{"conversationCode":"772-014","tapeNumber":772,"conversationNumber":14,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-772-014","startDateTime":"1972-09-07T20:31:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1972-09-07T20:49:00.000Z","startDate":"7-Sep-1972","startTime":"4:31 PM","endDate":"7-Sep-1972","endTime":"4:49 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Bull, Stephen B.; Brooke, Edward W.; Grover, James R.; Scott, William L.; Bartlett, Dewey F.; Domenici, Peter V.; Helms, Jesse A.; Taledano, Ben C.; Hawke, Jack; Johnson, Ed; Billy, the Kid; Taylor, Gene; Treen, David C.; Seratkin, David; Bond, Christopher S.; Bowen, Otis; Holzhouser, James; Kay, Morris; Larson, Richard; Thompson, Carveth; Dent, Harry S.; Nidecker, John E.; Cook, Richard K.; Shultz, George P.; Burns, Arthur F.; Ehrlichman, John D.;","description":"On September 7, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon, Stephen B. Bull, Edward W. Brooke, James R. Grover, William L. Scott, Dewey F. Bartlett, Peter V. Domenici, Jesse A. Helms, Ben C. Taledano, Jack Hawke, Ed Johnson, Bill Kid, Gene Taylor, David C. Treen, David Seratkin, Christopher S. Bond, Otis Bowen, James Holzhouser, Morris Kay, Richard Larson, Carveth Thompson, Harry S. Dent, John E. Nidecker, Richard K. Cook, George P. Shultz, Arthur F. Burns, and John D. Ehrlichman met in the Oval Office of the White House from 4:31 pm to 4:49 pm. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 772-014 of the White House Tapes.","locationCode":"OVAL","recordingDevice":"Oval Office","latitudeEstimated":38.8974,"longitudeEstimated":-77.0374,"chronCode":4,"chronRelease":"Fourth Chronological Release","chronReleaseDate":"10-Dec-2003","aogpRelease":null,"aogpSegment":null,"lastModified":"2015-07-27T17:04:10.235Z","findingAid":"Conversation No. 772-14\n\nDate: September 7, 1972\nTime: 4:32 pm - 4:49 pm\nLocation: Oval Office\n\nThe President met with Stephen B. Bull.\n\n             The President’s schedule\n                 -John D. Ehrlichman\n                 -Cufflinks\n                     -Number of Senators\n                 -Photograph session\n                     -Arrangements\n                 -Cufflinks\n\n                                          (rev. Oct-06)\n\nEdward W. Brooke, James R. Grover, William L. Scott, Dewey F. Bartlett, Peter V. Dominici,\nJesse A. Helms, Ben C. Taledano, Jack Hawke, Edward Johnson, Bill Kid, Gene Taylor, David\nC. Treen, David Seratkin, Christopher S. (“Kit”) Bond, Otis Bowen, James Holzhouser, Morris\nKay, Richard Larsen, Carveth Thompson, Harry S. Dent, John E. Nidecker, and Richard K.\nCook entered at 4:32 pm.\n\n*****************************************************************\n\nBEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 1\n[Personal returnable]\n[Duration: 14m 45s    ]\n\nEND WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 1\n\n*****************************************************************\n\n[General conversation]\n\nBrooke, et al., except Helms, left at 4:46 pm.\n\nBull entered at an unknown time after 4:46 pm.\n\n             The President's schedule\n                 -Arthur F. Burns\n                     -H.R. (“Bob”) Haldeman\n\nBull left at an unknown time before 4:47 pm.\n\n*****************************************************************\n\nBEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 2\n[Personal returnable]\n[Duration: 31s        ]\n\nEND WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 2\n\n*****************************************************************\n\n                                       (rev. Oct-06)\n\nGeorge P. Shultz, Burns, and Ehrlichman entered at 4:47 pm.\n\n            1972 Presidential Campaign\n                -George S. McGovern's statement\n                -Conversation with H.R. (“Bob”) Haldeman\n\n            National economy\n                -Tax reform proposals\n\n            1972 Campaign\n                -Democratic Party\n                -Strategy\n                     -George Meany\n\nHelms left at an unknown time before 4:49 pm.","filename":["772-014.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. 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Shultz, Arthur F. Burns, and John D. Ehrlichman. The latter portion of the meeting focused on 1972 presidential campaign strategy, specifically addressing George McGovern’s recent public statements and potential outreach to George Meany. Participants also reviewed proposals regarding tax reform and broader economic policy in the context of the upcoming election.","topics":["1972 Presidential Campaign","Economic Policy","Tax Reform","George McGovern","George Meany","Republican Party"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-07T23:17:39.700Z"},"topicSlugs":["1972-presidential-campaign","economic-policy","tax-reform","george-mcgovern","george-meany","republican-party"],"audioDurationSec":219,"audioFiles":[{"file":"772-014.mp3","bytes":5248730,"durationSec":218.64,"bitrate":192050,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:19:57.945Z","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/772-014.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/772-014","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/772/conversation-772-014","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). AI-generated fields (transcript, aiSummary) are provided as-is without warranty."}