{"conversationCode":"772-013","tapeNumber":772,"conversationNumber":13,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-772-013","startDateTime":"1972-09-07T20:28:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1972-09-07T20:30:00.000Z","startDate":"7-Sep-1972","startTime":"4:28 PM","endDate":"7-Sep-1972","endTime":"4:30 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"estimated","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Bull, Stephen B.; Ehrlichman, John D.;","description":"On September 7, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon, Stephen B. Bull, and John D. Ehrlichman met in the Oval Office of the White House at an unknown time between 4:28 pm and 4:30 pm. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 772-013 of the White House Tapes.","locationCode":"OVAL","recordingDevice":"Oval Office","latitudeEstimated":38.8974,"longitudeEstimated":-77.0374,"chronCode":4,"chronRelease":"Fourth Chronological Release","chronReleaseDate":"10-Dec-2003","aogpRelease":null,"aogpSegment":null,"lastModified":"2015-07-27T17:04:10.235Z","findingAid":"Conversation No. 772-13\n\n                                         (rev. Oct-06)\n\nDate: September 7, 1972\nTime: Unknown between 4:28 pm and 4:30 pm\nLocation: Oval Office\n\nThe President met with Stephen B. Bull.\n\n             The President's schedule\n                 -Meeting with Republican Congressional and gubernatorial\n                  candidates\n                     -Senators\n\nButterfield left and Ehrlichman entered at 4:30 pm.\n\n             US economic policies\n                 -The President's upcoming meeting with Republican\n                  Congressional and gubernatorial candidates\n                     -Possible discussion with Edward W. Brooke\n                         -Money for public housing\n                              -The President's response\n\nEhrlichman left at 4:31 pm.","filename":["772-013.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Bull, Stephen B.","Ehrlichman, John D."],"prevCode":"772-012","nextCode":"772-014","transcript":[{"start":7.9,"end":9.64,"text":"We'll go to Lisa and have that come back in."},{"start":9.66,"end":12.54,"text":"All right, so we're going to do this at your house and your cousin's first."},{"start":12.58,"end":15.44,"text":"Yeah, and then we'll be doing that at your cousin's."},{"start":15.46,"end":18.2,"text":"I don't know if it's better, but it's broken."},{"start":18.24,"end":19.14,"text":"It's broken as well."},{"start":19.16,"end":25.05,"text":"We're going to hit you on the wall when you come out of the house."},{"start":26.97,"end":32.48,"text":"Uh, this is a very hot issue at the moment because of some evidence that broke off and it was passed."},{"start":33.2,"end":34.02,"text":"Are we for it?"},{"start":34.1,"end":37.64,"text":"Don't, don't respond to it one way or the other if you don't mind."},{"start":37.66,"end":40.95,"text":"Yeah, I'll say, I'll say that we're sitting at one of the ends."},{"start":40.99,"end":41.75,"text":"All right, good."},{"start":41.77,"end":42.29,"text":"Let's go."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon, Stephen B. Bull, and John D. Ehrlichman met to coordinate the President's upcoming interactions with Republican candidates. The discussion focused on managing political messaging, specifically regarding the sensitive issue of public housing funding. Nixon decided to adopt a non-committal public stance on the topic to avoid potential controversy during his meetings with GOP congressional and gubernatorial candidates.","topics":["Republican Party","Public housing","Political strategy","Election campaigning","Message management"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-07T23:17:34.057Z"},"topicSlugs":["republican-party","public-housing","political-strategy","election-campaigning","message-management"],"audioDurationSec":67,"audioFiles":[{"file":"772-013.mp3","bytes":1603081,"durationSec":66.72,"bitrate":192215,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:19:57.945Z","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/772-013.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/772-013","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/772/conversation-772-013","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). AI-generated fields (transcript, aiSummary) are provided as-is without warranty."}