Conversation 776-008

On September 14, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon, John D. Ehrlichman, Nelson A. Rockefeller, Stephen B. Bull, Thelma C. ("Pat") (Ryan) Nixon, Rogers C. B. Morton, John C. Whitaker, and White House photographer met in the Oval Office of the White House from 9:57 am to 11:23 am. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 776-008 of the White House Tapes.

Conversation No. 776-8

Date: September 14, 1972
Time: 9:57 am - 11:23 am
Location: Oval Office

The President met with John D. Ehrlichman.

             Greetings

             National Aeronautics and Space Administration [NASA] space shuttle contract
                 -Forthcoming meeting with Nelson A. Rockefeller
                 -Grumman Corporation
                      -Contract allotment
                 -North American Rockwell Corporation
                 -McDonnell Douglas
                 -Announcement time
                      -Rockefeller
                      -Office of Management and Budget [OMB]

             Revenue sharing
                -Rockefeller's stance
                -Status of bill in Congress
                     -Senate allocation revisions
                          -New York's share
                     -Amendment to limit social services
                          -New York's interest
                -New York politics
                     -Meeting in Florida between the President and Rockefeller
                     -Future state legislation
                          -Promise of White House aid
                -Rockefeller's schedule
                     -New York
                     -St. Louis
                     -Allocation formula on revenue sharing
                     -Possible photograph
                     -Ronald L. Ziegler

Rockefeller entered at 10:03 am.

                           (rev. Oct-06)

Greetings
    -St. Louis trip
         -Christopher S. (“Kit”) Bond

Revenue sharing bill
   -Rockefeller’s role
   -Camp David
   -Conference Committee in Congress
       -Administration actions
            -Ehrlichman
       -Support
   -Proposal for meeting
       -Nation's leaders
            -Governors
            -Major city mayors
                 -John V. Lindsay
       -County officals
            -East Room
       -Signing ceremony
       -Logistics for meeting
            -Proposed dates
       -Wilbur D. Mills
            -Ways and Means Committee
       -Russell B. Long
       -Aid for bill
            -Hugh L. Carey
            -Barber B. Conable
       -Bipartisan nature of guest list
            -Number of attendees
   -Formula
       -New York
   -Amendments for bill
       -Revision of New York's share
            -Rockefeller's staff
                 -Lobbying efforts
       -Social service restriction
            -Effect on New York
            -Mills
            -Expanded ceiling
                 -Aid to big states
                 -Arkansas

                         (rev. Oct-06)

   -White House stand on bill
   -Proposed revisions
       -Options for states
            -Long plan
            -Mills plan
            -James Cannon
                -Proposed changes
       -Growth money
            -Available budget money
       -Dual formulas
            -Industrial states
            -Rural states
       -Mills
            -Possibility of passage
       -Treasury Department
       -Conflict among states
            -Income tax
            -Distribution
            -Rockefeller’s future meeting with Ehrlichman
       -Herman T. Schneebeli
            -Pennsylvania
            -Support for revision
                -Mills
   -Ceiling on budget
       -Cannon
       -White House position
            -Effect on social programs
            -Political effect
                -Democrats' reaction
                      -Senate actions

Budget ceiling
   -New York's position

White House domestic policy
   -Benefits to New York
   -Ehrlichman's aid
       -State bankruptcy
       -Lindsay
       -Treasury Department
   -Budget
       -George P. Shultz

                          (rev. Oct-06)

The President's Administration
    -Aid to New York state
        -Dwight D. Eisenhower
        -John F. Kennedy
        -Lyndon B. Johnson

Rockefeller governership
   -Time in office
   -1958 election
   -Fourth term
        -John A. Love
   -California
        -Demographics
   -New York City
        -Democratic support
   -Thomas E. Dewey
   -Whitman Knapp Commission
        -Criminal justice system
        -Rockefeller action
             -District attorneys
        -Administration's aid
             -Law Enforcement Assistance Administration [LEAA]

Law enforcement
   -Washington, D.C.
        -The President’s view
             -Tourism
        -New York City
             -Police department
                 -Lindsay
             -Egil G. ("Bud") Krogh, Jr.
   -Crime rate
        -Democrats' position
        -Ernst and Ernst Accounting firm
             -Audit
   -Washington, D.C.
        -Crime rate
             -Effect on tourists
             -Madison Hotel
   -District Attorney investigations
        -Police department

                                   (rev. Oct-06)

              -Dewey
              -New York state plan
                 -Rockefeller efforts
                     -Maurice Nadtari
                          -Experience
                               -Owens [?] [first name unknown]
                               -Suffolk County
                          -Appointment
                          -Effect
                               -Police force
                               -District Attorney's office
                               -Judges
                 -Criminal justice investigation
                 -Corruption in goverment
                     -Knapp Commission
                     -White House aid
                 -Lindsay

          NASA contract
             -North American Rockwell announcement
                 -Sub-contracts
                 -Grumman
                      -Engineering
             -Logistics of announcement
                 -Congress position
                 -Timing
             -Future Rockefeller briefing
                 -Cannon
                 -Krogh
                 -Ehrlichman
             -NASA
                 -Budget
                 -McDonnell Douglas
                 -Grumman
                      -OMB recommendation
                      -Krogh
                      -New York politics
             -North American Rockwell
                 -Long Island's economic interest

*****************************************************************

                                    (rev. Oct-06)

BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 1
[Personal returnable]
[Duration: 15m 36s    ]

END WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 1

*****************************************************************

          Watergate
             -Rockefeller
                  -Television appearance
             -Upcoming indictments
             -Democratic National Committee
             -Maurice H. Stans
             -John N. Mitchell
             -Public opinion
             -1968 Nixon campaign plane
                  -J. Edgar Hoover
                       -Johnson
                  -Dirty tricks
                  -Vietnam war
             -Federal Bureau of Investigation [FBI]
                  -W. Ramsey Clark
                  -Pierre Salinger
                  -George S. McGovern
             -1968 campaign
                  -FBI
                  -Johnson
                       -Telephones to state governors
                       -James B. ("Scotty") Reston
                       -Mitchell’s recent conversation with the President
                       -Reston’s meeting with Rockefeller
                            -Republican National Convention in Miami, 1968
                                -Rockefeller
                                -Ronald W. Reagan
             -Pentagon Papers
                  -National security
                  -Leaks
                       -India-Pakistan conflict

                           (rev. Oct-06)

Administration’s plans for second term
   -The President’s call to Rockefeller
   -Dewey
        -Stewart J.O. Alsop
   -Formulation of new programs
        -Ehrlichman
        -State of Union address
        -International activities, November 1972
   -Domestic Council staff
        -Kenneth R. Cole, Jr.
        -State of Union address
        -Revenue sharing
        -Government reorganization
        -Environment
        -Housing
             -Need for change
        -Urban transportation
             -Use of highway funds
   -Domestic emphasis
   -Administration's international accomplishments
   -First term accomplishments
        -The President’s recent meeting with Congressional leaders
        -Reorganization of Post Office and Cabinet
        -Environmental laws
        -Revenue sharing
        -Public perception
             -International policies
   -[Thomas] Woodrow Wilson
   -Harry S. Truman
        -Greek-Turkish aid plan
        -George C. Marshall Plan
   -The President
        -Arms control
        -Congress
             -Initiative by the President

Domestic issues
   -Executive-legislative relations
   -New Majority
       -Legislative implications
       -New Republican majority

                           (rev. Oct-06)

            -Robert J. Dole
            -Allied Democrats
            -Need for electoral mandate
    -Need for supportive Congress
        -Johnson
        -1956 election
        -Kennedy
        -1968 election
        -Effect on second term
        -Franklin D. Roosevelt's first hundred days
    -US Bicentennial celebration
        -Foundation for future

Re-organization of Federal Government
    -Eisenhower's efforts
    -Rapid changes
    -Need for changes
    -Regulatory agencies
        -Interstate Commerce Commission [ICC]
             -Railroads
                  -Trucking companies, shipping yards
             -Anti-trust laws

Agriculture

US energy issues
    -Rockefeller’s view
    -The President’s view
         -Laurance S. Rockefeller
    -Nuclear fuel
         -Delays in reactor openings
         -Con-Edison Power Company
    -Oil companies
         -Lack of capital for 1980 goals
              -New York Times article
         -Oil depletion allowance
    -Natural gas
         -Lack of incentive
         -Prices
         -Robert S. Kerr-Mills bill
              -The President’s vote
    -Free enterprise system

                                          (rev. Oct-06)

                     -Government's role
                          -Lack of fuel
                 -Arab countries
                     -Oil resources
                     -Added revenues
                          -Use
                     -Cooperative efforts

             Role of Federal Government
                 -Restructuring of regulatory functions
                 -Reappraisal of tax structure
                      -Mills
                 -Role of states in US
                      -Possible study
                 -Congress' role
                      -Rockefeller’s view
                      -John B. Connally’s view
                      -Cannon
                 -Proposed Congressional commission
                      -Future plans
                      -Environmental issue
                 -Paper
                      -Illustrations
                      -Energy issue
                      -Housing

Stephen B. Bull entered at an unknown time after 10:03 am.

             The President’s schedule
                 -Rogers C.B. Morton

Bull left at an unknown time before 11:01 am.

             Government reorganization
                -1972 election
                -Inaugural address, 1973

Manolo Sanchez entered at an unknown time after 10:03 am.

             The President’s schedule

Sanchez left at an unknown time before 11:01 am.

                                        (rev. Oct-06)

                 -New direction for youth
                 -Vietnam war
                 -Need for new governmental framework
                     -Opposing factions

Thelma C. (“Pat”) Nixon entered at 11:01 am.

             Greetings

             Possible speech
                 -Social services

Morton and John C. Whitaker entered at 11:02 am.

[Members of the press and the White House photographer were present at the beginning of this
meeting.]

             Greetings

             Yellowstone National Park
                 -One hundredth anniversary

             Mrs. Nixon’s schedule
                 -Dedication of highway
                 -Yellowstone

             Rockefeller proposals
                -California

Ehrlichman and Rockefeller left at 11:02 am.

             Morton's discussion with Johnson
                -Claudia A. (Taylor) (“Lady Bird”) Johnson
                -Johnson's health

             [Photograph session]
                 -[General conversation]

             National parks centennial
                 -Morton’s press briefing

                                        (rev. Oct-06)

                     -Public interest
                 -Park use
                     -Monthly visitations
                     -Increase in visitors
                     -New visitors
                          -Tour of park system
                          -Yellowstone
                          -Tetons
                          -Rocky Mountains
                          -The President's visit to Grand Tetons
                          -Grand Canyon
                          -Morton's role as Secretary of the Interior
                              -Teton National Park
                                   -Snake River overlook
                                   -Child from Detroit
                 -Public land
                     -Protectiveness of nation
                          -Alaska
                     -The President's park program
                          -Effect on public

            National parks situation
                -Energy issue
                -Mrs. Nixon schedule
                     -Yellowstone trip
                         -Apparel
                              -Anne Morton
                                   -Message
                                   -Schedule
                              -Trip to the People's Republic of China [PRC]

Sanchez entered at an unknown time after 11:02 am.

            [General conversation]
                -Dogs
                    -Vicky
                    -Dog house
                    -Gift

Sanchez left at an unknown time before 11:23 am.

            Park Service discussion

                      (rev. Oct-06)

-Mrs. Nixon’s role
     -President’s representative
-Domestic Conference Panel
     -Congress participation
     -White Paper study
-International aspects
     -Stockholm convention
     -Heritage trust around the world
     -Technical services
          -Offer to all nations
     -Mrs. Nixon's role
     -Americans abroad
     -Mrs. Nixon's speech before conference
          -Morton's birthday
          -Crowds
               -Western states
                    -Montana
                    -Wyoming
                    -Idaho
                    -North and South Dakota
                    -Colorado
-World Conference on Parks
-History of National Parks Service
     -Preservation of land
     -Ulysses S. Grant
          -First park bill
-Environmentalists' impact
-Universal use of park
-Charles A. Lindbergh
     -Core of untouched parks
-Wilderness areas
     -Need for facilities
     -Family attractions
     -Backpackers
-Yosemite
     -Buses
-Anne Morton's schedule
     -Campfires for backpackers
     -Flamingo Park
          -Miami
     -Tour of Mount McKinley
          -Yosemite

                           (rev. Oct-06)

            -Youth
                 -Support for the President
    -Mrs. Nixon's schedule
        -Two-day tour
        -New Jersey
        -New York
    -Morton's schedule
        -Shakerstown, Kentucky
        -Louis B. Nunn
        -Dedication ceremony
    -National Parks
        -Effect on public
        -Future use

Park Services
    -Defeat of Wayne N. Aspinall in election
        -Redistricting
        -Aspinall’s age
        -Urbanization of West
    -Urbanization of West
        -Western ethic
        -New demographics
             -Sheep herders, ranchers
    -Gordon Allot
        -Denver
        -Greeley, Colorado
        -Floyd Haskell
    -1976 Olympic Games funding vote
        -Denver
        -Colorado
        -Aspinall
        -Administration's policy
        -Love
        -Munich games
        -Environmentalism
        -Love
    -National Land Use Policy Act
    -Organic bill for public land
        -Failure of passage

Congress
   -Age

                                          (rev. Oct-06)

                       -The President’s view
                  -Strom Thurmond
                  -John J. Sparkman
                       -Age
                       -Winton M. (“Red”) Blount
                  -John L. McClellan
                  -Allen J. Ellender
                  -Judges
                  -Mandatory retirement bill
                       -John B. Williams
                       -Industry
                  -Supreme Court
                       -Lewis F. Powell

             Parting remarks
                  -Rockefeller story
                      -Thomas F. Eagleton
                      -Edward M. Kennedy

Mrs. Nixon et al. left at 11:23 am.

This transcript was generated automatically by AI and has not been reviewed for accuracy. Do not cite this transcript as authoritative. Consult the Finding Aid above for verified information.

Oh, let me tell you this.
I don't know if you know anything.
This right here is a drinking water game thing.
You probably know.
I mean, that's all there is on it.
You know, there's one of those goddamn things.
There's a bunch of kids that are not drinking water.
So here's what happens.
Here's what happens.
Well, maybe I'm better off not to know.
Because I was asked on television yesterday whether or not I had been told not to talk.
And I said, look, I've never talked to anybody.
Well, I'm not.
But that is what we're going to have to say tomorrow.
Well, it's iffy, uh, that's the, that's the... Well, let me just pull up an argument.
Well, I'm, I'm not going to jump in with you, Dan.
The second thing was way confident from the fact that, uh, that no, no one in a highway could have done this.
If we didn't, we wouldn't have been able to do this.
Why didn't we have the National Committee?
Well, of course, that's what everybody else wanted, but, you know, it's not.
You know, that's the way it is.
The United States will come down and they will follow all the floor issue on people, that's for sure.
Well, I, I have...
I'd like you to know, I don't want you to deal with Maury's name.
You know, Maury's name is impassable, or John's name is dumb, and he's your friend.
John, you're a little too, too dumb.
I, I, I just...
So there you go.
I just... Don't worry about it.
Well, I have, I don't want to do anything to you.
You know, people, it doesn't affect a man's life, or...
You know the man who died?
I can't make money with love.
I'm a man of God.
This guy lives, forget it.
Anyway, it was done.
And we had some feelings as well.
But it was, it was done under the, under the cover, under the cover that he had no focus on what we were going to say on Vietnam.
Because he was a good guy, a good man.
The vote we had against him, both of the presidents, I couldn't agree more.
I could have the FBI bug Randy Clark, so I'll tell them you're Dan McDonough, right?
Because they're talking to the enemy.
And can you imagine?
I was a candidate for president for two weeks at this point, but can we just tell a lot of other things other than Vietnam?
But that was a buy in the SD, huh?
Quick, throw that to me, sir.
The guy who loved this stuff, he's always made these reports, and I have to believe him.
But if I don't guess, I believe it's because he put it on our offices and stuff.
Is it all real?
Well, he did it.
And that's how he left me, you think so?
Oh, go on.
I'll be damned.
I don't mind.
I don't accept it, Rob.
Jesus.
Well, forget this, sir.
I don't know about that.
We know that the jury's going to make him go to the election.
But the guy he had, he had just, you know, looked at me and said, you know, there's a lot of stuff going on, and so what, I just want to check with you.
He said, is it true that you're, you know, whatever my name is, but, uh, that she ain't a nice woman to me?
If it is, at least I'm not going to believe it, but I said, I am.
You know, he said, well, I don't know what that one was, but, uh,
The problem that we have, actually, the problem that we have is that we're dependent on the neighbors and all the rents.
I'm afraid that we, of course, have to do some investigations and actual security.
But when you really come to the top people,
They don't have any factors that get on the media.
I mean, that's why you shouldn't make stuff.
You can't.
You're the country.
You're a real problem.
Now, on this, on the other hand, like, when we were trying to find out that they should get back to that stuff, like, we went all out.
Except we didn't find the question.
We had to go after the question.
You've got some money.
Well, I... Well, let me say this.
Let me say this.
Well, nevertheless, we don't want to work here.
Okay.
Sure.
As a matter of fact, John
and the task force to keep working on that.
These are people that are hatched that cannot do anything in the political field, so that when we get through November 7th, we'll be ready to develop our state agenda for the rest.
And so I've got people to sign off on that.
But there's likely to be national and international contacts.
I assume that the reason I mentioned that to you is that you've done, you know, what you're, what you're very good at, too.
You've done so much, you know, for creating this dynamic.
You've done so much for the show, for the show, for the show, for the show.
You know, that is perhaps what made me take a look at it.
Well, what I mean, what did you have in mind?
You know, John, what did you remember, John?
I literally said, I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
And they are the same group that worked on that decision.
And when we work with the residents, we have the organization.
Well, the environment, we talk about housing.
Now, we're convinced that this stuff got to be a total rematch.
Oh, it's a mess.
I mean, another thing that's on my mind is, I mean, that's another one of the other ones we don't do is transportation.
That's right.
Transportation.
I mean, speaking of urban transportation, it's one hell of a mess.
We don't know what the answer is.
You know, if we could put more money, maybe we'd have to come up with a highway fund, you know.
Well, but there are things like that that I don't want to touch now because they're everybody else's law, but if you've done things on these things, you're equal.
We like it.
We like it.
Well, let me tell you something.
I was excited when you said it because you're talking to your secretary who really revolutionized the whole...
For conceptual thinking in the international, I have to believe that this is what you're going to do in your sector of domestic services is a big deal.
You know, I'll point this out if I can interrupt you, but I made a commitment to the meetings of the leaders and the chance of being debated, and we're here to talk about the election speech, and this is very, very helpful.
The only thing we've done through the last few months is we've reorganized the post office, and we've got a lot of inquiries from the environment,
That's the rule of the president, and we don't finish.
That's the rule of the president, and we don't finish.
That's the rule of the president, and we don't finish.
can move on his own initiative.
And the Congress has to follow, has to follow, very few times.
Wilson is the only president that did it really good.
Thumbs down on a major presidential election, you know.
The Congress will follow the Trumps.
It's like the Congress followed the Trumps on the Great Thirty Shades, the auction plan.
So they followed me on arms control, right?
Now.
And so we had to be very patient before we lost the effort.
But again, I've got to ask you to speak.
The president had proposed in a Congress campaign, set up a roadblock, and he can't do what they think.
We had proposed four good things.
The administration had a revolutionary program, but this Congress was set in advance and obstructed and cut to pieces.
Now, if we can't be new to Georgia, what we want to do is start it.
The problem is we can't turn it off.
uh... uh...
Supposedly went by 53%.
That's the big thing.
We're off.
That's three.
That's two.
That's three.
That's four.
That's four.
That's four.
That's four.
That's four.
That's four.
That's four.
That's four.
That's four.
That's four.
And if we get to Nancy, then that country, the new country, will follow.
Get the money.
Oh, I do.
For six months.
That is when we've got to do our job.
For six months.
That's why I have said this.
That's a hundred days.
And it's exciting.
But it's a very different way.
So that's what I'm talking about.
We're prepared, but we've got to get what we've got.
We've got to get an mandate from the country, and when we get that, then we can propose.
Now, I think we all know we need to have a message.
Yes, I know how strongly we believe in it.
And that is the 200-day version.
And so that really, you've got the mandate as the president of the 200.
You can advance, take a look at our theme here, the total federal system, the structure, the relationship, and have something that tests us through the next one.
We are going to make the exact same thing.
But, um, while generalizing on this, we've got the reorganization of the federal government.
That's small compared to where it is now because the change is so rapid that the federal government now needs to be in the cup, but the whole Fed is dissonant.
Because you're seeing now the true levels of government is we're running out of money.
And on top of that, then we've got to say, I think,
Well, why are we doing something single?
I mean, the message is left over.
There's no longer a link.
It's ready, Tony.
Oh, yeah, I'm having trouble.
I say I need to see the interface.
Dan, where's the thing?
Well, we should get into that railroad, combine the trucking company, combine the credit union, the anti-trust laws are all obsolete.
But every day, there's a special thing that I think is true about the credit law, and it's just no problem.
We have health insurance.
Yeah, there's no solution to the credit problem.
Unless it's a deficit.
This is something that Lawrence...
With oil, it's not enough money to be able to make the investment to produce the amount of fuel necessary for the 1980s or whatever it is.
And yet, what is the big question that's not here to take away all of the question?
Now, this, don't you think?
Well, do you know what I'm talking about?
Right.
Natural gas, same problem.
Artificial oil price, and no incentives in the development.
The whole natural gas industry has a big argument about that.
are here in Kerr, Gadsville, Kerrville, what's it called?
I don't know what it was.
Gadsville.
Not because I was there for a problem.
For Gadsville.
Or Gadsville.
I don't know what to do with them.
So the way we do Gadsville, Mr. President, is look as to what are our objectives.
What is the role of Gadsville?
Is there a role for it?
And if so, what kind of a framework does government create to give the incentives that are in the guidelines for people to play that role in a free society?
And the question probably is, how do we domesticate the law?
Because we're all tied into the internet.
I mean, in other words, we don't have the people here.
And that's a very big question.
What are the United States going to do
positioning $1 million to $20 billion by 5 a.m. Where are we going to stand on that?
If it is, if it is, if it is, if it is, if it is, if it is, if it is, if it is, if it is, if it is,
Thank you very much.
They've got a reason why they want to do this.
I mean, that's right.
But rather than just passing away today, Charlie, tell them when you get to this, we, we do an appraisal of the whole tax structure, which knows that pushing in is not supposed to stop long will come.
Somebody's got to have some ideas.
In the meantime, the rules, they won't put in an event.
Oh, correct.
Now, if somebody don't have a thing, we need to run an extra check.
Is this a deal or a bad deal, Leon?
No, Leon, you're not saying this is.
I've been working on a plan for the state to study the role of the state in a game of design.
I put $500 in the budget.
We'll let it start from that day.
They said it was good that the staff, the Congress leaders, absolutely unbelievable.
The Congress was really amazing.
And they know it for themselves.
Now, Jim Cannon was really proud of it.
They were proud of it.
They were proud of it.
But maybe they set up the Congress with appropriate ideas for it.
I don't know whether I would disagree with him.
Um, well, I mean, I agree with him.
On the way we're going today, I mean, it's not a problem of, you know, to take the time to do the bigger thing.
We've got this, you know, we've got this totally funny position without any knowledge, and that's why people would probably like this solution.
But we don't like this.
We don't know what you can do with it.
We don't like it.
uh so what i'm saying is
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I wouldn't want to, you know, this is just either of y'all's thoughts about any, uh, I don't know, just give, just a short of this, uh, thing, please.
It's so much exciting, isn't it?
It's still a fish.
It's out of the air.
Yeah, he doesn't have any problems.
He's straight around the screen.
And it's probably a good three-mark welder, especially if it wasn't for the mobile.
That's right.
Uh, the one for me, yeah.
Why would you do this?
I don't know why.
I don't see it.
Well, here it is.
Well, I, what I would say is, uh, nothing to do with, uh, the last election.
Yeah.
Uh, if you want.
Yeah, that's right.
Uh, I don't think that's what you think.
But, uh, after the election, you might say that we're going to do something.
Yeah.
I would have to take the fear of the earth, and also the fact that you would have to be trusted with the energy of the earth.
This is the most exciting thing I've ever seen in my life.
What's that thing called?
I don't know.
They would have to recognize that it is the energy of the earth.
And then, uh, how can some of these, which is all very well and very good, which is going to do something, and I will say, well, one of the things I was talking about, and this is the difference, is to get a fundamental, you know, concept, and the role of that is what the government does, and that's who the government does it, and how does it find it.
And I think that, uh,
We could, in this main course, I think, just take the young people of the country and give us a chance to listen.
We have to watch our way, because this is the most exciting moment in the history of the world, and we're going to lead it.
And you've got to roll for every kid that comes into this school.
We're going to play.
That's the greatest emotion and direction.
What we need is a great structural framework.
basically has a lot to say about that because it is, your dad's department has come in and each of them has a little empire and they're fighting houses and fights for it and wants transportation but come on in.
Say hello to Governor Rockwell.
Go ahead, Daddy.
Thank you.
Oh, thank you.
This is a good idea.
Well, Governor and I are going over there.
But, you know, we think, well, I think that's a good idea.
Oh!
Come on in, come on in.
You know, you're going to dedicate the highway to his father.
Is that right?
That's right.
What is that?
That's part of it.
That's part of it.
Yellow Road.
Yellow Road.
Yellow Road.
Thank you a lot.
I like the idea.
I'll see you.
All right.
Thanks.
Good.
Don't take too much of this money.
You've got to save some for Tom.
Well, we've been over here, uh, they wanted to get Mr. President, and I talked before about Powell yesterday, where Mr. President's got some labor, and they are the lightest in the way, and all that.
But, I want to talk as much as I can here on, on, excuse me, on Mr. President.
So, let's say he, you know, he went to the hospital, right, got surgery, and he got married, and that's that.
Okay.
Yeah, I know that's me, but it's not me that I have at all.
I'm not sure if that's right.
I'm trying to say, I don't know.
I'm talking to her.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
Thank you.
Thank you.
I'm sure you're told, but I'm sure I am too.
Well, let me, uh, let's get a little, uh, here's a little reason for it.
Yes, I have a little reason for it.
One of these advances that I have there, I have.
We had 17 million visitations in the month of May.
That's up from about a million and a half over May of last year.
You multiply that out, you're going to have about 100 million visitations in the May of March.
That's what it would be every 150 days.
Oh, sure.
That's the number of visitor days.
We're trying, for us, in expecting the physical services.
I know.
But how many new visitors there are, and how many, uh, how many, the question is, they, they, uh, they, they tour the parks.
They do, it's about a five-park deal.
Yeah.
Both of them.
If they go to the Yellowstone, they go to the, uh,
And then you have a cross on the interstate that will go to Rhineland.
I've never been back to Rhineland.
I've never been back to Rhineland.
And I was standing at the door, and the old kid came up to me, he's the secretary of the jury, and he said, well, I was around here taking care of my land.
He was the trustee.
I said, you see, this is beginning to become public land.
The public is becoming aware of the fact that they own this land, and they're very excited about it.
I said, you better believe it.
I said, this is a very interesting ethic that's growing up in this country.
It really is.
And I think you get a fabulous credit for it.
I think it's just a partnership of people.
And you just, you've got to play it right.
You've got to play along with each other.
You've made your case.
You've really gripped the country's economy.
You've touched it just off.
I think people realize the president's making a lot of that boy out there in a public way.
And it's been a great time.
And I just know it's real good.
I mean, but, uh, he did something very tough on you, and, you know, that's harsh.
You're so hard for me, and I don't, I can't, you know, I don't, yeah, I didn't say it, and I just, you know, I'm worried about it, you know, I thought I'd have to take it.
I don't know what you mean.
I think a lot of them will.
I heard a building keep going after me, and people have been there a day or so.
Before you get there, I'll have a look.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
Yeah, I'm on my phone.
I'm on my phone.
I'm on my phone.
I'm on my phone.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah.
I gave you one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23,
No, no, no, no, no, no, no.
Thank you.
quite a different type of approach to the natural American life and that sort of thing.
The other aspect of it, the international aspect, which is to emphasize the presence of a thrust towards self-loving heritage across the world, which is to do another step forward and stop convention then and try to make available actual services in the
you know, special service of the armed service of the United States of America.
I think what your being at the campfire and your being there and visiting, you know, it puts this blessing of the President on it like, you know, you know how you're fighting, you know, you're fighting for the United States.
There'll be a peak site.
I don't think you're going to be required to take any cuts.
I don't think there's no way that we can get you there without you.
But welcome to our people.
We're at a formal presence.
And I think the opportunity to do that, let's see if you get there on the 20th, I think, or the 19th.
19th.
That's my birthday.
I mean, I think we're going to get you there on the 20th.
So we're going to...
There'll be a tremendous crowd on the shore because this thing is drawn from all of the surrounding states of Montana, Wyoming, Colorado, and the coast of the South Island.
But I think that, you know, it's not like breaking a champagne bottle, but I guess you're sort of gripping this international conference.
And, uh, yeah, it's a world conference on our, our mandate.
If there are two aspects, I'll say the American first.
Well, I don't think the other problem about being American is we're a little bit, we're a little cautious about inviting people right now to go into the parks because we're low-key.
I mean, we can certainly ask, but, uh, that is right.
The parks and people, uh, group facilities.
with all, all income, so that parking should not be just for disabled people.
Who does he mean?
Everyone?
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
The point where the first major discussion in 1805 was to preserve something, to create this idea of culminating in grand signing that you do in the first part of the bill, to provide a place for people.
And the interesting thing is that the parks have always been for people.
And this is the environment.
Those are trying to take us away from that.
They're trying to put the parks on the honey boxes so they can build these and all that.
Uh, no retro, but we, we were working with you on, maybe just a short comment, but they are four people, and now, this is a great, uh, concept.
Oh, we, you know, we can, we can do that.
I've got a lot of support.
I just bring that over to you.
Oh, absolutely.
No, we don't have any of that.
We don't have, we don't have at all.
We're getting one of those.
We really, uh, we really have hope.
Clifford has the idea of having to always have a core that is on top of these parts.
It will certainly die out of parts of people.
One way to try it, of course, is the wilderness.
The big wilderness areas of the United States have an argumentation part.
So they have to have their main drug in terms of the nature of that next country.
If you don't do roads, if you don't do facilities, you're discriminating against the family, you're discriminating against the elderly, you're discriminating against the great sisters, the nurses, the tanks that are there every week, and the only person you ever see here is a backpacker.
Well, I absolutely hope you support them more.
He went right into Flamingo Park.
My schedule is to go and see my writers.
I'm going to look for that bunch of people.
And she said, I want a lot of security.
I'll go in there with one person.
She talked to the developer.
And they figured out who she was.
And she was doing that.
And she just got back to the tour.
I can't believe that, you know, seven, eight, and a whole group of bars where she told me she can't start.
And she said, don't you ever think he's getting our best friends.
Well, I've read about prayer activities.
Yeah, well, you've been praying.
Well, you've been praying.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I've been preaching that.
No, but I don't see it as a regret.
I think it's just the idea that we care.
That's not the point.
No, it's true, because, you know, that's a woman's day.
I don't have to remind you to do that.
Yeah, I don't have to remind you to do that.
You don't have to have to do that.
You don't have to have to do that.
Good.
I'm going to do what I can for you.
I'm going to be gone today.
Starting tomorrow.
That's it.
I'm going to be out of here tomorrow.
That would be great.
I'm going to be gone.
I'm going to be gone.
I'm going to be gone.
I'm going to be gone.
A lot of those.
The park thing is one of those bit of it.
You never know how much it affects people, but it builds from injury.
I couldn't agree with the coroner for nothing.
We had to go on the beat out every part of the day, you know.
Well, we've got to do it for a reason.
One is to be busy.
The second is to be cool.
The third thing is that the West is coming our way.
And we heard of them all through the West, and all they did was continue.
and one of them
The list, uh, who, who, who would we ask to go up to?
You know, when we go away, there's one here, and they've got this thing.
Who does not?
Who does not?
We don't know.
We don't know.
We don't know.
We don't know.
We don't know.
We don't know.
We don't know.
It's a little bit of your piece of drug.
You're around here, and you're going very, very quiet.
That's what I'm talking about.
That's what I'm talking about.
I think the problem is factually that the smell of the hearing probably helped you.
Well, I think there's just a general opinion.
It did not push too major to the rest that we wanted the last bag of land to follow the Act.
I thought it was a shorthand, but that's an observation.
He tried to put his own message all the way back in that thing, and it just didn't go.
And I think that we're on the right side of that, aren't we?
Well, I think so.
We're on the right side of the whole thing.
Yeah, that's right.
That's what you're talking about.
So, you know, basically, that's right.
Oh, but he's got people over 70 years of age.
Oh, I can't hear you.
That's another shark.
I think there should be close to a shark.
Well, we tried to go get that through to the outback.
Go to Reno.
There's some down in Reno.
But after 70, I had to get the hell off the corner 70 years.
I think it's a good strategy that there is something about the course.
Okay.
Okay.
Okay.
We wish you well.
We wish you well.
We wish you well.
We wish you well.