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Start Date: 12-Sep-1972 12:28 PM

End Date: 12-Sep-1972 1:15 PM

Participants:

Nixon, Richard M. (President)Hickel, Walter J.White House photographerMacGregor, ClarkEhrlichman, John D.

Recording Device: Oval Office

775-011.mp3

NARA Description:

On September 12, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon, Walter J. Hickel, White House photographer, Clark MacGregor, and John D. Ehrlichman met in the Oval Office of the White House from 12:28 pm to 1:15 pm. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 775-011 of the White House Tapes.

Nixon Library Finding Aid:

Conversation No. 775-11

Date: September 12, 1972
Time: 12:28 pm - 1:15 pm
Location: Oval Office

The President met with Walter J. Hickel.

[The White House photographer and members of the press were present at the beginning of the
meeting.]

             Greetings

             Refreshments
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            Photograph
                -John D. Ehrlichman's and Clark MacGregor's schedule

            The President's wardrobe
                -The President’s trip to the Soviet Union
                -James H. Duff

            Duff

            Herman Welker
               -Arrival in Senate with the President in 1950

            Harry S. Truman

            Carey Estes Kefauver

            Hickel's schedule
                -Arrival at White House
                     -Northwestern air strike

MacGregor and Ehrlichman entered at 12:31 pm.

            [General conversation]

            1972 Presidential campaign
                -Contributions
                    -MacGregor
                    -Don S. Hewitt
                -George S. McGovern policies
                    -Businessmen
                -Hickel
                    -Visits through US
                        -Tone of feeling in US
                    -Domestic situation
                        -Hickel’s views
                              -Retired persons
                              -Financial community
                              -Industrialists
                              -Vietnam War as a factor
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                  -Possible mandate
                      -Effect on America
                      -Unemployment
                           -Compared to Depression era
                           -Factors
                           -Department of Health, Education, and Welfare [HEW]
                           -Department of Housing and Urban Development [HUD]
                           -Department of Transportation
                           -Department of Interior
                  -Foreign policy
                      -Public opinion
                           -Hickel’s travels
                               -South
                               -University of San Diego
                           -The People's Republic of China [PRC]
                           -Soviet Union
                           -Vietnam War
                           -Domestic concerns


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BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 1
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[Duration: 18m 53s    ]


END WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 1

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              -Hickel’s travels
                  -Questions and answers
                       -Audience response
                       -Inflation
                       -Unemployment
                       -Taxes
                       -Foreign policy
                            -Vietnam
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              -PRC
              -Soviet Union
              -Middle East
     -Preview of issues
         -The President's administration
         -Positive actions
              -Productivity
              -Rise in Gross National Product [GNP]
              -Decrease in unemployment
              -Earnings on rise
              -Georgia
                    -Mass transit
-Issues
     -Revenue sharing
     -Welfare reform
     -Environment protection
     -Transportation
     -Housing
     -Government reorganization
     -Congressional support
         -Need for mandate
         -Effect on Presidential actions
              -Domestic proposals
                    -Compared to foreign policy
              -Administrative reorganization
     -Department of Transportation
         -Highway Trust Fund
              -Congressional support
-The President's State of the Union Address in 1971
     -Policies of reform
         -Congressional response
              -McGovern’s allies
         -Governmental responsiveness
              -Positive effect of reforms
                    -Welfare reform
                    -Executive reorganization
                    -Revenue sharing
                    -Initiative on health services
     -Publicity
         -Colleges
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              -Cities


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BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 2
[Personal returnable]
[Duration: 1m 12s     ]


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          The President's administration in review
              -Gains in foreign policy
                  -Arms control
                  -Environmental control, health
                       -Soviet Union
              -Domestic policy
                  -Continued Congress support
                       -New Congress initiative
                       -Transportation
                       -Urban development
              -Support from American people
                  -Changes in economic America
                       -Transportation
                       -Urban development
                            -Present compared to future
                            -Eric Hoffer
                            -Hickel’s view
                            -Transportation problems
                                 -John A. Volpe
                       -Vietnam War
                            -Hickel’s view
                       -Domestic policies
                       -Cities as new monument
              -Transporation
                  -Washington, DC
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            -Subway system
            -The President’s policies
                 -Support from residents
        -Hickel's talk with John C. Whitaker
            -Composite transportation system
        -New opportunities compared to 1950s
            -Anti-trust laws
            -Deregulation in system
                 -Railroads
                      -International Brotherhood of Teamsters
                 -New laws
                      -Congress action
            -Government regulations
                 -Need for improvement

Foreign policy
    -Hickel
        -Arctic
        -Soviet Union
        -PRC
             -Possible visits
                 -The President’s view
    -Dean Rusk, Stewart Udall, Luther Hodges
        -1961 trip to the Soviet Union
    -Japan and Siberia
    -Indonesia
        -Singapore
        -Hong Kong
        -Mediation between US and PRC
        -Hong Kong
        -Malaysia
        -Singapore
        -Hickel’s view
             -Natural resources
        -Admiral Padown (?)
             -Source of resources
    -Japan
        -Exports from Alaska
        -Canada
        -Soviet Union
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                           -Sea of Japan
                           -Vladivostock
                 -Japanese technology
                     -Singapore and Hong Kong
                     -Human resources
                 -Indonesia
                 -Article in Readers' Digest written by Hickel
                     -Request by Hobart D. (“Hobe”) Lewis
                           -Bob R. O’Brien
                           -Alaska
                               -Importance

            Presentation of Presidential gifts
                -Janice (Cannon) Hickel
                     -Peking
                -Watch

Hickel, McGregor and Ehrlichman left at 1:15 pm.