Nixon White House Tapes — Conversation 774-003
Date: Monday, September 11, 1972 at 9:40 AM
Participants: Nixon, Richard M. (President); Haldeman, H. R. ("Bob"); White House operator; [Unknown person(s)]; Bull, Stephen B.
Recording device: Oval Office
Source: https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/774-003

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[1:13] Did you see that?
[1:22] Absolutely incredible.
[1:24] We get screwed on a lot of things.
[1:28] Boxing and diving, very badly screwed on.
[1:31] And also wrestling.
[1:35] And also after a guy had to take that right hit with his asthma medicine out of the rifle.
[1:43] But the basketball then tops the ball.
[1:47] What happened to you then?
[1:48] I didn't have any idea that they were, they are in third division.
[1:56] Or a timer, or a judge or something.
[1:59] Well, that would be, I would have figured.
[2:04] Well, God.
[2:05] But hell, they went back and re-rented stuff, and there's just no way that what they say happened in,
[2:12] Only one minute could have happened in one minute.
[2:14] It had to have taken three minutes.
[2:16] Therefore, the game has to have been over.
[2:18] Then you had all kinds of other things.
[2:20] Even when they gave the Russians three extra seconds.
[2:22] I meant three seconds, not three minutes.
[2:24] When they gave the Russians three extra seconds, they followed two of our guys.
[2:30] The Russian guy going in for the basket knocked two guys to the ground.
[2:33] I mean, as the coach said, two men don't just fall flat on the ground.
[2:38] All guys did that.
[2:39] All guys did that.
[2:40] They all called here.
[2:45] Even more so.
[2:46] Absolutely.
[2:48] Much more so.
[2:50] And it was a complete fiasco.
[2:55] On the minute, probably.
[2:59] It was, he'd sit there watching me, he'd just get mad as hell, no, the other way.
[3:03] Ross?
[3:03] Yeah, Shanky, I don't even remember.
[3:05] Shanko, whoever was describing it, I forget who it was.
[3:07] It wasn't Shanko, it was somebody else doing it, I think.
[3:10] Yeah, it was Gifford and Will Chamberlain, I guess.
[3:14] But, uh,
[3:21] game in the United States instead of in Germany?
[3:23] Frank Everett.
[3:24] Frank Everett was in our club.
[3:27] Hard or so.
[3:32] I saw Bobby Steele win.
[3:32] I mean, I mean, Little Ray.
[3:36] Ray Steele.
[3:37] Yeah, Little Ray.
[3:38] Sugar Ray Steele.
[3:39] Sugar Ray.
[3:40] That was what he was hard at.
[3:42] Yeah, it did hand out to his heart.
[3:44] Virgin Man Black did, I guess.
[3:45] I don't understand what he did.
[3:49] Well, did he on the anthem?
[3:52] I didn't see the end.
[3:53] I saw a fight.
[3:54] I saw a review of the 400 meters on that, some of those fights.
[3:57] Blacks behaving that way.
[4:00] There's been a lot of good stuff, man.
[4:02] They probably, probably the black attention, I'm sure, that they all were paying for behavior.
[4:07] Well, that's, you know, they're debating now.
[4:09] There's a high hand on the part of the Olympic officials.
[4:12] Bullshit.
[4:13] That they weren't showing disrespect.
[4:15] Bullshit.
[4:15] I'm not talking, our committee showed a, even Shirley Pogich's morning service.
[4:28] of the committee, by God, the international committee, drew them out.
[4:31] Goddamn, those Americans aren't going to stand up for the flag.
[4:34] It was the UN after.
[4:36] No, sir.
[4:36] Thank you.
[4:39] And then they're debating the nationalists in the Olympics.
[4:41] But the debate is coming down very much in favor of the point that the nationalism is good, that it's a national pride and patriotism.
[4:54] And it's how those are moving moments.
[4:57] sensational picture in life of the little girl that won the big swimming event, beat the Australian.
[5:03] She was there standing there, and the Australian here in this chair looking, you know, very serious.
[5:08] And our girl just teared running down her face.
[5:17] Cut.
[5:19] Yeah.
[5:20] Spitz, I'm trying to get a reading on it.
[5:22] Well, I got a call.
[5:41] Well, I don't, yeah.
[5:45] I didn't know Chuck was racist.
[5:50] You shouldn't yet.
[5:52] No, he is, because he wrote his own letter, 11 November.
[5:55] He what?
[5:56] Chuck wrote a note on Cassius' mammogram, and all those conclusions.
[6:01] Say, don't say anything, he's coming to the White House.
[6:06] But what is the situation?
[6:08] Well, what I want to see is,
[6:09] His hero is not Schillinger.
[6:12] Well, for Christ's sake, my gosh.
[6:14] That's exactly the point.
[6:15] Schillinger is our committee.
[6:17] His coach, Javor, has said, call him.
[6:20] You saw that?
[6:20] I didn't see that.
[6:22] Well, that's it.
[6:23] That's the real reason I called him.
[6:24] Javor says he's smart.
[6:26] Well, he could be.
[6:28] Oh, I think he is.
[6:31] But I just want to be sure for Schillinger.
[6:33] I don't know.
[6:35] He is a little strange.
[6:36] Yeah.
[6:37] He's, uh...
[6:44] She's a good Miss American too.
[6:51] She's a good Miss American.
[6:55] She's a good Miss American too.
[6:56] She's a good Miss American too.
[7:00] She's a good Miss American too.
[7:03] She's a good Miss American too.
[7:18] Do you think they've worked him over?
[7:20] They seem to come out that they're going to hold something back.
[7:23] It looks like we must know now who the leak is in that bucket.
[7:26] I would find out.
[7:28] We have to know.
[7:29] The post story gives us the info.
[7:31] It says he's the holy identity.
[7:33] It says he was the, what is my convention?
[7:36] Guy.
[7:37] Guy.
[7:37] I don't think that's right.
[7:39] But I think, I don't know, ask.
[7:54] Maybe, or they may have used him to deliver some of them.
[7:57] I'll send it over to someone.
[7:59] I read the article.
[8:00] So he did not.
[8:01] He delivered none of them personally.
[8:03] He got them delivered to a car.
[8:05] I don't think he may have known who it was going to.
[8:08] In other words, it may have been.
[8:13] Why is it the grand jury doesn't have it?
[8:16] They would be calling in whoever it is.
[8:18] Apparently, well, they didn't have it.
[8:28] He called in for the rancher .
[8:32] He said .
[8:33] And nobody in the violence has been called for in the ranch area.
[8:45] And nobody's going to get through, whether they .
[8:48] I'll get it run down.
[8:51] I'm asking for it.
[8:55] the whole process of the ..
[9:02] I used to still have it all.
[9:04] A lot of them come out of it now, except that it's good to cut the .. Cut the damn story and then go with ..
[9:14] So yeah, of course, we have nothing to do with ..
[9:18] They're trying ..
[9:19] They're trying to get the grand jury .. That's it.
[9:23] Yeah, what?
[9:24] Yes.
[9:53] If you don't say it the same way he has, because there will be no White House involvement.
[9:57] You don't say it.
[9:58] We've said all along there's no White House involvement.
[10:00] Well, the way I would do this is take the offensive and call on the Democrats and the Republicans.
[10:03] You know what I mean?
[10:05] There we are.
[10:05] They've been charging them.
[10:06] Oh, this is me.
[10:07] We're glad this is over and so forth and so on.
[10:10] There's no White House involvement.
[10:11] We've said it.
[10:12] We've told it to people and we've said it.
[10:14] I just kind of think I'm getting the line.
[10:37] We don't, the intention was not to go too far on the offensive.
[10:43] Well, because you're still pushing against the civil suit and the stuff the
[10:57] in public when Procter & Kennedy sold him.
[11:27] Who was talking?
[11:28] I don't know.
[11:28] There's no point in anticipating.
[11:33] I'll find out.
[11:38] I guess it was from reading the story, because he listened to the phone.
[11:44] He talked to the grand jury.
[11:49] He delivered such cordial.
[11:50] Yes, it was.
[11:59] has a deep cognitive identity design.
[12:03] Who is it?
[12:04] Baldwin?
[12:05] I see.
[12:11] I see.
[12:17] Okay.
[12:19] No, he's the, Baldwin's one of the five.
[12:23] He's the, is he here?
[12:26] Yeah.
[12:29] Well, he did work for Mark with that, so that's part of history.
[12:33] He was assigned to Mark.
[12:35] But he knows nothing, and everything he does know has been told to the grand jury.
[12:42] In fact, whatever he's given the Democrats can't go beyond that he doesn't know anymore.
[12:48] He may have made up something.
[12:50] Why are they talking?
[12:53] That's just Dean's message.
[12:55] I will not.
[13:00] He must love fire.
[13:04] He's the kooky guy.
[13:29] He's the other CIA guy.
[13:32] No, that's not right either.
[13:53] and see how you can be here.
[13:56] If I have to, you know, five minutes or ten seconds.
[14:08] Sure.
[14:09] Thank you.
[14:09] Do you really see what all it is I'm saying?
[14:28] I really mean, God, you've got the son of a bitch right down to the core.
[14:32] And incidentally, there can be no, you're right about the domestic counsel.
[14:38] It's much too large, much too large.
[14:40] There are too many people, too many people looking at this, looking at that, looking at everything else.
[14:45] You know, I'm just making paperwork for other people.
[14:48] The same is true of Henry Stein, way over Stein, way too.
[15:11] is that we're thinking of these as simply being the top guys or just being the stablers and just kind of getting their approach.
[15:18] You know, if you've got the agency, you just have to follow us to pick it up.
[15:27] That's exactly it.
[15:31] That's really going to be his pleasure.
[15:37] Carlos, you want to go back to state?
[15:43] Henry's advice on people is very bad.
[15:54] He's taken in by intellectual brilliance.
[16:03] And also what's the thing to do in the establishment.
[16:15] Oh, sure.
[16:49] He's a very confident, follow-through kind of guy, but not particularly creative.
[17:01] He's great out there.
[17:04] He loves the park.
[17:28] We don't have to put these people at all.
[17:31] A lot of these people are going to come back.
[17:34] Sure.
[17:36] Just the difference between our crowd and the other people and the others.
[17:40] Our people want to get home.
[17:41] A lot of people can afford to have college.
[17:46] And would rather they don't like Washington for the sake of Washington.
[17:49] They don't like government for the sake of Washington.
[17:57] They really don't.
[17:59] There's a hell of a difference.
[18:10] The, uh, the power, the only thing that the MacGyver client is yacking about, I mean, is what I saw.
[18:36] It's nothing much there.
[18:37] It's pretty little things.
[18:39] Well, he had a big blast on grain dealing.
[18:41] You know, they were supposed to really bust things up and make a scandal since IT&T and Teapot Dome and all that stuff.
[18:50] And then just the press didn't buy it, which is kind of interesting.
[18:55] A few of them gave a little ride.
[19:06] must defend this president.
[19:10] I reached out and I said, yeah, Christ, they should never defend the tank, tank, tank, tank, tank, tank.
[19:18] No, let's really, let's really hit the tank.
[19:19] The thing, you know, what if it's lying out and made that believe?
[19:22] Yeah.
[19:39] I'll be pushing, shaking their damn heads and farting around with them.
[19:46] It'll take an hour and a half to two hours.
[19:50] No, 300.
[19:51] 50, 100, 150.
[19:54] All the hangers on.
[19:55] You got to fill up one seat for dinner and then come back.
[20:19] It's a quiet Tuesday night.
[20:21] I don't think you were going to chant David.
[20:28] No?
[20:28] Very good.
[20:28] What do you think?
[20:32] You can talk better than David.
[20:49] And I'll be there.
[20:51] Tuesday afternoon.
[20:52] What is the game plan in terms of what we do?
[20:59] Like I say, it's worked out.
[21:01] It's true.
[21:03] I will respond.
[21:08] We've got to review it now.
[21:10] Yes.
[21:12] And deal with these things.
[21:24] You see these committees, and I want to show you how important it is to win the Congress.
[21:30] To win the Congress, you need to control those committees.
[21:36] Investigate.
[21:38] Anyone know we can rush out and investigate some of that and have some, you know, stir up some stuff?
[21:42] We could, yes, but we haven't done any stuff.
[21:43] I bet you competent people wouldn't be anybody that could take and stir up that.
[22:18] Yeah.
[22:19] Yeah.
[23:10] Well, all right.
[23:11] Oh, yes.
[23:12] I think it's because they've got them.
[23:14] The Jews, the evangelicals, and I heard the Jews are coming.
[23:18] I don't know if you can do it.
[23:23] No, it's part of John's reason.
[23:25] We had had an open and present all day.
[23:28] We lay out there.
[23:30] We lay out there.
[23:34] He had it.
[23:44] The story of the guy with the champagne beer, the story of the Italian wedding, the little black girl with her, the little black lady with her picnic.
[24:04] Those three came through, and all the stories came through, and the wedding thing was just spectacular on the radio.
[24:17] the check to the college.
[24:21] And this morning, saying, the coverage up there is just very well expected.
[24:30] It's unbelievable.
[24:31] He's just ecstatic that he says, now we've been hammering away.
[24:36] This is the breakthrough.
[24:38] Now we can really capitalize on all this stuff.
[24:43] And interestingly enough, which surprised me, the press
[24:46] pretty generally played as Nixon returns to the devastated area in Elk Grove.
[24:52] In other words, where I thought we weren't getting any credit for that first trip at all.
[25:00] But his play is a return.
[25:03] And Schaaf has helped, I think, because he's blasted you for coming in without notifying the governor.
[25:21] You went in and did something about it.
[25:27] He screwed around, and he's come out looking like a pretty cheap political candidate, trying to play his things, I think.
[25:39] Your point is, in making a schedule, the water getting in is this weak.
[25:46] I've got to ask John.