{"conversationCode":"774-019","tapeNumber":774,"conversationNumber":19,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-774-019","startDateTime":"1972-09-11T16:25:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1972-09-11T16:29:00.000Z","startDate":"11-Sep-1972","startTime":"12:25 PM","endDate":"11-Sep-1972","endTime":"12:29 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Sanson, Joseph N.; Rhatican, William F.; Bull, Stephen B.; White House photographer;","description":"On September 11, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon, Joseph N. Sanson, William F. Rhatican, Stephen B. Bull, and White House photographer met in the Oval Office of the White House from 12:25 pm to 12:29 pm. 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Bull and the White House photographer were present at the beginning of the\nmeeting.]\n\n        American Veterans of World War II, Korea, and Vietnam [AMVETS]\n           -The President's support\n           -Background\n\n        Presentation to the President\n\n        Sanson\n            -Background\n\n        Baseball\n            -Detroit Tigers\n                 -Mickey Lolich's previous meeting with the President\n            -Boston Red Sox\n\n                                          (rev. Oct-06)\n\n         The President's policies\n             -AMVETS support\n                  -Vietnam, defense, amnesty\n                  -Jane Fonda, W. Ramsey Clark\n             -George S. McGovern\n             -Vietnam\n             -Business people\n             -Supporters\n                  -Veterans, Labor\n\n         Presentation of gifts by the President\n\n         AMVETS\n            -The President's possible attendance at dinner, convention\n                -Veterans of Foreign Wars [VFW]\n\nSanson et al. left at 12:29 pm.","filename":["774-019.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Sanson, Joseph N.","Rhatican, William F.","Bull, Stephen B.","White House photographer"],"prevCode":"774-018","nextCode":"774-020","transcript":[{"start":3.53,"end":4.01,"text":"How are you?"},{"start":4.03,"end":5.29,"text":"Good to see you."},{"start":5.85,"end":6.75,"text":"Congratulations."},{"start":8.84,"end":11.58,"text":"Well, we always want to receive"},{"start":76.34,"end":83.2,"text":"I had a problem this year, but I mentioned it was him."},{"start":83.42,"end":89.53,"text":"I had to talk to him."},{"start":89.78,"end":94.39,"text":"I said, all right, let's go here."},{"start":109.6,"end":110.84,"text":"Oh, listen, that's what I meant."},{"start":111.28,"end":118.44,"text":"Vietnam administered all the way, and that's all that really happened."},{"start":119.84,"end":122.76,"text":"Oh, absolutely."},{"start":122.96,"end":124,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":162.79,"end":164.47,"text":"sequence on the other side as we have to get in."},{"start":165.75,"end":169.94,"text":"Always the veterans, and frankly labor leaders, want to come in and stand firm."},{"start":170.88,"end":171.28,"text":"You know?"},{"start":172.12,"end":173.34,"text":"And that's what I appreciate."},{"start":173.36,"end":174.98,"text":"So we're very pleased with your position."},{"start":175,"end":183.8,"text":"I think the exit of the reservation is in the image."},{"start":183.82,"end":186.85,"text":"Well, now you've got a little present, too, from the hostesses today."},{"start":186.91,"end":187.89,"text":"Not much of it."},{"start":188.53,"end":189.27,"text":"That's the presidential seat."},{"start":189.29,"end":190.61,"text":"I'm going to compliment you a little."},{"start":208.7,"end":212.67,"text":"You always have."},{"start":213.05,"end":213.33,"text":"Great."},{"start":236.82,"end":237.5,"text":"Thank you very much."},{"start":237.52,"end":238.59,"text":"Oh, that's so good."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon met with AMVETS representatives Joseph N. Sanson and William F. Rhatican to discuss his administration's policies regarding the Vietnam War, national defense, and amnesty. The dialogue emphasized the President's alignment with veterans' groups and labor leaders against the positions held by George McGovern and figures like Jane Fonda. The meeting concluded with a gift presentation and a brief discussion regarding potential future appearances by the President at veterans' events.","topics":["AMVETS","Vietnam War","Nixon administration","Amnesty","George McGovern","Veterans affairs"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-07T23:21:25.244Z"},"topicSlugs":["amvets","vietnam-war","nixon-administration","amnesty","george-mcgovern","veterans-affairs"],"audioDurationSec":245,"audioFiles":[{"file":"774-019.mp3","bytes":5889461,"durationSec":245.33,"bitrate":192047,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:19:57.945Z","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/774-019.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/774-019","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/774/conversation-774-019","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). AI-generated fields (transcript, aiSummary) are provided as-is without warranty."}