{"conversationCode":"777-004","tapeNumber":777,"conversationNumber":4,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-777-004","startDateTime":"1972-09-14T22:00:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1972-09-14T22:05:00.000Z","startDate":"14-Sep-1972","startTime":"6:00 PM","endDate":"14-Sep-1972","endTime":"6:05 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"estimated","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Butterfield, Alexander P.; Eisenhower, Julie Nixon; Ziegler, Ronald L.;","description":"On September 14, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon, Alexander P. Butterfield, Julie Nixon Eisenhower, and Ronald L. Ziegler met in the Oval Office of the White House at an unknown time between 6:00 pm and 6:05 pm. 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Oct-06)\n\nEND WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 1\n\n*****************************************************************\n\nRonald L. Ziegler entered at 6:01 pm.\n\n             The President's schedule\n                 -Possible signing ceremony for National Heart, Blood Vessel, Lung, and Blood\n                 Act, September 20, 1972\n                     -Edward M. Kennedy bill\n                          -Invitation to Kennedy\n                          -American Heart Association\n                 -Ray Charles\n                     -Press photograph\n                     -Sickle cell anemia\n                 -Signing ceremony\n                     -Kennedy\n                     -Political effects\n\nButterfield left at an unknown time before 6:05 pm.\n\n             Vietnam War\n                 -Negotiations\n                     -Interim agreement\n                          -Possible statement\n                          -Endorsement\n\nZiegler left at an unknown time before 6:05 pm.","filename":["777-004.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Butterfield, Alexander P.","Eisenhower, Julie Nixon","Ziegler, Ronald L."],"prevCode":"777-003","nextCode":"777-005","transcript":[{"start":5.13,"end":5.77,"text":"Thank you, sir."},{"start":51.56,"end":56.13,"text":"There's a public signing ceremony that I'd like you to consider, Mark."},{"start":57.11,"end":59.33,"text":"This is Teddy Kennedy's bill, so we'll wind up in here."},{"start":60.53,"end":66.21,"text":"And we'd have to wait until he was not in the presence of the public signing to expand it."},{"start":85.64,"end":85.98,"text":"No."},{"start":86.05,"end":89.07,"text":"He is a key leader of the American Heart Association of Health Leaders."},{"start":89.65,"end":89.81,"text":"No."},{"start":91.39,"end":92.39,"text":"This would be a good..."},{"start":92.41,"end":94.57,"text":"I don't want to name him."},{"start":94.77,"end":95.79,"text":"I don't like the sound of that."},{"start":95.83,"end":103.46,"text":"We don't have a name on the press photo unless you want to consider a press photo for Charles."},{"start":104.52,"end":107.08,"text":"And it is bad because he's tied to the..."},{"start":107.1,"end":108.32,"text":"I don't mind that."},{"start":108.4,"end":108.88,"text":"Rachel and..."},{"start":118.34,"end":136.81,"text":"After the President's admission of the Heart Disease Research Area were announced, Ted Candidate,"},{"start":155.46,"end":157.58,"text":"I don't know."},{"start":158.78,"end":159.16,"text":"I don't."},{"start":160.19,"end":160.28,"text":"Yes."},{"start":189.48,"end":190.18,"text":"Very strong."},{"start":191.24,"end":192.36,"text":"You know?"}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon met with Alexander P. Butterfield, Julie Nixon Eisenhower, and Ronald L. Ziegler to coordinate the administration's upcoming public schedule. Primary attention focused on planning a signing ceremony for the National Heart, Blood Vessel, Lung, and Blood Act, specifically addressing the political implications of inviting Senator Edward M. Kennedy to the event. The group also discussed potential press opportunities involving Ray Charles to promote sickle cell anemia research and briefly touched upon status updates regarding Vietnam War negotiations.","topics":["National Heart, Blood Vessel, Lung, and Blood Act","Edward M. Kennedy","Presidential Scheduling","Ray Charles","Sickle Cell Anemia","Vietnam War Negotiations"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-07T23:25:06.102Z"},"topicSlugs":["national-heart-blood-vessel-lung-and-blood-act","edward-m-kennedy","presidential-scheduling","ray-charles","sickle-cell-anemia","vietnam-war-negotiations"],"audioDurationSec":198,"audioFiles":[{"file":"777-004.mp3","bytes":4764106,"durationSec":198.44,"bitrate":192062,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:19:57.945Z","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/777-004.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/777-004","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/777/conversation-777-004","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). AI-generated fields (transcript, aiSummary) are provided as-is without warranty."}