{"conversationCode":"774-014","tapeNumber":774,"conversationNumber":14,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-774-014","startDateTime":"1972-09-11T15:40:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1972-09-11T16:02:00.000Z","startDate":"11-Sep-1972","startTime":"11:40 AM","endDate":"11-Sep-1972","endTime":"12:02 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Woods, Rose Mary; Bull, Stephen B.;","description":"On September 11, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon, Rose Mary Woods, and Stephen B. Bull met in the Oval Office of the White House from 11:40 am to 12:02 pm. 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Shultz\n           -Dollar bills\n                -Years of the President's election campaigns\n\n        Appointment and personnel management\n          -Unknown man\n          -Unknown woman\n               -The President's view\n          -William L. Taub [?]\n               -Work\n                   -The President's view\n                   -Richard A. Moore\n          -Gifts\n               -John A. Mulcahy\n          -Thelma C. (\"Pat\") Nixon\n               -The President's view\n\n        Ceremonial visits to the Oval Office\n              -Presidential gifts\n              -Unknown people\n              -Watches\n              -Ashtrays\n\n                  -Dwight D. Eisenhower coin\n\nStephen B. Bull entered at an unknown time before 12:02 pm.\n\n          The President's schedule\n             -Joseph T. De Silva\n             -James R. Mann\n\nBull and Woods left at 12:02 pm.","filename":["774-014.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. 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now."},{"start":203.75,"end":204.91,"text":"But you don't need anybody to do it."},{"start":204.93,"end":205.74,"text":"I have an insurance there."},{"start":205.85,"end":206.59,"text":"I'm going to get one of them."},{"start":206.62,"end":207.14,"text":"I'm going to do that."},{"start":207.2,"end":208.92,"text":"I'm going to do this."},{"start":208.94,"end":209.9,"text":"I'm going to do that."},{"start":209.94,"end":215.38,"text":"I'm going to do that."},{"start":215.42,"end":216.16,"text":"I'm going to do that."},{"start":221.58,"end":221.84,"text":"I agree."},{"start":221.86,"end":222,"text":"I agree."},{"start":223.38,"end":224.63,"text":"There are a lot of things."},{"start":231.51,"end":232.51,"text":"I don't know."},{"start":232.53,"end":233.45,"text":"He didn't need stuff."},{"start":233.47,"end":235.09,"text":"A water deal that occurred."},{"start":235.11,"end":235.81,"text":"A water deal."},{"start":235.83,"end":236.55,"text":"A building block deal."},{"start":236.57,"end":239.11,"text":"I don't agree with that."},{"start":239.13,"end":240.67,"text":"A housing deal."},{"start":240.69,"end":246.01,"text":"Every time you hear on some of the deals, and they all come in, it's just not your fault."},{"start":246.12,"end":248.24,"text":"You shouldn't keep anything on them."},{"start":249.88,"end":252.24,"text":"I mean, because they never know."},{"start":252.26,"end":254.28,"text":"Well, you just never know when he's going to be right."},{"start":254.36,"end":254.72,"text":"Then he'll stop."},{"start":254.84,"end":255.38,"text":"That's right."},{"start":255.42,"end":256.22,"text":"That's right."},{"start":256.94,"end":257.42,"text":"That's right."},{"start":261.21,"end":266.9,"text":"And that's, that's all they've got this time, these stupid antics of other people."},{"start":267.54,"end":268.72,"text":"And I just like to hear them."},{"start":269.06,"end":278.02,"text":"It just can't help it."},{"start":281.6,"end":283.1,"text":"The cat is nice, that boy."},{"start":283.52,"end":285.12,"text":"Her husband's a nice boy."},{"start":285.82,"end":286.4,"text":"What happened?"},{"start":286.52,"end":288.75,"text":"Is his sperm dissolved or something?"},{"start":288.79,"end":289.31,"text":"He lost his job."},{"start":305.1,"end":308.22,"text":"Well, I know Dick Moore called me a long time ago and said the boy wanted a job."},{"start":308.3,"end":313.04,"text":"He said, I don't think you should do anything for him here."},{"start":313.1,"end":313.74,"text":"And I said, no."},{"start":314.5,"end":316.85,"text":"Because I did it because of that husband of mine."},{"start":317.67,"end":318.12,"text":"Oh, Christ."},{"start":318.64,"end":321.23,"text":"You just can't have rain in that house."},{"start":321.47,"end":322.21,"text":"Rain in that house."},{"start":322.37,"end":323.31,"text":"Rain in that house."},{"start":324.35,"end":330.75,"text":"uh it's just a little bit and of course that's the irish"},{"start":354.28,"end":357.7,"text":"You know, I mean, you could go to dinner or something with them."},{"start":357.74,"end":359.02,"text":"And I can't blame the kids."},{"start":359.04,"end":360.3,"text":"She's seen this all along."},{"start":361.4,"end":372.95,"text":"But the thing to do is not to put her in a position to be able to hurt her."},{"start":374.89,"end":381.8,"text":"But I just think what you do with those young kids is try to keep them out of the position of being able to do it."},{"start":381.88,"end":383.42,"text":"So you don't bring them back and put them"},{"start":385.3,"end":389.88,"text":"and in the path of all the promoters who are around to talk a big game."},{"start":392.22,"end":400.81,"text":"Because a lot of people haven't been given the character to know the difference, or something, of promoters and others."},{"start":406.81,"end":408.07,"text":"Your kids have, because they"},{"start":419.67,"end":423.59,"text":"I'm not sure I remember that one."},{"start":423.87,"end":425.39,"text":"Oh, yeah, yeah."},{"start":425.57,"end":427.71,"text":"She's older."},{"start":427.95,"end":431.32,"text":"That's a good question."},{"start":431.54,"end":433.12,"text":"I don't know."},{"start":433.2,"end":435.58,"text":"I don't know."},{"start":435.72,"end":436.2,"text":"I don't know."},{"start":436.42,"end":437.04,"text":"I don't know."},{"start":437.1,"end":437.52,"text":"I don't know."},{"start":437.64,"end":438.34,"text":"I don't know."},{"start":438.44,"end":442.38,"text":"I don't know."},{"start":442.4,"end":443.12,"text":"I don't know."},{"start":443.2,"end":443.82,"text":"I don't know."},{"start":443.88,"end":446.6,"text":"I don't know."},{"start":447.54,"end":448.1,"text":"I don't know."},{"start":448.12,"end":448.52,"text":"I don't know."},{"start":448.58,"end":449.26,"text":"I don't know."},{"start":455.42,"end":458.3,"text":"We've got to do something more than we've ever done before."},{"start":458.34,"end":458.92,"text":"We haven't done it."},{"start":458.96,"end":460.86,"text":"We've got to give it a first try."},{"start":461.66,"end":461.92,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":463.24,"end":467.49,"text":"But there was a new thing that came out."},{"start":467.5,"end":468.11,"text":"See, they're proud."},{"start":468.15,"end":468.33,"text":"Watches."},{"start":468.39,"end":469.29,"text":"We've given watches."},{"start":469.33,"end":471.69,"text":"We've given them some watches."},{"start":471.77,"end":473.79,"text":"Watches, ashtrays, those eyes on our dollars."},{"start":474.15,"end":475.87,"text":"We haven't given them the watches."},{"start":484.66,"end":488.85,"text":"I think what I would feel proud to do is send out boxes."},{"start":521.11,"end":522.02,"text":"Congressman here."},{"start":522.54,"end":522.85,"text":"Yes, sir."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon, Rose Mary Woods, and Stephen B. 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