -Color film

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          Films on presidential actions for the Republican Convention
              -Content
                  -Edward R.F. Cox and Tricia Nixon Cox wedding footage
                       -Mrs. Nixon
              -Chou En-lai with the President
                  -Film on the President
                  -Film on Mrs. Nixon
              -Film on Mrs. Nixon
                  -Footage from wedding
                       -The President and Mrs. Nixon
                  -The President and Mrs. Nixon
                       -Beach scenes
                  -Mrs. Nixon’s previous trip to Africa
                  -Soviet Union
                  -People's Republic of China [PRC]
              -Film on “Nixon the man”
                  -Dinner honoring Edward K. (“Duke”) Ellington, April 29, 1969

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                      -The President's piano playing
                  -The President’s conversation with Ehrlichman
                      -Legislation
                  -The President’s conversation with Haldeman
                      -Cabinet staffing

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          Films on presidential actions for the Republican Convention
              -Views of the President
                  -Harry S. Dent
                  -Robert J. Brown
                  -Ehrlichman
                       -The President’s family history
                           -Hannah Milhous Nixon
              -Length
                  -Audience
                  -Possible uses
                       -Meetings
                       -Local television
              -John F. Kennedy's use of film in 1960
              -Compared to Kennedy films
                  -David L. Wolper's view
                       -Emotional impact
                       -Scarcity value of the President’s films
              -Film scenes
                  -The President’s meeting with the Cabinet Committee on International
                  Narcotics Control, March 20, 1972

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                      -Level of heroin use
                  -The President’s trip to New York City, March 20, 1972
                      -Review of customs procedures
                  -Busing
                      -The President's statement
                          -Ehrlichman
                          -Education
              -Ehrlichman’s forthcoming review of the films

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          The President's schedule
              -Possible trip to Thomas B. McCabe, Jr.’s residence
                  -Insects
              -Possible meeting with James O. Eastland
              -Possible trip to McCabe residence
                  -Republican National Convention
              -Forthcoming meeting with senior advisors
                  -John B. Connally
                  -John N. Mitchell
                  -Herbert Brownell
                  -Connally
                  -Clark MacGregor
                  -Robert J. Dole
                  -Bryce N. Harlow
                  -Brownell
                  -Dole
                  -Connally

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                  -MacGregor
                  -Haldeman
                  -Charles W. Colson
                       -Connally
              -Camp David
              -Sequoia
              -Camp David
              -Timing
              -Haldeman’s forthcoming conversation with Connally

          Haldeman’s contact with individuals
              -Connally
              -William F. (“Billy”) Graham
                  -Lawrence M. Higby

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          [Dwight] David Eisenhower, II's attendance at Republican National Convention
             -View of the Navy
                  -Secretary of the Navy
                      -John W. Warner
             -Carl A. Hatch Act
                  -The President's view of applicability to Eisenhower
             -Presence of other service personnel

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          General Accounting Office [GAO] investigation
             -Scope
                  -Expenditures
                      -Ehrlichman [?]
                      -Contributions
                      -Expenditures
                  -Time magazine report
                  -William Proxmire

          Watergate
             -Jeb Stuart Magruder testimony
             -Richard G. Kleindienst
                  -L[ouis] Patrick Gray, III
                      -Investigation
             -Magruder
                  -Plausibility of testimony
                      -Knowledge
                      -G[eorge] Gordon Liddy

          Campaign
             -Maurice H. Stans
             -Budget controls
                 -Expenses for Watergate-related activities
                 -Magruder
                 -MacGregor
                 -Need for controls
                     -Frederic V. Malek
                     -Spending
                 -Murray M. Chotiner

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                         -The President’s view
                              -Personnel expenses compared to other expenses
                                  -Advertising
                     -Budget Committee
                         -Haldeman
                         -Stans
                     -Uses of budget control
                         -Voter registration
                         -Balloons
                         -Emery boards

Stephen B. Bull entered at an unknown time after 8:32 am.

             Thomas F. Eagleton
                -Photograph of son [Terry Eagleton] with the President
                    -Age of Terry Eagleton
                    -Timing of photograph
                         -The President’s trip to San Clemente
                         -Signing ceremony for Construction Safety Bill
                    -Cabinet Room
                    -The President’s autograph
                         -Rose Mary Woods
                    -Wire service photograph
                         -Oliver F. (“Ollie”) Atkins
                         -Compared to White House photograph

Bull left and reentered at an unknown time between 8:32 am and 9:30 am.

                     -The President’s request for a photograph enlargement
                     -Wire service photograph compared to White House photograph
                     -Request for photograph enlargement

Bull left at an unknown time before 9:30 am.

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            Washingtonian Article [“Sex, Power, and Politics”]
               -Patrick J. Buchanan
               -Edward M. Kennedy
               -Lyndon B. Johnson
               -John F. Kennedy
               -The President's administration
                    -Secret Service agents
                         -San Clemente
               -John Kennedy
                    -Prostitutes
                    -Incident
                         -Jacqueline (Bouvier) Kennedy
               -Johnson
                    -Secretaries

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            Washingtonian article
               -Johnson
                   -Claudia A. (Taylor) (“Lady Bird”) Johnson

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              -Dole
              -Frederick G. Dutton
                  -Divorce
                        -Second marriage
                  -Children by a third woman
              -Portrayal of the administration
                  -Secret Service views
              -Stories from the administration of John Kennedy
                  -Pierre E.G. Salinger
                  -Theodore C. Sorensen
                  -Kenneth P. O'donnell
                  -Florida trips
              -Buchanan’s view

          [Allegation concerning George S. McGovern]
              -Fort Wayne

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          Washingtonian article
             -Randy Agnew
                 -Vice President Spiro T. Agnew
                 -Activities
             -Kim Agnew

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              Washingtonian article
                 -View of the President
                     -John F. Kennedy
                     -Charles G. ("Bebe") Rebozo
                          -Key Biscayne

Alexander P. Butterfield entered at 9:30 am.

              Legislative matter [?]
                  -Schedule

Butterfield left at 9:33 am.

              Washingtonian article
                 -Administration staff
                     -Edward L. Morgan
                     -John W. Dean, III
                          -Maureen (Kane) Dean
                     -Henry A. Kissinger
                          -Unknown staff member
                              -Unknown secretary
                                    -Buchanan

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          Administration staff
             -Haldeman’s view

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          The President's schedule
              -Possible meeting with Elaine (Schwartzenburg) Edwards
                  -Edwin W. Edwards
                       -Appointment of wife as senator
                       -Previous meeting with the President
                  -Thomas C. Korologos
                  -Russell B. Long

          Press
              -The President’s request for a bibliography of works attacking the President
                  -News summary
                  -Leonard Lurie
                  -Unknown book
                  -“Underground press”
                      -Graham
                      -Attacks on Johnson

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                     -The Running of Richard Nixon
                         -Haldeman’s view
                              -Reviews
                              -Compared to hate mail
                              -Compared to pornography
                 -Coverage of the President

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Haldeman talked with the White House operator at an unknown time between 9:33 am and 10:25
am.

[Conversation No. 759-2A]

[See Conversation No. 28-40]

Haldeman conferred with the President.

             The President's schedule
                 -Possible meeting with Mitchell and Brownell
                 -Walkers Cay
                     -Republican National Convention

[End of conferral]

[End of telephone conversation]

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Bull entered at an unknown time after 9:33 am.

             Telephone call for Haldeman
                 -Mitchell

Bull left at an unknown time before 10:25 am.

Haldeman talked with Mitchell at an unknown time between 9:33 am and 10:25 am.

[Conversation No. 759-2B]

[See Conversation No. 28-41]

The President conferred with Haldeman.

             The President’s schedule
                 -Forthcoming meeting with Mitchell, Brownell, Connally, and MacGregor
                     -Timing
                          -Mitchell’s schedule

[End of conferral]

[End of telephone conversation]

             Mitchell's concerns
                 -Martha (Beall) Mitchell
                      -The President’s conversation with John Mitchell, August 1, 1972
                      -Rose Mary Woods

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                      -Martha Mitchell’s actions with John Mitchell
                          -Watergate apartments
                  -Need for treatment
                      -New York
                      -Maine Chance
                          -Use of resort to treat alcoholism
                      -Golden Door

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          The President's contact with media
              -Possible press conference
                  -Connally's view
                  -Scheduling
                       -Timing
                            -Use of prime time
                       -William P. Rogers
                       -Possible press conference on August 10, 1972
                            -The President’s forthcoming acceptance speech
                       -Connally
                       -Republican platform committee meeting
                  -Possibility of televised press conference
                  -Office press conference
                  -Republican platform committee meeting
                  -Office press conference
              -Revenue sharing bill signing
                  -Location
                       -East Room

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        -Participants
             -Governors
             -Senators
                 -George S. McGovern
                 -Committee members
             -Mayors
             -County officers
             -Senate leadership
             -Senate committee members
        -Use of East Room
        -Participation of Connally
        -Television coverage
        -Ehrlichman
        -Nelson A. Rockefeller
        -Sense of accomplishment
        -East Room
        -Ronald L. Ziegler
        -Interviews

The President's schedule
    -Haldeman’s forthcoming call to Connally
        -Forthcoming meeting with the President
             -John Mitchell
             -Brownell
             -John Mitchell
                  -Martha Mitchell
    -The President’s forthcoming meeting with Connally, and Haldeman
        -MacGregor
        -Colson
        -Haldeman
        -Colson
    -Possible meeting on the Sequoia
    -Possible trip to the McCabe residence
        -Rebozo
        -Robert H. Abplanalp
        -Security
    -Previous reception for the Secret Service
        -Julie Nixon Eisenhower
        -Lack of alcohol

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                         -Robert H. Taylor
                         -Agnew
                         -John T. (“Jack”) Sherwood
                         -John Kennedy assassination
                     -Refreshments
                     -Previous Johnson reception

            Secret Service
                -Capability of agents
                     -Education
                     -Demeanor
                -Travel
                     -PRC
                     -Soviet Union
                     -San Clemente
                     -Florida

            The President's schedule
                -Tricia Nixon Cox [?]
                -Possible meeting with Ehrlichman

Haldeman left at 10:25 am.

This transcript was generated automatically by AI and has not been reviewed for accuracy. Do not cite this transcript as authoritative. Consult the Finding Aid above for verified information.

They've got some just marvelous stuff.
It's really fascinating to see the work of an actor versus the work of an amateur.
And the films we've done before versus these.
There's a lot of work yet to be done on them.
Oh, yeah, more has been involved from the beginning.
We're trying to get a bunch of people.
I'm going to have those.
I'm going to have a look at them this morning because I'm concerned about content.
I've taken on a few things, but I think John's got to look at them in terms of emphasis on various things that we're, you know, doing.
I'm not going to let any of that in.
Rather than letting Ben get into staffing the script, I'd rather John look at the film.
They're designed to sell blue collar folks on Nixon.
And here is a hell of a guy.
And it does that.
Boy, they talk.
And it's unabashed.
And yet not just.
It's not.
The thing I was worried about was if we were going to get a mod film, you know, if they were going to try and put a lot of techniques in.
They haven't.
It's very straight.
It's very, you know, just middle America type stuff.
But it's... Did they try to get the user to use any of that?
Oh, yeah.
They use quite a bit of it.
They use a lot of it as Nixon voice-over with other film.
They don't use very... Well, yeah, in the half-hour version, they use quite a bit of it.
Just use sitting.
Now, we've got one major problem, if it is a problem.
No, sir.
On the 15-minute one that they want to use at the convention, and that is... Yeah, that's what they're going to use.
They're going to use two different 15... three 15-minutes at the convention.
A 15-minute on the path
A 15 minute on Nixon the man, and a 15 minute on the Nixon years, which is the presidential story.
The 15 minute on the Nixon years.
Why'd you make it funny?
Well, because we'll get 15 on the air in its entirety, and because it's then usable as a commercial film on television also.
With the timing speech from the Russian television, it is absolutely sensational.
And it would kill him to take it out, and it would be a shame to do it.
We can, if you want to use it in the acceptance speech.
I really can't be happy.
I see no problem.
I don't see any problem using it twice.
No.
This sets it up.
Really.
No.
I have no problem at all using this story twice.
OK.
Well, let me point out that this sets it a different way because this only shows a little bit of a clip of you on the Russian television.
Then, while you're telling the Tanya story, they go, you say, as I was at that cemetery, they show you walking down the walk in the cemetery.
I saw the picture of a little girl.
They fade to the picture, close up to the picture of Tanya.
And it is just a real grab.
It's
Well, you can argue that in two ways.
One, it will have a big audience.
It'll have a bigger audience for this than any film will ever, any film audience will ever have.
Okay, the acceptance speech will be bigger.
Argument is, if you would feel you couldn't use it in both, then there's a question.
If you feel you can use it in both, and I would argue you can, then there's no
no problem, because a lot more people will see your acceptance speech than will see the film.
And of course, a lot more people will see the film than saw you on Russian television.
And it sets it up because instead of looking at you, which they will be during the acceptance speech, they're looking at Tanya.
And they're looking at the graves.
And they're looking at the flame at the cemetery there.
And then it cuts back to Tanya when you come
little children, and it shows little Russian girls walking down the street, a group of little Russian school children, and it shows a bunch of kids standing in one of those soft-drink machines in the department store.
It's a hell of a thing.
And then it cuts.
You finish on Russian television, and then it cuts to the Congress, and the arrival of Congress to report.
And it just, it's really surprising to me, because it's very heavily
foreign policy.
It opens on ending the war, which is what it should do.
And they've got marvelous footage of you talking to the GIs in Vietnam, you know, kidding with them and all that.
There's some great never-before-seen Nixon footage that's all collared.
Oh, yeah.
This film, you forget the highlights and how they grab people, but this has got marvelous wedding stuff.
And it's got the past.
And that's the other thing, they've had the courage.
They showed the wedding in past.
They showed, for instance, the Chinese handshake with Joe at the bottom of the ramp in past film.
They showed that.
meeting him.
You standing right there, of course, presenting your wife.
But they beat your back.
In your film, they show you coming down the steps and going out with your hand out in a story of handshakes.
They milk the bejesus out of the things that matter.
Like that.
Like the wedding.
They've got marvelous stuff.
And they have a little bit in the Pat film of you dancing at the wedding and when Pat kissed you, you know, when you first came out, which is a thing that the women in the convention will all go eat when they, I mean, because I wasn't saying
That's right.
And it's a husband and wife thing.
You've got a beautiful art study pickup of that footage of you and Pat on the beach.
You know, just as a little bit of an opening.
But most of the Pat stuff, they've gone heavy on Africa, which is good because that's stuff people haven't seen.
And it's spectacular stuff.
And, of course, it buried a lot of Russia and a lot of China.
And we claim...
all that stuff.
But all the good stuff will go around here.
But other than that, they go back in the Nixon demand division.
It's amazing what they get in there.
In the Nixon demand thing, they've got the Duke Ellington deal where you play Happy Birthday and it's an insight nobody's ever seen.
But Nixon
that where you laugh about it and say, don't go away, and you say they left one song out of the number, and then you sit down and play Happy Birthday.
It fit in that occasion, and it fit just beautifully.
And they've done some stuff that your family, for instance, won't like.
Like you're sitting in here talking to your girlfriend, and you get very upset about the, I don't know, shoot, some film failed.
No, no, some bill where they're going the wrong way, they're not doing the right thing.
You say, what's the matter with those clowns?
That is exactly what we're not trying to do.
Now, it's awfully good stuff.
It's good for the majority of times.
And you talk about, in the thing with me, it doesn't show you, but it shows you where you're saying, we don't want all that jazz about a woman in the cabin and a Mexican in the cabin.
The important thing is that all those people understand that they can
can go to the position that they're able to fill and all that.
You state some things in ways that you can't do in speeches.
Their point is to the people like us that are with you all the time, this stuff is impressive.
To people who have never seen this kind of stuff, it's going to just be very, very good.
What this is trying to do is show you in action and show other people's views of you.
There's some marvelous stuff.
I've got Harry Mann in just a couple sentences.
But he says, here's a southern redneck.
He says, yes.
And people say, how can you support that man?
You obviously have changed.
He says, yes, I have changed.
And working with him, I've brought one of you.
I've learned a lot.
And he goes on with that.
And then you've got Bob Brown, a southern black.
And you get John Early, who goes into a personal thing.
He said, I remember one night when he was talking about the fact that he and his brothers used to pick tomatoes.
And they had a lot of tomatoes.
That's all they had to eat for several days was tomato ketchup, tomato sauce, tomato paste, raw tomatoes, all that.
The film goes to a tomato-picking theme.
And then it cuts to a close-up from a family album of you as a little kid or something like that.
makes these points without getting into you having to analyze yourself.
I wonder if they could make a half-hour version, too.
They have.
Yes.
Of which one?
Both.
Great.
Because I think you might want to buy if it's good.
We did that at a buying.
I'm more, I think, I don't think people want, I think they're sick of not having speeches and politics.
I agree.
And when we come down to it, I think a half-hour entertainment
You can get people to listen to it.
But suppose you're only at 5% listening.
That's a hell of a lot of people.
That's a hell of a rally, isn't it?
Yeah.
Plus and a half hours would be very good to play at meetings.
You know, make films available where they're going to have a big dinner or something.
Yeah.
That's just a nice little bit of an encouragement for a meeting.
You don't have that much.
But on the other hand, aren't they marvelous for local television?
Put it on a local independent station and advertise it at 11.
You might really get something out of that.
The reason I remember that, Bob, the Kennedy people made excellent decisions in their documentary.
Right.
We didn't.
Remember, we didn't have that, though.
Bob, Wolpert flatly says, in looking at them, see, he says, this is infinitely, I mean, head and shoulders above any campaign documentary, he says, that's ever been done.
Really?
He said, it falls short in emotional impact of the Kennedy film.
that we did after he was killed.
But he said, it's much better than the Kennedy campaign film.
But because it's got more, it's better put together, it's got more stuff.
And he said, the other thing is that Kennedy had more film available beforehand of various things of himself.
Your film has a rare, a scarcity value.
The stuff that's shot in the Oval Office, for instance, and the stuff that's shot in here.
We've got an awfully good little
And these are all little short scenes.
You don't bore anybody with them.
And it's amazing, as I say, what you can get together and put a thing in the narcotics meeting in the cabin room where you've jumped on the gun.
You mean we don't know how many heroin, the heroin use is going?
We don't know what these things are.
We've got to find this out.
And a little cut of you up at the New York Customs place where you said this is public enemy number one and all out of order.
And they've hit the right issues.
They've got a
Your bussing statement is in conversation with Erland.
And you say what you couldn't say in a speech, but say it more clearly than I've ever heard anybody say it, absolutely perfectly.
Education is the name of the game.
We can't have bussing.
It was designed to try and improve the thing, but it hasn't worked.
All it's done is rotten it up and screwed it up.
And you can't have a child getting on a bus and riding for hours across town.
And he's got a school right down the street.
And that gets it across.
in personal human terms, but not in a way you can't get on a podium and make a speech that way.
There are speeches in it that you can only make in this kind of a thing.
Yeah, but they go away if there's if there's
you have the bugs if it's the other way you know so it depends on each day's weather condition that is probably what you might do on friday i mean suppose i can figure out
But we have nothing.
Of course, today, I don't mind.
We have nothing on Friday of importance.
I have a question of whether you want to get together with Meeksland, which we were going to suggest on Friday, but at least I don't need it.
I wondered if there was...
I don't know.
Meeksland is fine.
Meeksland is not as bad.
Okay.
Well, would you check the city?
I suppose...
And frankly, if I like that, I might hop down there again next weekend.
Just to get some color.
A little toned up before the convention.
And if you can, it's okay.
Second, would this be, since John Connelly's here, a good time to take him, Mitchell, to get Brown out today?
It probably could.
And I don't, I really didn't comment on this one.
I didn't comment that you were brown in all the city.
Who else should be there?
I think you've got it.
Clark.
Clark.
Oh, yes, yes, yes.
You want to have a question of Bill and a question of Carl.
Maybe we just don't.
Maybe we have Brownell in place of Harlow this time.
I don't think you need Rice each time.
I wouldn't have Dole when you have Conley.
Correct.
Let's have Conley this time.
I think that's a...
There you've got the senior men.
Correct.
You've got old bros, and you've got a simpatico there.
You don't have any bullshit from the Congress.
Yeah, Gregor.
Yeah, you have to have Park that night.
Yeah, Gregor, Conley.
I agree.
I agree.
He bought both Harlow and what did you say, Camp David?
Sting.
So what?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
They're predicting thunderstorms this afternoon, which is why I was told.
Yeah, a boat may be a problem.
I guess it doesn't matter.
Well, we'll see.
Well, anyway, let's line them up for dinner.
Line them up for, say, 6 o'clock.
Either way.
There's several people like that.
I do the same with Billy Graham.
Although it's funny, Graham, I've always done that.
But Graham now has picked up with Larry and he calls him.
Yes.
And there's no problem because he understands you can trust him.
No, I believe that, excuse me, apparently that Pete and some of his actors, he's in the business of David, which is unbelievable to me.
And maybe he says he can't even arrive or something, because that would be political.
And I think it's bullshit.
You know, I mean, this, they can't, I mean, he's, he should attend this thing.
He should say anything, you know, anything like that.
But God, I mean, there's no problem in his arriving with everybody else.
Is there a
Who is it?
I didn't know they were.
I just want to be sure.
I don't think it's a proper question.
It doesn't matter.
Under very great question anyway at the present time, I don't think I would worry too much about his being present at things.
I mean, he should make speeches.
What's the situation on this GAO investigation?
I can't understand.
I can't see what in the hell that could ever .
I wouldn't be that concerned about that, because that doesn't involve the expenditures of money, does it?
What does it involve?
Well, they're trying to show that it does.
But apparently, it was .
It's not a problem.
I mean, this is after the reporting of contributions.
And you don't put out all the expenditure.
Oh, yes, you sure do.
Yeah, actually, thank you.
Well, OK. You've got to help a lot of the bank.
This all was before the reporting in time.
I don't know.
Technically, they feel they've got no problem on it.
It's just one more harassment.
Well, I'm sorry, but I had to do it.
It was a good move.
I never thought I'd get some attention.
That's what it is.
Again, I'm still the same on this one.
I don't agree with your testimony.
I don't.
So you can have that knowledge.
But Clankin says now, ordered Gray to end the investigation.
He said that they've got all they need to wrap up the case.
Yes, I mean, it's really, it is over.
Either way, it's not just a mission expedition.
I've had enough.
We're good.
I don't think there's anything that concerns me.
Of course, all this just will be.
But, you know, I would think his case would be pretty good, Bob.
I think he could just say, look, I was in charge of the damn thing.
I approved money.
The lady wanted this money, and I gave it to him, and I'm the slightest idea what the hell he was doing with it.
Correct.
Or was that his plan?
I think that's his.
But on the other hand, did somebody else testify that he received the copies of the information and so forth?
I don't think so.
Someone's testified it.
Well, I don't know.
I think they're not trying to...
Well, they're using the mooter as a witness to convict the other people, not as a witness to... Well, let me tell you something that's a little bit more fun now.
I know we've all been offered this, and I did this to them, too.
As you know, I'm the most in-conner in the stand to spend money.
It's been a mission.
But budget control in the campaign, Bob, is terribly important.
Well, that's because we didn't have budget control.
This kind of thing happened, in my opinion.
I mean, it would piss away $200,000.
You know, cops and robbers saying, Jesus Christ, that's a hell of a lot of money.
And I just feel this.
I wonder who the hell is in charge of budget control over there.
I would leave this in the hands of a murder, for example.
I don't think he's that buttoned down.
A murderer has spent a lot of time on budget stuff.
I must say that all of this all of a sudden he had a minute.
Chuck was excellent on that.
He didn't waste one hell of a lot of money.
Not if he was in control.
I didn't steal it.
But if he was in control,
God damn it, it went into things.
It went into advertising, it went into...
He worked the piss out of everybody, but...
I just had a feeling that maybe budget control was the weakness in this operation.
How do you know?
Well, who's on the budget committee?
That's the point.
Not a few of them.
No.
Well, you see, there's the problem.
You don't have Stans on it.
Who the hell is Stans on?
Absolutely, Stans is.
Yeah.
Maybe.
But you know that he's...
That budget really is to control the campaign.
Budget determines what your trust is.
Are you going to put it in voter registration?
Are you going to put it in balloons?
Are you going to put it in fingernail filers?
You see, and it's terribly important that the budget control thing can determine the whole thrust of a campaign.
Are we going to put it... You know, it horrifies me to think of 40 million dollars
I like to be thrown away.
See if I got the thing I had for it.
It is happening.
I don't know if you can see the pictures.
Oh, yeah, I've seen the pictures.
The boy's name is Terry, sir.
He was 10 years old at the time.
He's the one that's in camp now.
Yes, sir.
He's 13.
He's 13 now.
He stayed just before you left the same way the very first summer, August 7th.
Assigning a ceremony for the construction safety bill.
It was taken the morning just before the construction safety bill.
And then you were passed out of the cabin room.
Yes, sir.
And Rose has no record of that photograph being autographed.
But he does have a standard autographed photograph.
This is probably a wire service photograph, sir, rather than a knowledge evidence photograph.
We don't have any yet.
We have one similar to this, but this patient is not one team player.
Why not satire?
Oh, I don't need this.
Do we have a picture of this?
I'll have a picture of this.
Let's see it.
If it's as good as that, then that makes sense.
It's better.
All right.
It's better.
The president's more animated.
I don't know.
That's better.
That's better.
And he was just looking at the bullet.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Get that one.
Blow up that one.
Blow up that one.
All right.
If you can't invest, there's an article in the Washingtonian magazine.
on sex in Washington, sex, power, and politics, or something like that, that is the most incredible article I've ever seen.
It goes through a book, chapter, and verse on Linda Johnson, Jack Kennedy.
All the lurid tales of, and it severely criticizes the Nixon administration because they say there is negative.
They sum it up by saying, I don't think there's a satisfactory sex experience in a week in an entire White House.
They're wrong.
I'm sure they are.
But they talk, it goes into all the details about Kennedy's, you know, how the Secret Service used to smuggle whores into the white prostitutes into the White House for the people.
Yes.
About how Jackie Kennedy drove off one day.
to go someplace, and then just on a hunch, swung around back, came back in the driveway, walked over to the swimming pool, and caught Jack and a cabinet officer and two White House secretaries.
And, you know, it goes through all kinds of tales of this sort, that what they don't say stingy, they say frolicking in the nude in the pool.
And it goes through how Lyndon Johnson used to bang all those secretaries, and when he got tired of them, he married them off to staff members,
and tells the story about Lyndon Johnson.
When he took reporters through his house in Texas, which he loved to do, he'd take them and show them the bedroom.
And he'd point to the bed and say, I've had hundreds of women in my lifetime, but there's nobody better in the sack than Lady Bird in that little bed right there.
Just gross kind of stuff.
And this thing goes on about the fastest.
Then it talks about Bob Dole's problems.
Then it comes up with Fred Dunn.
He said, one untold story so far is Fred Dunn.
He divorced his first wife and married his second.
He fathered two children by an unmarried girl in Washington.
He married someone else.
And goes through all this stuff.
But see, they think they're hurting us, because they're saying, we're terrible, and swear that we don't know how to do any of this stuff.
I believe the other folks used to really have one here.
The Secret Service said this is the dumbest way to have us ever eat or something.
Well, that's what this article said.
Probably did.
Well, someone probably did.
It talks about Salinger and Sarnson and Kenny O'Donnell and how they used to... Kenny O'Donnell's a man from Florida.
When I went to Florida with Jack, I had to take a crew of broads along for recreation.
You can't descend in for your weekend meetings.
And he said it was kind of interesting, because it's the first time all this stuff has been in print in a more or less legendary publication.
Probably a bunch of bullshit.
Terrible.
My thought is mentally important.
I talked to the insurance.
In other words, I think they're going to find these people on the other side getting desperate.
And what I meant is, and you never know.
You never know.
They may go.
Oh, this article very kindly points out that Randy Agnew, who I'm right there, he's Gero's son, the kid that was in Vietnam, you know, and we didn't know what he was, a little strange, that he left his wife and moved in with a male hairdresser, which is apparently, I don't know whether it's true or not, and that his daughter came, of
The closest it comes to anything like that is that it does say Nixon would be better off if he brings some broads into the White House like Kennedy did or something, rather than going off for the weekend with the proposed on-key risk.
So let's show them the same last night.
He was for a while.
spectacular broad that he lives with.
He's not married.
He was.
He's divorced.
Anyway, Dean is a swimmer.
He was married to a beautiful girl.
Got tired of her and took up with a whole bunch of others.
Now he has a gal that lives with him.
Do you think that at this point, if we've got Henry's got a guy in
The intellectual guy who lives with Pat McGinn, the secretary, is one of the sexiest girls I've ever seen.
So there's plenty of intellectual activity you have going on.
I think he was nice to me when I got off the plane.
And I remember that.
And I was happy to say that.
and tell her that the President's Custody Procedure would be received if you'd like to receive new signers.
And say hello to them.
But would you like to have Senator Long put her in?
We could call Senator Long now and say that the President's Custody Procedure would be received.
Would you like to do that?
It just might be a good thing.
You know what I mean?
And, uh...
Oh, that one.
That one isn't just Anna Hicks.
That one's a president.
That's it.
Well, I see.
Well, maybe it reminded me of this gentleman.
Billy Graham always says,
But as one of the reviews of it said, if Overkill can help somebody, this book will elect Richard Henson.
Who's Leonard Lurie?
Leonard Lurie is a, I don't know.
But he's written a book called The Running of Richard Nixon that's as full of lies as anything I've ever read.
Except for some I've read.
I don't read those, but I skim through them.
I try to get a feel of what they're about.
But it's been discounted in its reviews as being a bunch of trash.
It's not interesting.
And I don't know.
I can't imagine that that
That gets in the hands.
It's like the anti-Semitism hate mail and stuff like that.
You know, the people that, or like pornography, the people who love it get it by the tongue and drool over it.
And everybody else kind of turns them off and they stay with them.
I think that's right.
They're trying to portray, trying to recreate an old Nixon and go back and, you know, move.
Well, all of this, they try to, they want to regenerate the posture of Nixon in the worst light they can.
It's a very hard point to do because all the dominant coverage is the other way at this point.
Well, it's pretty hard for them to do.
It's always going to be more
Save the McBride guys.
Ask if I could interrupt you for a minute.
You had said at one point that you wanted to go to Walker's one weekend before the convention.
You don't want to travel at all.
So I thought it would be very cool to know this.
OK.
Oh, hi, John.
Can we put together a dinner with the president for this evening with Brownell and Connell, you think?
And you, McGregor?
Yeah, if you can make it.
You have a problem?
Okay, sure.
I think you ought to be there.
And I know the president wants you there, and I don't think we should do it if you can't make it.
We'll shoot for another night.
Why don't you see?
Okay, if you can make it, why don't you go ahead and check with Brown now?
And if you can't, we'll try
I think it may be a larger thing, as you said.
I can certainly talk to her, and she could be here the rest of the night.
Or in the morning, about 8 o'clock.
You know what I'm talking about.
God, man, when you wrote all this talk, I didn't know this, but a lot of people are out there, seeing her sometimes in the hall, cursing him, scratching him.
I tell them, that's fine.
Well, you know, now he could lock her up.
I think he could.
He couldn't have before.
But I think he should lock her up.
But he could ostensibly move to New York now, then lock her up, and then spend about three or four days a week down here.
The way he could lock her up is basically in the sense that she's in a place for some treatment.
We don't need to say it's a move back.
You know what I mean?
It's not really about the main chance.
The main chance.
Well, I don't know that he can have her, but there must be a place where she goes.
And you don't even need to say it.
They can put her in solitary confinement there.
They can set up a cabin that just puts a, you know, lock her up.
The main chance is use.
You know, they're drying up for being alcoholics and all that sort of thing.
A lot of things.
But basically, a lot of them use it for... Pretend they don't.
But weight and beauty treatment.
Weight and beauty, but I think it is for...
I imagine for a lot of people, it's for nervous disorders.
I'm quite sure.
And some of the people who are alcoholics, they don't allow it.
I don't think so.
And I think that...
They may allow one cop in for four days or something like that.
But they have individual patient treatment type times, too.
And there are other places that may have chances.
I mean, there's Golden Door and other similar kinds of places.
And I'm sure they have that kind of stuff.
It's our problem.
A lot of concern they have.
I want to check with each other.
Let's go to one other thing.
We're getting back to the press conference thing.
If you follow Conway's theory, he just doesn't think we're going to do a goddamn thing while they're still on their problems.
There's also this to be said.
I'm just thinking out loud.
I'm perfectly willing to go to that.
I can set it up.
I can do more later.
There's a theory that you shouldn't go for a prime time unless your dealers, unless the country wants you sort of ready for it.
You know what I mean?
I disagree with that.
I disagree with that.
Do you think that would go on any time in the press conference?
Well, I don't think you ought to go in every week.
I think people, all this stuff is screwed up.
The contrast of seeing that president handling the issues of the day.
Are your thoughts on the issue in mind for one next Thursday?
I'm like, don't tell me you're not getting that late.
You're still two weeks from that.
Now they will have to just figure it out.
You should get a conference judge on Saturday on this about this time.
If they nominate on Tuesday, clearly we should have a press conference on Tuesday.
Now, if we don't have it on Thursday, then I think it does present some sort of a problem.
I'm trying to go on, and the next time I can have it actually would be, well, I could go Friday.
I could go Friday.
That's it.
What about the next week?
You've got a week of our convention.
I don't think you should be on the platform.
All right.
And I'd be bad if it lays the line down before the platform committee starts that we're not avoiding the press and so forth and so on.
Now, that's the other thing.
They have an office press conference.
Well, Thursday, basically.
Because the campaign on their part is about to begin the moment they nominate their candidates.
We're going to have to make some major aid out of that.
Yeah, we ought to have it.
That sign should be over the East Road.
And I would invite in governors.
I would invite in senators.
It should be a very big thing.
We won't want to have a government bond there.
We can't have anybody on the committee.
Yes, the committee.
Committee, committee, committee.
That's the way to avoid it.
I'd have a group of mayors, county officers.
I believe you should have a committee.
You've got to have a committee.
I'll give you your share of the committee.
But I think you should be an eastward sound because of the impact of the revolution.
The bill and so forth and so on.
The college should be there and so on.
The secretary of trade should be there and this thing is evolving.
That's one thing that bought me a little play in the hell right there.
Yeah, we should make that out as being a major triumph.
That's right.
Well, what John Irving calls, you know, the woe.
Like, one couldn't see.
And he's right.
You can conquer something.
And you've got guys like Ryan Hall who go out and babble about it.
A lot of people will.
That's what it decides.
Granted, it's not an issue, but it is an accomplishment.
Yeah.
And it is a change in the American society.
I'm sure.
And it's what you...
It shows that you can't get things done, even with a Democratic Congress.
And if they don't go down, they can get more done.
I take any strong things to think about, don't you?
Yes, sir.
He likes...
Let them go out that door.
After this sign, too, I should stay.
If you can.
Why don't you press the mill around and talk to the people that are there?
It's an undiluted time.
But we'll let us know.
Now, with the colony, you can call him now and say that I'd like for him to hold a night in any of it.
I'll have him gone if we're trying to get mention of Brown.
I'll put him there and say that we're trying to get mention of night time.
He may not mark the problems.
I'd like to meet with him.
I didn't know.
I didn't know.
Because then you get into the, all the problems.
It just has to do with, you know, I mean, if you do get caught, it's kind of just, it's laid out.
And I wouldn't have cultured that way.
I'll have it.
That's right.
Because he's seen a lot of culture.
I don't know.
Okay.
You know, I don't think you need to have me.
I mean, it's just, well, I think so.
That's no problem.
The only reason that he has a problem with it, the only reason that he's a, it's the follow-up, if John, you know, has ideas.
And I don't think that's a problem.
I don't think Chuck is either.
I think Chuck's in a super...
I don't know what they want.
But on the other hand, he must have been relying on Chuck rather than him.
But I mean, it's not necessarily Chuck.
I don't know.
I wish we could talk about it.
Yeah.
We need Chuck back over here.
So if he's about to have an accident, we're ready to fly him out of here.
Is there anything else you want to do this weekend?
Well, we've got some time.
If I could only suggest a few things.
I kind of like the family.
So what we do at night, and I'd like to see whether I can go over to that beach on Friday, right?
And go over.
Here we go.
Thursday night, we spent three days bailing on this one.
We get beat the other night.
Beat me and Bob.
We don't know if I can get over it.
They're ruining the house for two of them.
Yes, sir.
I mean, they can stay at small, but they don't have to.
No, it's good fun.
And we've worked out a secret service.
Very good operational plan for nobody there.
We have that development.
We did the right thing.
We've got a little more institute.
But that secret service reception, that was a hell of a thing.
Is the man good enough?
The White House is their duty station.
They should know.
The egg was totally wrong on this.
Sitting around and drinking security men is not a good thing.
Sure.
As a matter of fact, sure, but you hit a little too hard.
No, it's not good.
Well, the Kennedy assassination hit them hard on that because they had established that the detail had been losing the night before.
Had they?
No.
Had they not?
That was one of the things.
Well, they didn't.
But it was just that they don't have to have booze to have a good time.
Certainly don't.
They had coffee and tea and hors d'oeuvres, like, you know, like they do.
professional world case.
Oh, yeah.
You had music and they all stayed and talked and walked around.
I think that's right.
I mean, that has never been done before.
Johnson, I think, had something one time.
He said it was some sort of a deck.
I threw a lot at somebody.
I don't think I had to.
But we just have to get the old men on there.
You're going to be calling them in for the tough run for the next few months.
Finally, you have a man who's improved a great deal.
Their education is better.
They, uh, they, they, the younger ones, well, they straighten the eye.
They have good heart.
It's a much better caliber of people.
They're improving.
They're improving.
They've got some very fine guys.
I don't know how the hell they get them.
I mean, I don't know why a guy of the capability of some of those people would go into the Secret Service.
Was there anybody who wanted to see anything?
All right.