{"conversationCode":"767-023","tapeNumber":767,"conversationNumber":23,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-767-023","startDateTime":"1972-08-11T05:02:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1972-08-11T05:09:00.000Z","startDate":"11-Aug-1972","startTime":"1:02 AM","endDate":"11-Aug-1972","endTime":"1:09 AM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"estimated","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Nixon, Thelma C. (\"Pat\") (Ryan); Sloan, Deborah (\"Murray\"); Sloan, Hugh W., Jr.; Murray, William A.; Murray, William A. (Mrs.); Murray, Laurie; Bull, Stephen B.; White House photographer;","description":"On August 11, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon, Thelma C. (\"Pat\") (Ryan) Nixon, Deborah (\"Murray\") Sloan, Hugh W. Sloan, Jr., William A. Murray, Mrs. William A. Murray, Laurie Murray, Stephen B. Bull, and White House photographer met in the Oval Office of the White House at an unknown time between 1:02 am and 1:09 am. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 767-023 of the White House Tapes.","locationCode":"OVAL","recordingDevice":"Oval Office","latitudeEstimated":38.8974,"longitudeEstimated":-77.0374,"chronCode":4,"chronRelease":"Fourth Chronological Release","chronReleaseDate":"10-Dec-2003","aogpRelease":null,"aogpSegment":null,"lastModified":"2015-07-27T17:04:10.235Z","findingAid":"Conversation No. 767-23\n\nDate: August 11, 1972\nTime: Unknown between 1:02 pm and 1:09 pm\nLocation: Oval Office\n\nThe President met with Thelma C. (“Pat”) Nixon.\n\n       The President’s previous meeting with the Donald McI. Kendall family\n            -The Kendall sons\n                  -The President’s view\n                  -Mrs. Nixon’s view\n\nDeborah (Murray) Sloan, Hugh W. Sloan, Jr., Mr. and Mrs. William A. Murray, and Laurie\nMurray entered at 1:04 pm; Stephen B. Bull and the White House photographer were present at\nthe beginning of the meeting.\n\n       Greetings\n\n       Introductions\n             -Mr. and Mrs. William Murray\n             -Deborah Sloan\n             -Hugh Sloan\n\n       New baby\n\n       Photographs\n            -Arrangements\n\n       Deborah Sloan's departure from White House staff\n\n                                            (rev. Nov-03)\n\n               -Previous memoranda from Sloan\n\n       Gifts\n               -Compact\n               -Cuff links\n               -Pin\n                     -Presidential seal\n               -Bow pin\n                     -Presidential seal\n\n       Laurie Murray\n             -Age\n\n       Mr. and Mrs. William Murray\n            -Cleveland\n\n       Jim Brown\n            -Previous meeting with the President\n                  -1972 election activities\n            -Football career\n\n       Washington Redskins\n           -Baltimore Colts\n           -George E. Allen\n\n       The President's appreciation to Deborah Sloan\n\n       Laurie Murray's plans\n             -Texas Christian University [TCU]\n                  -Fort Worth, Texas\n\n       Sex of Deborah Sloan’s baby\n\nMrs. Nixon et al. left at 1:09 pm.","filename":["767-023.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Nixon, Thelma C. (\"Pat\") (Ryan)","Sloan, Deborah (\"Murray\")","Sloan, Hugh W., Jr.","Murray, William A.","Murray, William A. (Mrs.)","Murray, Laurie","Bull, Stephen B.","White House photographer"],"prevCode":"767-022","nextCode":"767-024","transcript":[{"start":28.74,"end":30.36,"text":"Well, thank you very much."},{"start":30.52,"end":32.48,"text":"Well, we just hope that"},{"start":57.52,"end":60.36,"text":"We're glad that you're at the population in the right way."},{"start":60.38,"end":63.94,"text":"On our side."},{"start":64.08,"end":66.56,"text":"It's too bad we'll be on the phone."},{"start":66.66,"end":67.38,"text":"I'm not sure."},{"start":67.4,"end":69.08,"text":"We'll take two sessions."},{"start":69.11,"end":70.11,"text":"That's one day."},{"start":70.39,"end":72.61,"text":"The first day, the chapter's behind you."},{"start":73.21,"end":75.53,"text":"All right."},{"start":75.69,"end":76.07,"text":"All right."},{"start":76.65,"end":79.27,"text":"Second description."},{"start":85.95,"end":87.85,"text":"No, that's all right."},{"start":89.3,"end":96,"text":"We get one, two, and it's right away."},{"start":96.06,"end":98.93,"text":"Now we're going to cut this."},{"start":117.06,"end":118.34,"text":"Now, let's look out here."},{"start":118.36,"end":118.86,"text":"There we are."},{"start":118.92,"end":120.72,"text":"Now, we've made the round."},{"start":121.24,"end":129.81,"text":"Well, we appreciate all of you both for coming."},{"start":129.89,"end":134.51,"text":"I'd like to give you a question."},{"start":134.81,"end":141.68,"text":"I would like to ask you a question."},{"start":145.21,"end":147.33,"text":"Every time I say yes."},{"start":173.12,"end":175.44,"text":"Thank God."},{"start":176.2,"end":179.34,"text":"I hope you do."},{"start":179.5,"end":182.11,"text":"I hope you do."},{"start":183.69,"end":186.81,"text":"Here's your lower compact view."},{"start":187.11,"end":189.43,"text":"This is for Margettson."},{"start":189.45,"end":191.07,"text":"That's the seal."},{"start":198.44,"end":198.72,"text":"Thank you."},{"start":198.76,"end":199.48,"text":"Thank you."},{"start":234.48,"end":237.02,"text":"Somebody had ever surpassed me."},{"start":237.06,"end":239.62,"text":"Now, I don't think anyone goes through it like that."},{"start":239.64,"end":245.83,"text":"And it made me know I could start as a pastor after he broke through the breakdown."},{"start":268.62,"end":270.54,"text":"All the way."},{"start":270.64,"end":271.3,"text":"All the way."},{"start":300.42,"end":303.75,"text":"Thank you for being a boy or a girl."},{"start":303.77,"end":306.01,"text":"You're sure of that?"}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon and First Lady Pat Nixon hosted a brief farewell meeting in the Oval Office for departing White House staffer Deborah Sloan and her family. The informal gathering included introductions of the Murray and Sloan families, the taking of official photographs, and the presentation of commemorative gifts featuring the Presidential seal. 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