{"conversationCode":"763-021","tapeNumber":763,"conversationNumber":21,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-763-021","startDateTime":"1972-08-07T19:46:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1972-08-07T19:51:00.000Z","startDate":"7-Aug-1972","startTime":"3:46 PM","endDate":"7-Aug-1972","endTime":"3:51 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Passman, Otto E.; Timmons, William E.;","description":"On August 7, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon, Otto E. Passman, and William E. Timmons met in the Oval Office of the White House from 3:46 pm to 3:51 pm. 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Timmons; the White House\n\nphotographer was present at the beginning of the meeting.\n\n       Presentation of Presidential gifts\n            -Watches\n                   -Gift from Passman to the President\n                   -The President’s gift to Passman\n                          -Bulova\n                          -Presidential seal\n            -[Photograph session]\n\n       [Unintelligible]\n\n       Presidential gifts\n             -Cufflinks\n                   -The President’s recent meeting with Edwin W. Edwards\n\n       [Unintelligible]\n\n       Passman's bill before Congress\n            -Mark-up of bill\n            -The President’s view\n                  -Passman\n                  -Timmons\n\nPassman and Timmons left at 3:51 pm.","filename":["763-021.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Passman, Otto E.","Timmons, William E."],"prevCode":"763-020","nextCode":"763-023","transcript":[{"start":0.12,"end":1.22,"text":"Hello, Mr. President."},{"start":1.72,"end":2.96,"text":"Hi there, how are you?"},{"start":3.66,"end":10.87,"text":"I told you I was going to give you something here."},{"start":10.98,"end":13.79,"text":"And, uh, this is your watch you give me."},{"start":13.83,"end":17.35,"text":"I'm going to put this in a safe place."},{"start":17.37,"end":18.21,"text":"Here you go."},{"start":22.52,"end":23.65,"text":"This is not respect."},{"start":23.69,"end":26.25,"text":"This is not all that you shall see."},{"start":33.9,"end":41.97,"text":"So I don't know how good it is, but it's got a seal."},{"start":43.53,"end":47.77,"text":"It has a seal on the back."},{"start":47.83,"end":49.73,"text":"That's the first one."},{"start":49.79,"end":51.99,"text":"We're going to get a few more."},{"start":52.15,"end":53.67,"text":"That is the very first one."},{"start":53.69,"end":56.27,"text":"No, we didn't have it."},{"start":60.52,"end":65.87,"text":"I want the president to give me that you put your email address."},{"start":66.09,"end":68.33,"text":"Okay, fine."},{"start":68.39,"end":68.77,"text":"Come on."},{"start":68.89,"end":69.13,"text":"Okay."},{"start":69.33,"end":75.95,"text":"Okay, I got it."},{"start":90.35,"end":90.83,"text":"You and me are?"},{"start":90.85,"end":91.61,"text":"Don't tell me I'm working!"},{"start":91.63,"end":119.55,"text":"No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no"},{"start":120.29,"end":121.53,"text":"He told me not to do it."},{"start":121.63,"end":123.95,"text":"I said, you know, I must take what it takes."},{"start":123.99,"end":125.21,"text":"You've got to help me."},{"start":125.23,"end":125.59,"text":"I don't know."},{"start":125.61,"end":126.53,"text":"Where did you give yours to?"},{"start":126.56,"end":127.52,"text":"I gave it to the cover."},{"start":127.53,"end":130.31,"text":"You gave all coverings to Spongy and his cousin."},{"start":130.68,"end":132.26,"text":"I didn't give it to him."},{"start":132.32,"end":133.38,"text":"He said, let me see."},{"start":133.62,"end":135.8,"text":"No, wait a minute."},{"start":135.92,"end":136.9,"text":"No, wait a minute."},{"start":136.96,"end":148.04,"text":"Of course, of course."},{"start":149.71,"end":150.19,"text":"I have a plan."},{"start":150.21,"end":151.85,"text":"I told Bill about it."},{"start":151.9,"end":152.28,"text":"I'm worried."},{"start":152.29,"end":153.58,"text":"I'm going to lose you."},{"start":153.62,"end":154.92,"text":"I'm in very hard opposition."},{"start":155.6,"end":155.92,"text":"Go on."},{"start":155.98,"end":157.46,"text":"I refuse to part my bill."},{"start":157.48,"end":161.82,"text":"I don't know if it's personal, but I'm going to write it down."},{"start":161.84,"end":164.85,"text":"I'm going to get an authorization bill."},{"start":164.87,"end":168.05,"text":"If we don't get it, I'm going to pass my bill under a rule."},{"start":168.41,"end":172.35,"text":"If you destroy the gun, then call us back on it."},{"start":172.41,"end":174.29,"text":"I'm not worried about it."},{"start":174.63,"end":175.96,"text":"I just leave all that to you, Jim."},{"start":177.09,"end":177.49,"text":"Okay."},{"start":177.53,"end":178.07,"text":"Thank you."},{"start":178.09,"end":178.69,"text":"Thank you."},{"start":178.73,"end":180.31,"text":"He's got it."},{"start":180.33,"end":182.76,"text":"Thank you."},{"start":182.8,"end":184.68,"text":"I appreciate this."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon met with Representative Otto E. Passman and legislative liaison William E. Timmons in the Oval Office primarily to exchange formal gifts, including personalized watches and cufflinks. Following a brief photo session, the discussion shifted to legislative strategy regarding a bill sponsored by Passman that was currently facing opposition in Congress. Passman outlined his intentions to secure the legislation through an authorization bill or a special rule, while Nixon deferred the tactical handling of these proceedings to Timmons.","topics":["Presidential gifts","Legislative strategy","Congressional relations","Otto E. Passman","William E. 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