Conversation 771-002

Transcript (AI-Generated)

This transcript was generated automatically by AI and has not been reviewed for accuracy. Do not cite this transcript as authoritative. Consult the Finding Aid above for verified information.

I think I already love this president.

Two things.

First, let me tell you about the Sabrina.

Yeah.

That's interesting, because I think they're really superb friends with the Russians.

They've agreed.

You were there a long time ago.

I beg your pardon?

You were there a long time ago.

I would say that's not true.

We don't have...

Yes.

Well...

because we broke the back of the trade agreement entirely through your channel they've agreed to something they didn't give to Raj just remember when he said another cent more than 2% well we'll get well above 3% now on the Lent lease deal and we I'm staging it in such a way that it will be signed first week of October here in a massive trade deal I mean it will be considered a really major

And with it, I have to iron out some of the things next week.

But we've got an agreement in principle, and now it's just that it's like salt after the agreement.

If you want to, I'll go over the details with you.

You ought to announce something here later.

But I think what we should announce is that they're sending a delegation and an agreement in principle.

So that there's a process, so that the delegation progress is good.

They've agreed to open discussions on neutral balance post-reduction.

MPFR.

And European security countries.

They had rejected MPFR and state channels two weeks previously.

I went back to them in U.S. Good.

Now we can announce that date.

We let us set the opening of this old date.

We can announce it when we want and pick the date we want.

That's got to be done before the election.

Oh, yes.

That means that...

Now, we can announce all of these.

We should figure them out day after day.

That's what I mean.

We can announce all of these before the election.

Right.

And have them after the election.

Now, on European security conference, I know that Russia has complained to all of us.

But we have to keep the architecture together.

We would never have got MP above without holding up on European security the conduct of it.

I don't give a damn about it.

we don't have to get into the conduct of it.

Well, after the election, you'll redo things anyway, but you're going to have to get involved at the end of it.

So we don't want to turn it loose in time.

Well, in terms of that one, I just wanted to give Rogers a do.

It's a planning thing, isn't that right?

Well, the trouble is, Mr. President, they'll go wild.

You mean in Indy, but not if we have MBS bars all I care about.

Well, except we don't have to worry.

It's not a big issue.

That's right.

All we need now on the European Security Conference is to pick the time when you want to announce it.

Before the election, certainly.

Unless you don't want it.

They don't want to make it, but we can announce it so close to each other.

But we can announce it at the same time, probably.

That's up to you, and I could settle that.

Well, you see, there's a trade thing.

You see, we're going to make an issue out of this whole withdrawal thing from Europe and so forth.

We may not want to play them quite as far,

The beauty of the NB bar is you can then make an issue that he's withdrawing unilaterally.

Yeah.

I'll get him out on the limb on that one more.

See, that he's withdrawing unilaterally.

Sure.

No, it's a good thing.

It's like you've been handling the defense budget, that you'll never get mutual cuts.

That's right.

And it would be another culmination of what you've said all along.

that we have an MP above.

And on the nuclear thing, as you know, I gave their draft to the Chinese, and then I gave them a counter-draft, which they don't want, which is fine with us, because we don't really want an agreement now.

So all they will sign with us is a very general statement any time in October that we're working on this problem.

And I'm keeping these negotiations going for a possible conclusion at the summit.

But really to get us through the Vietnam period, they're dying to get us a clear agreement.

Yeah, in other words, we will go forward if you want.

We will go forward.

With a discussion.

Sure, I don't think everyone thinks it's great.

If you don't mind my...

If you don't mind my stringing them along a bit on this, Mr. President, as we've done on the Middle East.

Oh, sure.

So, actually, the major objective we have to have, in my view, is to keep the Soviets quiet over the next two months.

They're terrified of the Japanese.

Japanese?

And of the Chinese, while they've had their depressions, the Japanese are going all out to link up with the Chinese.

To link up?

What about the army?

And they are starting to rearm.

Of course, Tanaka has been making an unconscionable statement.

About us?

Well, he's been saying that you appealed to him to use Japan for the defense of Taiwan, and he rejected it, saying that Japan

that he wants a security treaty for the defense of Japan, not for the defense of Taiwan.

You've never even discussed the security treaty.

Maybe he said that.

He thinks the Iraqis might raise that issue.

Or what?

I'm trying to figure out what the hell that business is.

I don't know.

Maybe he made it up.

Maybe he put out that other story, too.

What else has he said?

Well, basically, it hasn't been unfavorable, and it's helped us with the Taiwanese.

And I'm seeing the Chinese this evening, unless the Israeli thing gets out of control.

Now, let me say a word about the Israeli situation, Mr. President, because I feel really very strongly about it.

I look at it the way we would look at it if eight Pakistanis killed eight Indians.

I know.

Yeah, that's true.

No, I know, Mr. President, but I think you have been a statesman.

And I don't think we should throw it away in cheap shots now.

And this thing could easily turn out.

My great fear is, World War I started because the Austrians had been frustrated for 15 years.

Had they actually assassinated the Germans, the whole world would outrage.

And they thought that for once

they would have a free shot, and they were going to settle the Serbian problem.

My worry is that if we say to the Israelis too much, that they may...

I talked to Rabin last night.

He sure hasn't talked that way.

Well, I would really like to talk to Rabin in a fatherly way today when he comes back.

The thing that I would emphasize to her being on that thought on this should be a very good touch for the users.

I don't know whether they are able to do it or not.

This is my ear.

And she's the only one that can do it.

She called on me and she wanted to come in and go forward with me.

I didn't really say why.

That's a cooling effect.

The other reason why

It'll make them look good rather than... You see, the trouble with the Jews is that they always play these things in terms of power.

You've got the Jewish Defense League raising hell and saying, we ought to kill every Arab diplomat.

I know, of course, there isn't.

What we have to do is to do enough here that we're showing an interest.

It's my thought that the best thing here is to let Rogers take the lead and go by it rather than me.

That's why we've got to get him in here.

He's done apparently not well, as the mayor said, and I heard from Secretary Rogers.

I said, fine.

But what I... We've got to show we care on this one, because you are in this country.

You don't really know, Henry, what the Jewish media will do.

It's going to be the goddamnedest thing I ever saw.

Did you see the bold papers as well?

The what papers?

The bold papers.

Yes.

And you're absolutely right that that can stir it all up into something very, very.

So we've got to show the greatest understanding and sympathy in the rest of it.

But so that they don't get in the hands of the extremists.

Tonight, the last night, Mr. President, Haig and I were on the phone half the night with the Israelis who wanted us to do the opposite of what you suggested, which is the right thing.

They wanted us to appeal to the International Olympic Committee to cancel it.

Well,

But they want to look good, don't they?

I talked to the officers, too.

You see, that's exactly what the reason that Mrs. Mayer should do it.

She's the only one that can.

It is that what the terrorists want.

They want to make it appear that they stopped the games.

It's like these assholes have tried to stop us running the government.

If we had stopped, like some of the softheads here around,

pray to the link tomorrow.

That's what they want.

So the thing to do is to do it the other way.

That's what I mean.

Well, I refuse to wake you up.

Raja, incidentally, agrees.

So there's no problem with Raja.

Oh, no.

Eric's called on him to stop the game.

That's not going to be our position.

I don't think we can...

I think, in fact... Well, I will talk to Ravi because they don't trust Raja and they do trust me.

But I'll talk to him quietly.

Say, look, this is a thought that we were naturally...

Perhaps you should bring them in.

They won't do that.

That's out of the question.

I don't think we should even suggest it because they'd be too outrageous.

What we can do, though, is to keep them from black-tracking us over not having to appear.

And in general, I think we ought to, I mean, of course we can... What's the doctor say we should do?

Well, the doctor wants to declare a national day of mourning.

I'm against even that.

It's not our day of mourning, Mr. President.

It's easy enough now to do a number of grandstands.

And also, God, I am Jewish.

I've had 30 members of my family killed, so I can't be insensitive to this.

But I think you have to think also of the anti-Semitic vote in this country.

If we let our policy be run by the Jewish community,

By the radical Jewish community.

I do understand what I was talking to Hague about last night.

There's generally a choice in the students and things here, but nothing that will make the Germans too mad and so forth.

What I would favor, Mr. President, is to go to the U.N. Me?

Not you, not physically.

To have the United States go to the U.N. and see whether we could get some international rules on harboring guerrillas and so forth.

That is a concrete matter that affects the world.

That's a statement like saying it's not.

Well, what would you do, though, if the U.N. is not in possession of General Sun?

Well, we could get it into, we could get the Security Council into possession.

And I think the Russians might join us on that.

The Chinese?

Well, that'd be interesting.

Then if they don't, then we say we'll take it up with the U.N. Why won't you mention this?

Did you mention this to the Green?

Well, the news hit me when I was there yesterday.

And he was outraged.

All right.

How about mentioning the Chinese?

Yes.

I would now.

You see, I also feel that you've got to take up now on your trip to Russia.

I didn't think so before, but you've got to mention this devil in some way or other.

With Sabrina.

All right.

I will write this.

You see, it's got to be said that

Everybody asks the question.

Did we discuss the question?

You've got to say yes.

Now, what I told the Breeding yesterday, which would get us even more mileage, is why don't we call Vorontsov?

The Breeding will be in Moscow next week.

Why don't we, after I'm through with my talk, say on Wednesday, call Vorontsov into the State Department and make an official demand?

And have a rocket launch?

And have a chance to call him.

When?

Let Alex Johnson do it.

Alex will do it.

Well, then on our play this morning, what can we do?

because my worry is I'm really concerned that it's easy enough now there's a lot of emotion for it but if they take Beirut which they could

They'll do something.

They must get there.

I'm going to get him in today and talk to him very seriously.

They can't start a war with us.

Well, I agree with you.

I think they might.

They're in the best position I've ever been.

I know Russians say it.

We've got an election campaign.

Now, I got a promise out of Golden Mayer two months ago when you asked me to that they wouldn't take military action.

But this is an enormous provocation, and they are emotional.

And I don't want them to think that they've got you in their hip pocket.

Uh-huh.

Oh, and here's a chance for us to make points in a more effective way.

Well, let me say, you have no problem forbidding that's why he's talking very rationally.

Ravine is the same as Guy, but they have their own election campaign coming up next spring.

And I'm sure it is an outrage.

It's a horrible, it's a horror.

Well, if you don't start a war, we're in.

Like this.

I agree, but... Now, this morning, I think the most constructive thing we could do is to go to the Security Council to see whether we could get some international rules for countries against countries.

Sure.

But against countries that harbor...

guerrillas, that is something that affects the international community.

You can do it if you don't.

What else?

Let me raise one other thing.

On my trip, my view is I cannot put it into the game.

What I could do, though, is go to Munich where Brandt is and see him and go through these appointments, call the direct sub, cut one day off it.

In other words, leave here Saturday and spend Sunday morning in Munich so that it isn't a slap in the face of the Germans.

If I can for my trip there now, it will be a tremendous slap in their face.

Was that announced?

Yes.

But I will cancel going to the gangs, and so...

I think the part that bothered you, I guess, is the heat part, maybe because it was...

I don't know where you found it out from.

Mr. President, the mistake we made is to tell him the truth.

I have no interest.

The heat part was needed.

First of all, they had no point in saying that he's... because he's going to Japan.

Secondly, we had to set it up in the cover to get to Paris.

Thirdly, it isn't definitely that because he's leaving.

I'm seeing you definitely.

The mistake we made, Mr. President, is to tell him the truth, not to tell him the truth.

You had asked me not to tell him, hey, through a mistake.

No, I said low profile.

I thought you had to tell him anything he's going to learn.

Well, but we could have done it while I'm on the trip and to say that you had decided to have me do that.

Yeah.

but we were perfectly above board.

We gave him the entire schedule within 12 hours of my talking to him.

What bothers him is the trip, not the... And he's just looking for an excuse.

Because we had to do...

He stopped and he thought we had the nuclear treatment so that we had to... That's not...

The only thing is, Bob and I would keep this a very long time.

Visiting these others has helped us in how it looks like.

That's the only thing that raises the juxtaposition problem.

But the reason we got to the end was because of

What is the, uh... What is the...

Check on this one.

Sure, this is where we're going here.

It's...

It's... Nice.

Hi, Mr. Bartlett.

He is extremely, he's very rational, very cool.

He said, I didn't have a full report yet.

What time was this?

Mine, at 11.30, plus midnight.

I mean, about 11 o'clock, 11 o'clock.

He said, I don't know yet.

There's great sympathy and so forth for this.

It's an enormous play here.

It's a Jewish-Jewish visit.

It's going to be fun.

And other way, too.

It's going to be written.

But the fight is that whether the Israeli government uses this as a provocation or Russian, the Lebanon or Russian someplace else, they will have world opinion on their side.

Now is the time to strike.

that they've got to avoid if at all possible so that is what i meant here when i talked to mrs maker yesterday she mentioned that when you were working on this problem

I think what our concern here is to show consideration of this situation.

We are so outraged that we would accept anything

Those things happened like, for example, we had the Pueblo.

We didn't do a goddamn thing.

We had the U.C.

We didn't do anything.

I mean, these are matters of sort of a different category, but it's still the kind of thing that where you can't do a war.

But on the other hand, they're in a position where they're looking for an opportunity

straightened somebody.

That's the thing I'm concerned about.

I'm repeating.

I didn't get that feeling from talking to Mrs. Mayer.

They both sounded very calm.

But I do feel a lot of headache and are showing very possible

I think just to be sure we're all in the same wavelength, just to give you the situation at the moment.

As I understand it, one of the things that's been so tragic among many others is that when the Israeli people went to bed last night,

They all felt that the shots had just been saved.

And the papers this morning, the morning papers had the big headlines that they'd all been saved.

So the shock of total reversal must have been, you know, tremendous.

We had our vacancy when we were on the plane yesterday.

I was back in here at 9.30.

That's the first time I heard about it.

Wasn't it when you responded that we had statements ready for you to make?

And I said, wait until we're sure.

Don't issue them.

Thank God we didn't.

And you responded.

Yeah, yeah.

Well, I know on the plane, I was in the thing.

And, you know, fired in bronze and congratulated.

One of those first reports was so definite.

Well, they were issued by the German government.

I don't know, I don't know if there's any television to press sports, whether it was the police or whether it was, you know, I don't know.

Let me say, I think that up to that point, everything we did couldn't have been approved.

We were fast.

We were on top of the house.

As soon as we heard it was

Instead of a task force, we alerted all the police in the areas in this country where we thought the trouble might occur.

For example, New York.

I thought, Bill, that was a good thing to say, because I didn't want to appear to be in on that.

But I didn't do it without you, so I thought we ought to indicate that we'll do our best with that.

People here know that this is not a German.

Also, incidentally, that's a small matter of expense.

I don't even think in those terms.

I bet that got rewatched.

But he met with 11.

I know he's here.

You know what I mean?

I don't want to put security on him, but to quote the police, he's such a celebrity.

I don't mind.

It would be great if he was coming.

Cool.

That'll work.

Well, when the Israeli government realized that news, then you probably know they asked us to cancel the games.

Now, what we did, I think it was just about perfect.

We had our consul general consult with Buck, who was the head of the international committee, expressed our concern that they'd take a position as such.

And then they were going to have a committee meeting to decide whether the game should be canceled.

That's when Alan Henry and I thought and so forth.

And that was supposed to occur after the memorial service.

And we were going to be on the spot, in a sense, and take the position, I'll take the position.

Fortunately, from my standpoint, Grunich announced after the memorial service itself that the games would continue.

So they are continuing now.

So from that standpoint, I think we've played this part right.

We can say that our council's been with the instruction of the government expressly.

in that connection there will be an actual tendency to say that the Americans should not continue because of this.

That's the next point I'm coming to.

So insofar as the cancellation of the games, we did it just about right.

We consulted with the Israeli government.

We said we wanted to do all we could.

Our consul general talked to all the people he could find.

They didn't have the

You're having to make me now to decide what they should say about the continuation of the Games, but they've made the decision the Games are going to continue and so forth.

Now, the government now, I gather they haven't had an official, at least to my knowledge, they haven't had an official request from the Israeli government, but there is some grumbling to the effect that we ought to withdraw our athletes.

Yeah, we in the United States.

Israel, we had one television report that their athletes decided to stay

as I came in.

We had one report that the team had decided to continue on the Israeli game.

We just had another report that they had not done.

The New York Times has had a strong plea that the game should be canceled.

So I think we will probably be under some pressure, I'm not sure how much yet, to withdraw our athletes.

And it may well be that Israel will ask us

We have talked about things that could be done by you as a result of this meeting.

One would be to order that all public buildings have flags and half masks, which is certainly something that could be done.

One of these athletes was an American.

Yeah, he went to Columbia.

He was arrested, supposedly.

And he's only been there three years, I think.

Well, they can't picture him on television.

Yeah.

We have a statement on the U.S. issue.

Did you send one to Mrs. Maynard?

Not that you ought to send it.

No, we didn't.

Then I have one that I would send to you, Dan.

I mean, let's stop at the games for a minute.

My own feeling is that the Israelis probably can't see this.

But the smartest thing they can do is to say that the games are what these guerrillas want to accomplish.

They should stop the games.

And we keep playing right with our hands.

The other point is, let's remember, when we've had these goddamn marches around Washington, what do they want us to do?

They want us to stop the government.

We play it to their hands when people say, oh, you ought to do it, or you ought to go pray with them, or go meet with them in Lafayette Park.

But I think all of us agree, but we all agree separately.

I said yesterday at the back meeting, I thought we shouldn't spend the games, but the worst thing to do is to stop them.

You said that means post-conference.

That means for a day, post-conference.

But the worst thing to do, it seems to me, would be to stop them.

Second, first it would be a terrible slap in the German's face.

They tried, I would tell.

They did everything.

The crisis of fraud went there, they got more data.

When they decided to shoot it out, I mean, they made two tragic mistakes.

One, somehow issuing a statement that the hostages were saved, and the other, of course, was to have a shootout where all the hostages were killed and some of the drillers were saved.

But it's the same mistake that Nelson made in New York, and it's just a mistake of execution, the crisis of money.

I can't believe it.

But now, wait, supposedly...

quoted some of the speeches taken.

Then they would have been blamed, wouldn't they?

Sure.

The Germans were in the hard place.

No, they couldn't let them leave their country.

They would have played.

The Germans were in the hard place.

Well, I don't blame them.

That's right.

Well, let's go back now to what would happen if the games were canceled.

At the moment, everybody in the world has said that Hansa Decenty sympathizes with Israel.

They've never had so much support.

Now, here is the result of your action.

the government of Israel in collaboration with the United States.

Games were canceled.

You lose a lot of that.

Secondly, I'm not sure that the athletes would abide by it anyway.

I'm not sure that the athletes are not.

We can't control the athletes.

And if Brendan says the game is going to continue, we can't.

We have no control over it.

This is an amateur endeavor with no government connection.

If we start politicizing the games, you might as well forget them.

You see, we don't control them.

We don't control the athletes, so we went.

I think a hell of a lot of it was... Now, also, I think you could make a hell of a strong case that the athletes who were killed won the game.

Oh, absolutely.

This is why the Israelis want to ask for it.

Yeah, I mean, they... Well, that they'll never do, but... Yeah, why not?

They won't.

That's against their nation.

The major thing we have to accomplish is that they don't – I think what I agree completely with what Phil is saying.

Secondly, the major thing we can accomplish is to try to accomplish is that they don't put heat on us for destroying our team or something like that.

Well, you could be sure to politicize it here, I imagine.

My government probably will ask us to withdraw again.

We lose every Jewish vote we're not going to go to.

Is that wrong?

I'm not so sure that you will.

I think it might put a reaction in the country.

No, anyway, we can't do it.

Let me go ahead.

What other options and things we can do?

Well, we've given thought to...

I thought of the flag last night.

Let's talk about that.

with the flags is that, so you have an earthquake in Peru, you've got to, I mean, there are various kinds of levels of defense.

Well, I think this is a good thing.

What about the shooting in Northern Ireland?

You know what I mean?

I think it's different, but I think you have a problem that whenever you have a tragedy, say an aircraft goes down or something, I agree this is different.

This is the International Olympics.

I said, I was thinking too of it.

Another thing you could do is you could ask for a period of silence during the time that you know.

When is it?

In Israel.

Is it in Israel?

That's another thing.

It's in Israel.

How about somebody go, well, let me get to that.

They don't want people.

They do.

on this, they said that they don't want every government to send somebody out, really want to politicize it.

Willie Brown is trying to go himself.

They've asked him not to go.

They don't want delegations.

I think it's a very wise thing.

It might be that if we decided to...

Send an athlete?

Well, yeah, we could send a bus boss back here who's a hell of an athlete and Jewish and wasn't a government.

Jesse Owens with the natural, of course Spitz was, but I don't think we can tell you, probably wouldn't be able to tell you.

Why?

Well, because he's, and you're watching on television, you get so emotional about Spitz, and he's under, he's sort of fearful now that he rushed him out of Germany, he's afraid that something might happen to him, and he, uh,

He was on a delegation last night from London.

It's a possibility, but I don't think we're going to...

But in any event, I think we ought to be careful.

We ought to consult with him.

Would you say not politicize it than they...

I was thinking, for example, that you might go, but I think you'd never do it.

Well, I would do it, at least, if other governments...

If other governments go.

I mean, say if Brown goes, we've got a chance to vote.

The point is that they are going to sit there in Brunswick.

We don't necessarily have to send somebody because that was the country where it happened.

Yeah, that's true.

He didn't go.

But I think we ought to do it.

We ought to do it.

That's good.

Whatever the district wants.

If they don't want us to do it, we should.

If they want us to do it, we should.

We'll have a little time on that.

Now, what are other things we could do?

Well, we thought about that.

Well, let me ask this about this possibility.

It has to be Security Council, right?

So you run into the Chinese and the Russians.

that they have a resolution or condemning all countries of Harvard or something like that.

That's not it.

I think what I'm thinking, it looks like there's something that will show Israel that we are strongly supporting them.

So that, in other words, the more we do, the more we do without getting the Germans down, that indicate that we're supporting them publicly without

If we appear not to be doing enough, I feel they'll do something.

If we appear to be doing too much, I feel they'll do something.

Right?

There's a range of problems.

They'll probably do something.

You know, this is really a cabinet statement just issued.

It expresses anger and disgust.

There'll be a government-sponsored funeral.

Cabinet calls for effective steps by the National

That fits into what you're talking about.

Let me finish this.

Cabinet calls for effective steps forward.

President Mayer expresses gratification at German efforts to free hostages, including the decision to use force.

The Israeli team will discontinue its participation in the Olympic Games.

The cabinet does not, however, call for cancellation of the games.

This is a low-key statement which will, of course, be welcomed and mined.

That's good.

Marvelous.

Now, when I called him last night to call this morning, he calls.

He'll be sure to make the call.

He'll be sure to make the statement.

This is a very, very good statement.

Well, I thought what I'd do after this is call him and tell him what we are going to do.

Talk to him, particularly about the funeral, whether it's the FBI delegation.

Talk to him about making a trade with the hijacking conference.

Come back to the U.N. You're buried.

The hijacking conscience, as I remember, is a conscience.

You don't think the U.N. is a conscience?

Can I just finish this?

I think the hijacking conscience is the U.N. Oh, it is?

Yeah.

There's only two things to do.

One, we're going to deal with the hijacking.

Well, terrorism, too.

It deals with hijacking and terrorism.

But the trouble is, the U.N. versus the General Assembly doesn't meet.

The National Security doesn't meet.

And I don't know what kind of task force.

I don't know who's responsible.

We don't know what countries we would attempt to retaliate.

And also, there's a great, great possibility that we'll prove to be innocent.

Sure.

Well, anything, nothing is likely to work.

So we have to start with that.

The question is partly how do we start.

I think if we went to the UN,

There's nothing we can do about this particular event and we shouldn't go to the UN about this particular event.

We should use this particular event to see whether one can get an international expression about rules of conduct about countries and other guerrilla organizations operating across national borders and effective sanctions against countries that do this now under the impact of

of this tragedy.

I'm pretty sure the Chinese would veto anything that would have even effect.

But this seems to me an appropriate enslavement, I think, for the United States to do.

It addresses a world problem, not focused on the Jewish community as such, but particularly triggered by this event.

If it is, the way that we don't

If we don't force the discussion too rapidly, it will get the Israelis over this.

It will make it harder for the Israelis to take military action within the next week while this debate is going on, which is going to be the most difficult period.

By that time, we will be close to the opening of the General Assembly, and we can introduce it then again in the General Assembly, and we will then be taking the leadership in a worldwide anti-terrorist problem and a problem in which

A lot of countries have a say.

I would say I would not go to the Security Council to condemn this act.

That is totally futile.

But I would go to the Security Council with a statement-like position saying this has now become an international problem, hijacking, terrorism.

No one is clearly responsible.

And get...

And countries like the Algerians might even welcome some international expression which gets them out.

Let me put it another way, Bill.

My concern is that... That's without prejudice to...

I think it's very good.

figure out how to boycott nations like Algeria.

This is what the whole controversy has been about.

You know, the pilots have been in favor of it.

We tend to be in favor of it.

The airlines have some favor of it.

Let me say that I think there's a two turn.

That can be done, too.

I think that after...

Now, let me just run by, and I'm not a, you should know how I think of the UN, one of its greatest advocates, but I think if you're going before the UN, your security counselor would be, you see that very decapitated thing, calls upon

But he wrote to the UN for the Security Council, even if the Chinese shouldn't say no.

It's a forum that has massive coverage.

And I just think it would be good if they had this written and hung out there.

Now the problem is, having said that, having said that, Henry had pointed that out earlier.

But this is not right.

That's why, first of all, you know, I don't, my mind is not fluent in Security Council, although I've approached it in sort of various ways because it's been so ineffective.

Right.

I have a lot of love for what we asked for.

I mean, it's true, if you could say, if you could clearly identify guerrillas, they were sort of, you know, speckled people or something.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And you say, well, if Lebanon harbors speckled people, we're going to have to do so-so.

Pebble is hard to define guerrillas.

I'm sure that the lawyers would find some formulation of a group that engages in activity outside the borders of the territory in which it's based and that's a country that harbors such groups.

I mean, after all, yesterday it was this

There was a group in Beirut that announced that it was responsible for this act.

Similarly, another group in Beirut announced it was responsible for the killing at Lida Airport.

They hijacked the Algerian Sahara and the Black Panther.

Now, we don't care about the Black Panthers as long as they stay in Algeria.

If they hijack planes into Algeria, then they're using that

as a base, so I'm sure one could find a definition of countries that harbor organizations operating beyond their borders.

They operate within the borders of their countries, subject to their domestic jurisdiction, and then one should, my idea would be we would go to this, to the Security Council, not in a condemnatory way, but in a statesmanlike way, to say this is a world craft,

Today, yet last night, it affected the Israelis.

Tomorrow it may affect everyone around this table.

We are not asking for a condemnation of any country.

We are not asking for punishment of anyone.

We are asking for the future of international rules of conduct.

And we could make a very statesmanlike presentation, make a few proposals, invite other proposals.

That would get a palaver started.

If the Chinese veto it, I'm not so sure what the story is.

Well, you haven't gotten a veto, have you?

Well, I don't know.

I'm not worried about a veto.

I don't know.

As I say, I don't know.

I don't think so.

But you say, Henry, I don't agree with that.

I wish I could.

The deceased, the lawyer, we've been trying to do this now for months in connection with airplane hijacking.

We can't find a way to do it.

Now, maybe there is a way, but certainly it's even more difficult when you talk about guerrilla groups.

I mean,

Great China is dedicated to helping and trying to revolutionize our own people.

I wouldn't mind them making that explicit.

And certainly it's going to be difficult.

I think we could capitalize on this and get into a statesman-like position and put a deterrent on Israeli actions.

We are meeting their concerns.

We are going to the U.N.

And after the Security Council fails, we could go to the General Assembly.

Somebody's going to go to the General Assembly with us anyway.

Well, we'd have, of course, a lot of time to do that.

The General Assembly is in another five, three weeks.

But I don't really...

I think that the way to deal with Israel is to consult very closely with them and do everything we can to encourage them not to take action.

I don't think that they give a damn about

I mean, they didn't have so much money.

If we said to them, look, we're taking some effective action.

Please don't attack Lebanon.

They'd say, oh, for Christ's sake, we don't give a goddamn about the security council.

Another thing, just to say, if the security council is not to attack Lebanon, that wouldn't even be mentioned.

No, no, I thought about Israel.

The fact that we went to the U.N. We've got the influence.

There's no one goddamn chance.

But if it was Israel, it's what we say to them about it.

And I think they would have to react to it.

Well, we have been.

Does anybody think we're not?

No, no, no.

In every one of these things, in the case of the last time, the airport incident, we...

But that statement of theirs is a dang statement of mine.

Very good.

So our hunting happened...

Nobody does anything, Mr. President.

This statement can be used by them to say, it feels the world opinion, no one did anything.

I'll be up to it.

Well, let's think about it.

We don't have to think about it.

I'd be interested in what the reaction would be about the security council.

Whether it still thinks it's... Well, if they haven't, why do we have to think about it?

The point is, we don't have any good choices.

The thing is, I think Israel, the one thing that they would like, let's just be the devil's advocate, they don't even have the word of the day.

But they do, the publicity is the word of the day.

Rabin said a very interesting thing last night.

It shows what a cool customer he is.

I would have been the same way.

He said, well, this is a terrible tragedy for these men and their families.

He said, you know, these men, he said, in a way, it will help their country.

Because, he said, it will bring to the attention of the world a terrible problem that is plaguenous.

And, you see, it remains.

So what I'm getting at is, maybe, it may be, that they would be greatly appealed to.

I mean, they seem to make a lot out of the fact

If we can get a few days of calm, if nothing happens in the next few days, and we can keep everybody calm down, then there's going to be a realization that what is important

Now that Israelis are thinking along these lines, Diane has had a discussion with us recently in which he says he thinks the time is right now for them, not necessarily for us, but for them to be more forthcoming.

Egypt is certainly going to make some proposal at the General Assembly this fall.

We're not too sure in what form.

But there will be renewed interest in attempting to

to bring about some kind of a solution to the basic problem.

Because as long as the basic problem exists, everything else we do is sort of on the periphery.

And you can shoot the drillers, and they can blow up their craft.

But the problem is what exacerbates the whole area.

Well, in that connection, Bill, I think Mr. Kennedy and the devil's advocate just said that the UN action might be helpful.

I guess the idea that the United States

this on the world stage?

Well, I want to think up to, I think, the UN action.

There will be UN action.

But it will deal with a problem, not with punishing guerrillas.

And I think that when the General Assembly starts, that this will revive a lot of interest in trying to make progress toward a peaceful settlement.

And I think that we ought to start, I realize that you're sensitive about taking any action which would

If talks could start, or if we could be helpful in getting talks started, even if nothing else happened, it would be quite, I think, a great asset as far as the campaign is concerned.

Because everyone has thought or realized that that's what matters.

And as I say, the young leaders in Israel are thinking along these lines.

I think we ought to let, not right now, but I think we ought to, if a man is speaking for the government,

then I think we should not indicate an evil.

Well, it could for the short run.

Everyone realizes.

I mean, so Israel retaliates, blows up something in Lebanon.

That doesn't help.

I mean, a thoughtful Israeli has to state it himself.

Christ, we've only got two and a half million people, and they're going to be a hell of a lot of people.

Well, that was our main task.

But we can't...

I talked a lot about this last week.

They can't hack it over in one period of time.

There's just too many identitarians.

And there are too many crazy ones.

And it's a hell of a shock when you kill 11 Israelis.

And they're going to...

I heard the...

uh representative in the u.n last night explained why they said it's tough you know i realized we don't condone it but we've had a hell of a lot of palestinians killed over the years we've got all these people homeless and what this does is indicate to the world we've got to solve the problem it's a hell of a thing to have a lot of israelis killed that's the hell of a thing to have millions of people homeless all these years so the problem has to be solved so i think there will be a great

if there was some way to get negotiations started, it would be, I think it would be the best thing that could happen in the area.

Because if the Israelis retaliate, which they may do, that will quiet them down, quiet the girls down as well, and they'll think of some other dastardly goddamn thing to do, and they'll do it.

I mean, there's nothing you can do for them.

Who would... Well, Ireland might have hit the point last.

We'd have to do a guerrillas and just be some asshole here.

The main thing I'm concerned about is hijacking.

And this is one thing we could be discrediting.

One day, they're going to hijack a plane.

And it is going to be long.

And you're going to lose 150 people.

And that's going to be the goddamned sentence.

Then, OK, let's not borrow .

Well, Mr. President, I'm glad we lined up.

But let's not let the jury just go forward.

There's no question about the hijacking problem.

There's no question about what we're going to do here.

Nothing more than these really government executives.

some action, we just can't have it.

Call the Security Council for a general discussion.

Well, come back to justice.

Why don't you go back over, sit down, and say, now, look, can we think of something, think of a farce along the lines Henry's talking about where we can go to Security Council with that stupid idea?

I'm not sure I know people who are going to do it.

I had my people last night.

They all...

I'd like to see what can come up on that.

I think it appeals to me, frankly, of our...

If we do it, we should do it within the next day or two so that it doesn't look that we are being pushed by a head of state.

Our heads are pushed by the interior.

We should do it on our own.

One other point that occurred to me that has not yet been done.

The Congress, of course, is in session.

They'll act on their own.

Is there any legislation down there at the present time sitting around

Is there one sort of one of these things that has not yet been approved by the Congress or these conventions?

Or am I getting or something?

I don't know.

I just don't know.

Do you think of anything on the congressional side?

Having in mind the fact they want to be out in the front.

I haven't thought.

So give us a thought about the Congress.

I think there's one thing I don't think we're getting.

The hijacking convention is still before the numbers.

Well, I'll tell you what to do.

When you get the information on that, call Bill Rogers of the State Department.

He's here with me now.

And if you get a

call me at the earliest possible, because if the damn thing is not done.

I was thinking of something that Congress, you know,

and figure maybe it isn't going to go, but it might buy us some time, buy us some time to have reacted to the Israeli suggestion that way on a very visible way.

That's the thing I think is visible.

As they say there, we call upon those words.

Very effective steps by the international community to stop this sanitation.

Well, the international community is the

You know what the Israelis are talking about.

They're talking about, you know, we don't...

They're not talking about the UN.

They can't stand it.

But I'll talk to you for being in finance.

If they're interested in it.

If they're not interested in it, then it's fine to be done.

Because most people think that...

Most people have a feeling that the UN is just...

I know.

Well, I agree with you.

I think it was just a political ploy.

I agree.

Do you mean anywhere you think the Paramount should have protected them?

Well, they think three things.

They bought them.

One, they didn't protect them.

For Christ's sake, if they had these things, why wouldn't they protect the Jews at the Olympic Games when they're trying to wipe out the memory of Hitler?

Right.

Point number one.

I covered that in my follow-up conversation.

I said, Madam Prime Minister, did you have any intelligence

Indicating that she said, no, we didn't.

No, nobody said that.

But the Germans...

I must say that I can understand why he's really so mad, because they had police there watching.

They knew that the Israeli team... What are the other reasons?

They let him in anyway.

Otherwise, they saw these guys climbing over the fence.

The second one is that they think it's unforgivable that they said that the hostages were free.

They feel that the Germans were playing politics.

They were claiming credit for it before they knew what the facts were.

And three, they think they botched up the shootout.

They think that they had a goddamn equal shooting and that the hostages

The first time the Germans have gotten a chance to shoot anybody since World War II.

They botched it.

Well, to kill a Jew is a kind of death on hell right now.

Irony is that there had to be, well, the hijacking thing.

The UN, let's look into it.

Think of the congressional things.

If anything, we could ask the Congress

No, no, we blame those for this, Mr. President.

Thank God.

I mean, if we acted this way, this is our fault.

I think we're making a mistake.

I think we've done everything all right.

No, I don't think they've done this.

Do you think so, Al?

No, I don't think so.

In fact, I think we've done rather well.

I would say I think so, too.

Well, we haven't exploited it.

We haven't tried to.

We haven't whined around about it.

We can't exploit it.

So from that standpoint, I don't think... Let me ask you to do this on the U.N. thing.

You will get a review, and you can say no.

certainly don't want to go there.

And we have no illusions about it being effective.

We do have, in terms of doing something, we do have illusions.

We do feel that it might be effective in terms of the future by putting a spotlight on this kind of activity.

Now, Mr.

Passenger, what's your candid opinion on this?

Do you think it's a good idea or a bad idea?

You may say, probably say, no, it's not a good idea that we could drop it.

But he says, well, we would appreciate it

What do you think, Al?

I think I'll do well if Rabin is not on that.

On this, let's figure out who's going to do these things.

Because if we have to, do you want me to do it?

Al, if you and him are going to have any discussions, you let me know.

So we don't have to.

I don't think we're planning that.

All I can say is that I told Rabin to inform me today if he had any new information.

Because I figured they had all the information.

What I plan to do is tell him that you and Henry Cavill and I had a meeting.

We talked about this thing that you would ask me to call him and tell him these are the things we had in mind and talk to him about the U.N. and then have that as a channel of communication.

Right, right.

And I'll, if we're meeting calls here, because I'll be probably in the meeting with Schultz at that time.

Is that Schultz?

I'd say I'm going to the IMF.

I know Schultz at first.

Well, I've been involved in all this.

I've heard people agree.

I'm probably going to agree to it this morning.

I've agreed to it, but I've got a speech prepared.

Well, then we can agree to a speech.

No.

It's all right.

It's better to speak at the UN.

I think it's better.

I think you should do it.

It's a pretty stellar speech.

You won't like it, but I think it's worth doing.

Well, it's being on the international stage, actually.

Well, it also gives you an opportunity to talk about what you've done here to correct inflation and waste and crisis and so forth.

Well, what all of it told me is that you and Schultz and Platt got it all agreed.

That's right.

And I said, okay, y'all.

So Schultz is going to... Schultz is the one that has a hard time.

He's going to make a speech following you.

And he's got to try to... All right.

Well, his job is to attempt to explain that we have our stuff to throw on a monetary program without actually saying what it is.

Now, if he says what it is, if it gets too much visibility, it could upset the markets.

World markets don't want that.

In other words, you better have a goddamn meeting at IMF that you've got to schedule.

You know, the problem, too, with Schultz, though, is

And Burns is for us.

We've been having meetings.

We had an all-day meeting.

We had one yesterday.

I've gone to about ten meetings.

I've listened to them for two days.

But the real problem is, first, we don't have a plan for sure of ourselves.

Second, we're quick.

I'm certain about whether the world can accept this week.

In any event, we don't want to make it public before the election.

The other hand, you can't appear to go to this meeting and be totally into this plan.

So you've got to say something.

And the things that they prepared for you to say are constructive and worthwhile.

What George has to say is going to be very difficult because he's got to open the door.

My station is in the area.

And you will say in your speech that the Secretary of Treasury will make some additional comments.

He will spell out, he will not spell out my name, I'll see everybody.

But Henry, we agree that I'll call him.

I will.

If you have any URL, let me just go through it.

But if you don't know how, can you advise anything with that?

We'll ask him about the security council, and he has to talk about it.

We haven't decided on a business about the...

Yes.

Everyone has an answer.

Yes.

The last part is the thing I want to address.

I don't.

I forget.

It's only the sense that they see that the... Well, let's give it to your congressional people, having in mind the fact that they may want to...

The Senate has ratified the convention.

See, the only thing is the implementing legislation, which is licensing technical.

We could have it.

They can say here's something, and Congress can do what they want to do.

How many back to the... To the flag or... On the flag...

I would tend to say no.

I would tend to say, you know, we've got some trust.

Do you have any?

I just feel it.

Even though it is the Olympics.

I sort of felt that.

I sort of got the reaction.

It's the lower of the flag.

But I'm afraid that we're going to have prayers.

There's too many.

I didn't mean for Churchill, sir.

I didn't mean for Churchill.

That is a special event.

Well, now wait, let's talk.

What do you mean by, I don't know, maybe we're... Well, I think let's... That's a symbolic thing.

But it wouldn't be a flag all over the country, it's just the envelope.

Well, one of the...

Which is a very personal symbolic thing.

I applaud this one.

I don't want to go into all...

I wouldn't do it, quite frankly, because we wouldn't do it for eight idiots assassinated in Munich at the Olympic Games.

And it sets a precedent.

I think that's a pretty good point.

What about a moment of silence or something?

I think this is because of the international period.

We'll have one at the conference, that's for sure today.

Moment of silence at the funeral, that's more... Well, you see, let me be the advocate of that for just a moment.

A moment of silence or something like that.

First, if you didn't...

eight idiots in your set to do the games would be one thing, but eight idiots being told by the package manager, vice versa, something else.

The games have a special stand.

They've been going on for 80 years.

And everybody makes a good will, and the boys go to each other, and all that sort of thing.

And the other point is, speaking in very personal terms, I'm a hell of a sports fan.

I mean, I'm really touched by that sort of thing, you know, because of that.

I don't suggest that...

and I recall on, not on the moment of silence, why don't we have a, why is it, is it the panel?

Yes.

Why didn't we have something, what do you mean to have, why didn't we just have a moment of silence in every office?

Well, you could ask service.

Yes, you could ask the government agencies, departments and agencies to observe that moment of silence or that moment of silence.

Five minutes is what our people suggested.

At a given time during the memorial service, two minutes of silence.

And just ask all the public agencies to honor that.

Well, I'll tell you this, but we have until the moment of silence.

The moment of silence is something.

Or something, sorry.

My general feeling is this, Mr. President.

It's like the Taiwan thing, when Taiwan was thrown out of the U.N.

There's an immediate upturn, and then afterwards people have second thoughts.

And it bothers me less to declare a national day of mourning.

A moment of silence doesn't bother me so much.

How about doing something quite personal?

How about doing this, Bill?

Why don't I, on the day of the funeral, just go over to this little church for heaven and my soul?

How's that sound?

Is that about it?

There's a church right across the street.

I would just come over and just let it be very personal.

You see what I mean?

It's really getting it across the country.

What about if you did that and each one of them

Let it be more of a sort of rather than an order of proclamation, let it be more of a sort of a spontaneous thing where each department did that.

That would appeal to people because of our individual capacity as a government.

individual capacity because of our concern about this.

Well, you see, the moment of silence, Henry, has a great vision.

Whenever something like this happens, if you open a speech, well held and very open, I ask the press conference to be in less of a moment of silence for various reasons.

A moment of silence doesn't bother me so much.

Anything that can be made more personal and less governmental because

Why should the United States have a government?

That is my concern.

Well, I don't have strong...

I don't feel as long as... First place, I'm lowering the flag.

You know, they lower the flag for everybody.

That's the government.

internationally-sponsored organization that has been devoted to peace.

I think it's quite different than anything that's happened before, and I don't think it's... Let me come back to the Lori, to my Lori.

Why?

Only the way I'll explain.

I'd love to hear it.

Yeah, I wouldn't do that either.

All right.

And if you're going to do that, I'll be on the whole government building.

Okay.

Good.

Well, I don't like this.

Your sensitivity is going to be better than ours.

Well, no...

There are many things that the Jewish people in this might sort of like for a day, but I don't think it's the appropriate thing to do for this region.

Well, I agree.

I don't think we ought to have a day in the morning.

I haven't thought of that.

What I did think of is lowering the flag from government buildings at half past four a day.

But I think that such a

to let other department students, the students that would get around.

For example, I will do it.

It's perfectly natural for us.

It's a national business, too.

And I will say that I'm going to.

And I would hope that others, if they felt appropriate, could do the same thing.

And so at, say, 10 o'clock, whenever the funeral is, we just have a moment of silence so that everything will stop in the building for that period of time.

The funeral's quite busy.

It's got all the water in the morning.

That's the time.

going on and the hijacking convention he will do.

And we'll get together people on the UN, sir.

All right.

And you will talk to Rabin about his...

I will talk to Rabin about the whole thing.

I'll explain what they had this meeting.

I'll tell him that... And I discussed the UN.

I will.

And...

What I'm going to do is I'll have him come into the department rather than do it on the phone if he can't.

We'll have a chance to talk it over.

Is he in town?

You don't know?

I think he was due back in town at ten this morning or something at ten thirty.

He wasn't here last night?

He was in Canada last night.

He's out of the country now.

I don't know where he is.

Anything that we said that was complimentary or... Now, Mrs. Mayer, fortunately, was good about it.

She complimented... She complimented her using force.

But the Truman's are really not to be blamed for their... No, they didn't.

But that's not the point.

The point is that the Israelis are really... Well, Mrs. Mayer said, like the Germans, that they didn't blame her for using force.

Of course, that's a double-edged sword.

They used force.

I don't understand why they save the lives of three of these guerrillas and why they kill them.

All the messages were killed and three of the girls were saved.

And they don't get capital punishment.

That's what's going to happen next.

Instead of looking at the plane that will be hijacked and they'll get those three men out of jail the way they got that girl out of the British.

Is that right?

Sure.

Within the next five years, it looks like the plan will be... You know, Bill, the reason that you're right about the three, though, is that the Germans and Sicily has a repeal gap of a bunch.

They should have shot them right down, right on the spot.

I don't know why we... On that United Airlines flight we left the other day, my dad couldn't get away.

We shot him three times, and they had this minor wound.

I don't know why they didn't use gas, but one doesn't know these things.

I mean... Gas?

At Attica...

At least they saved most of the hostages.

They at least threw gas at first.

Why don't all police forces have this kind of gas that knocks a person out for a short length of time?

The problem with gas is it does take a second to push you down.

There is one, though, that does take a person out for 10 minutes.

Apparently what screwed the flag up, I didn't see it on the official report, but it said

The Germans were counting the people coming out of the plane and the Arabs had taken two of the pilots and made them come out.

So the Germans started shooting at their own pilots first.

That in turn enabled the Arabs to start firing on the Israelis and they had kept some of the Israelis in the helicopter and blew them up.

guess why they could have kept them longer until they got fired.

That's what they do in these hijackings.

They get the hijackers exhausted and he's not operating.

And secondly, if they had done it in daylight, it's also because they have shock chairs and they don't know if they were shooting.

We've got some people working on it.

I think they're at it now.

Me and Ron are just...

I think we're at it now.

Right, right.

What do you want to tell us, Adrian?

First, if you want to... Well, how about we have a little statement here that Mr. Carrier and I right now want to put.

One thing we've got to do, at least as far as you're telling me, is to sustain it.

I think that's not a good idea.

We would call the act grotesque.

We would call it tragic.

Right.

Senseless.

Well, statements are vital, I think, to aesthetics.

You would plan to see that being as soon as you get back to town?

Yeah.

Well, he's in a special position.

If the grunt had gone, they would have needed half of these millions of dollars.

That's right.

That's good.

I'm keeping in contact with them.

They're also working on... What do you say to them working throughout the night keeping... Well, we were the post-confrontation group.

Basically, all of them.

Yeah, it was really good.

It was really great.

Then, uh...

I just put that out now.

The bill is going over to do the hijacking conference.

We have a piece of time.

I hope to do it at 11 o'clock.

I'd do it at 11 o'clock.

It's 7 a.m.

I would do it, and I would attempt to be televised, if you can.

Maybe I'd do it at 12.

It takes

You can make a strong statement regarding it.

Uh, could you release the telegram that you sent Mrs. Mayhew?

Sure.

Could that reach the wire?

You might.

You could also say that...

He'll be back soon, isn't he?

Right.

Sure.

And that they say what precautionary actions you're taking, just saying that there are actions that we think will be effective.

I guess we're not going to discuss them.

be threatened by such activities.

What kind of people?

Well, then I say, well, we're not going to discuss the behavior of people, but let's say we do.

Does this include American citizens and so forth?

But wherever we think there's a possibility of a threat, I mean, there's a

This last paragraph says that they can take consult with other governments on a nourishing basis.

It's what collective measures by the international community can be brought to bear in the promise of a fair race in which it respects all.

We discussed it earlier today.

The rest of it I don't think you want to use.

Oh, you don't want to use the rest of it?

Well, the rest of it deals with the flag and the day of mourning.

Yeah, all right.

We'll leave that out.

What have you decided against the client?

I have this small comment.

The day of the morning, we haven't decided.

It's full yet.

We haven't been together all the time in an hour.

I think what they'll do is start where they left off.

They stopped before and lost.

Something like that yesterday at their time.

But they'll probably just start again.

So they'll just delay everything for one day.

The board of services today.

The job is already over.

They haven't won yet.

Well, they'll have a funeral, which is something more of a...

But they've had a memorial service.

Right.

Well, now... You've got to be asking about a day of mourning, or a half-light, or something like that.

I'll be asking about the flags, probably.

Okay.

I think, Mr. President, your strong position is to be the statesman who stands for the national interest.

the United States does not gently lower its flag for aid foreigners murdered under however tragic circumstances, under particularly poignant circumstances.

And I think I can see cheap shots being taken for a week, but I can also see...

I think you've got, I think, well, having in mind the fact that we have reached a conclusion before, I think you

Well, if you could say,

If you can't, then the command has to stay out of it.

That's my point.

Couldn't he just say, that's all I have to say to the area?

He doesn't have to say anything.

Yeah, that's a valid point.

The only point I'm concerned about is what it appears to be.

No, I can answer that.

That's fine.

No one can say that you are not giving a damn.

I think the idea...

One thing we are possibly contemplating is for your private information, is that we're not going to call upon an actual day of mourning and so forth.

That's not a congressman.

I predict it will be.

I predict so it will be.

Al, can you check with us on whether this has ever been done?

It's probably two instances.

It was done for Dank, not for Marshall, as a proclamation by the president.

This is an attack on the game system.

One thing I was going to say, I do have a personal standpoint that I probably will go over.

It's a journey across the street someday.

That's just for your private branch.

That's what we're considering at the moment.

But let's let it run through the balance.

You can go out now and get it.

You can just post this.

Well, I'd like to get on the wire since I cannot call the wire.

Right.

Why don't you call the wire to get this story out then at your 11 o'clock briefing on Saturday night.

Now he'll keep you posted.

All right.

Call over if you've got anything further.

Okay, Anthony.

And I say that Black and