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Yeah, he's one of the quiet guys.

He gets a lot done.

That was a good move too, bringing Dean in.

Yeah.

He'll never deem any ground for us.

He's not that kind of guy, but he's the kind that enables other people to gain ground while he's making sure things don't fall through the holes.

Between times.

He's doing, he's moving ruthlessly from the

Investigation, looking over people, seeing stuff and all that, too.

I don't know how much progress he's making.

He turned out to be tougher than I thought he would, which is what... Yeah.

Do you have anybody else that you want to run into in the morning?

If you can, let's see how many of us are around here.

Wow.

I don't think there's a man's group in the morning.

I think it's too quick to have to propagate into it next time you're choosing.

What do you need in the morning?

Let me check and see.

You know, who needs to come in and get him in?

We don't have any contract.

You know, we have a little problem with getting the tractor out of the scenario statement now, too.

You know, I just literally made my husband and wife, you know.

Oh, yeah, we're pushing that hard.

The vice president was delighted with that.

Did he get the wife?

Yeah, absolutely.

His husband and wife.

Now we want them to have a government.

I don't think they get a husband and wife.

I don't know, but I would guess his wife probably doesn't have any, so it won't make a difference.

She might.

Make a report.

But this driver wouldn't be driving.

She'll have to report it.

Either the Morgan thing or some trust.

See, it's all in cards.

She only has about $25.

How did it all end up?

I think we can say, well, at this point, the press is playing it.

This is what you'd expect.

Whitewash?

No, no, yeah.

Just the story right now.

It's a big story.

It's private.

It's building up the fact that once it was, plus the White House, former guy and all that.

That's good.

That takes the edge off whitewash, really.

That was the thing Mitchell kept saying, that those in the country, Liddy and Hunt, are big men.

That's right.

I think very well.

He had a good statement.

He said that the grand jury has to speak for itself.

And it's not time to realize that some policies may be due.

That's it.

What's happened on the car?

The bug.

The second bug, there was another bug found in the phone of the person you don't think is watching the left over from a previous job.

We're absolutely not set.

The viewer has checked and rechecked the man who checked the phone.

His first check was thorough and it was not there on the instrument.

What the hell do you think is involved?

I could be in a city planet.

You think they did it?

Uh-huh.

Do the radios?

Well, what is the name of the person that they think did it?

They really want to believe that we planted that.

Did you get anything on the fingerprints?

No, they didn't sell them.

Good work.

Either on the telephone or on the bus.

The FBI has unleashed a full-blast investigation over the DNC, starting with O'Brien right now.

He's in the same crew, not the same.

Nothing to do with Washington.

Same Washington field office as well.

Anything that they can think of, because what happened to Brian is charged the Bureau with failing to find all the bubbles whenever they could.

So Gray is pissed now, and his people are pissed off, so they're moving in, because their reputation's on the line.

That's it.

I think that's a good thought.

I think that's a nice approach to go with that.

Absolutely.

No, no, sir.

If we can find, if the DNC finds that, the whole story is going to just, we'll reverse.

But how do they possibly find it, though?

Well, they're trying to ascertain who made the thing.

It's a custom-made product.

If they can get back to the man who manufactured it, then they can find out who he sold them to, how it came down to the chain.

The resources that have been put against this whole investigation to date are really incredible.

It's truly a larger investigation than was conducted against the after-enquiry of the JFK assassination.

And good statistics supporting that finding is just one hell of a...

It is that ridiculous, uh, this silly absinthe thing.

Yeah, that kind of resources again.

Yeah, for Christ's sake, somebody... Who the hell... Hey, uh, Goldwater, we've got connections to them for Christ's sake, everybody, everybody, everybody else, we know that.

That was, that was priceless.

Yeah, I... Well, it's true.

Oh, I have to ask you, because we've heard a lot of this, too.

We were 5168 on the plane at 5162, and, uh, even I forgot there.

It was a shame that evidence of the fact that that happened in 68 was never preserved around.

I understand that the former director had that information.

No, that's not true.

There's others who have that information.

I've got some stuff on it too in the bombing hall study.

Because it's all, that's why the stuff I've got, we don't.

And all they're confusing, of course, is that it reflects on Johnson.

Right.

The order.

And the word for that, I use it.

Is there any way we could use it without reflecting on Johnson?

I don't know what you're saying.

Could you say the Democratic National Committee didn't?

No, they haven't.

They haven't.

That's the problem.

They've been reflecting on Johnson.

Johnson.

I'll forget to do it.

It's a rough one on that with all the stuff about they don't do congressmen and all that sort of stuff.

What the hell is that?

Gray has never had access to the box, but is now going to pursue the box.

I spoke with him just about 30 minutes ago, and said, I don't know about the box.

The word is now, we never had an opportunity before when we first released the press, there was a box to go in.

But he said, I don't have grounds now to go in.

I know what it's all about.

The likely public story was that she ended up dead in that building.

That's right.

We have a bureau on the building.

Bureau on the building dead for a minute.

We're going to start questioning that son of a bitch.

They've been tied up for a couple weeks now.

I hope they do.

The bureau is going to get over it pretty quick and get that red box.

We want it cleared up.

That's exactly the way I need to drive.

If you want to clear it up, we want to get to the bottom of it.

If anybody's kneeling over here, we want to know.

We've got all those pockets under our necks.

The stand's libel action was assigned to Judge Ritchie.

Oh, Christ.

Well, now that's good and bad.

Judge Ritchie is not known to be one of the intellects on the bench.

That's conceded by many, but he is, uh...

He's made several entrees off the bench to one of the findings to...

the civil case seemed to have halted, that the depositions were halted, and he did that, and more than that, he's been talking to Silbert and Silbert, the U.S. attorney down here, he's a U.S. attorney, saying we're going to have a hell of a time drawing indictments up because of the fact that the

Civil depositions keep coming out, and the grand jury's got one eye on the civil case because they don't want to get themselves caught coming out with indictments in the civil case to do something differently.

So, would you like to take court, please?

Agreed, sir.

Go ahead.

So based on that, when Silver had told Richie that they had a casual encounter, in fact, it was just in the hall, Richie, the next thing he does, he stops the civil case.

So Silver can get the indictment down.

But he's got the abusive process to go through.

Oh, yeah.

Yeah.

No.

Well, you're still alive.

Yeah, yeah.

It's just that you got beaten and you don't need to do anything.

You're probably going to be sued or some damn thing.

Oh, God, I don't think you did that.

You didn't do that last one, did you?

Yeah.

You would have been sued.

Yeah.

Just don't let this keep you or your colleagues from concentrating on the big game.

I mean, this thing is just one of those side issues.

I'm up for everybody in the back.

I wonder what the hell Sean is about.

Yeah.

Okay, well, have a good night's sleep.

And don't fuck anybody without asking me.

Okay?

Yeah.

Thank you.

All the way.

Three months ago, I would have had a couple of days to be today.

I think that I'm going to say it 54 days from now that things are crashing down to our surprise.

Good luck.

Nothing's going to come crashing down to our surprise.

The whole thing's on hand work, as you know.

A lot of the stuff went on.

But the way you handle it seems to me it's very skillful, because you're putting your finger to the right, and at least the front here and the front there.

We don't want to be having people straighten up.

they'll they'll have completed and they'll let them go so that we don't continue the investigation the gao report that's referred over to justice is on a shelf right now because they have hundreds of violations

They've got violations of McGovern.

They've got violations of Humphreys.

They've got Jackson violations and several hundred congressional violations.

They don't want to start prosecuting one any more than on the other.

And that's the...

They've got all that prostitution.

It's the prostitution.

It's not what we're really talking about.

We've got a, we've got a on that.

Yeah, and he indeed has not invoked him once.

He hasn't?

No.

Well, yeah, there's 300 committees, are they all reporting him?

And we reported out.

Yes, we, well, we had a couple of the Lincoln State committees out.

But it's done now.

It's been out.

Unless someone's giving $900,000.

That's right.

Which could be very possible.

He may be getting that $97,000 from somebody.

From two or three.

I mean, he may have some big angels.

I don't think he's getting a hell of a lot of small money.

I don't think so.

I don't believe this crap.

I mean, if he could get a post office check in.

That junk's going to do that, huh?

That's an interesting thing to check in on.

Yeah.

We don't have a local family.

I'm excited because I see how many problems that we have are human problems.

People go silent.

Human problems.

People get annoyed and some people are complaining and false accusations and internal dissension of that.

In this case, on this case, there's some bitterness between the Capital Finance Committee and the Political Committee.

They feel that they're taking all the heat and all the people upstairs are bad people.

They're not being very nice.

It is.

And they're all not together.

They should just behave.

And in retrospect, this is again, it's a war.

If you get a few shots, it'll be over.

If we give them a few shots, it'll be over.

I wouldn't want to be on the other side right now.

Would you?

I wouldn't want to be an advocate of William's position after this election.

No, no, none of these factions.

He's done some rather unethical things that have come to bite already, which, again, Richard brought to our attention.

He went down to Paloza and all that.

Oh, and we are in these.

His afterwards says that the president has got to rule him.

He's got to rule him.

He's a bad man.

Absolutely.

He disappeared very badly in the hall.

Pretty bad conduct there, too.

Go ahead.

Along that line, one of the things I've tried to do is just keep notes on a lot of people who are emerging.

That's for us and our friends.

This is going to be over someday, and we shouldn't forget.

Comprehensive notes on all those who tried to do us in because they didn't have to do it.

They didn't have to do it.

I mean, they had a very close election.

Everybody had decided to understand this game.

Now they're doing this quite deliberately and they're asking for it and they're going to get it.

We have not used the power in this first four years, as you know.

We have never used it.

We haven't used the Bureau, we haven't used the Justice Department, but things are going to change now.

And they're going to change, and they're going to get it right.

They're not going to decide enough.

It's got to be done.

It's the only thing they can do.

We've got to.

Oh, well, we've just been leaving just goddamn fools for us to come into this election campaign and not do anything regarding the Democratic senators.

And when they call him, they're arresting us.

That's ridiculous.

That's really ridiculous.

And it's not going to put me in a way anymore.

And, uh, what do you want?

It's ironic, you know, that we've gone to such extremes to do everything.

You know, you and your damn regulations.

Everybody worries about not picking up a hotel bill or anything.

Well, I think we can be proud of the White House staff.

It really is trying to have no problems about it.

Well, they're trying.

And they're looking.

With this GAOI that's going on right now, I think that they've got some suspicion and even a first-rate investigation, which is not going to discover anything, that they're going to find something here.

I learned today, incidentally, that I have confirmed that it came from the jail.

Jail, auditor, investigator was down there.

And he is down here at the Speaker of the House's request, which surprised me.

Well, goddamn the Speaker of the House.

Maybe we've got to pull the lead on him.

I think so, too.

Because he's got one more problem that he's going to find down here.

That's right.

That's the kind of thing that the police department knows.

That's the kind of thing that, you know, what we really ought to do is call a seizure and say, I regret to see you ordering GAO down here because of what it's going to cause us to require to do to you.

Why don't you get that parlor and we'll see you and talk to them.

Because he wouldn't do it.

I suppose the other area we're going to see some publicity on in the coming weeks because I think half of the indictments are down.

It's going to be a cresting on that.

The White House charge, of course, is that we can't let go of civil cases in advance because the patent is curious.

The Banking and Currency Committee, we've got to, whether we'll be successful or not in turning

who were counseled for the five men who were, for the national total of seven that were indicted today, are going to go up and visit every member and say, come in and see if you're going to jeopardize the civil rights of these individuals in the fourth wave, and they'll have to get a fair trial in life, and try to talk to members on that level.

Why not ask for the request to be heard?

By the committee.

Publicly, they plan to, what they're going to say is if you do commence with these hearings, we plan to publicly come up and say what you're doing to the rights of individuals.

As a matter of fact, they can even make a motion in court to get the thing dismissed.

That's another thing we're doing is to, because we're here to bring an injunctive action against the appearance of, say, What's the other way?

How about a criminal's case?

A criminal's...

charge this fish on the ground so that they're .

The civil rights .

Right, well, that would work again.

We've got somebody that's approaching ACLU for these guys to have them go up and exert some pressure because we just don't want spams up there in front of the cameras with Patman and Patman asking all these questions.

There's going to be the whole thing, the press going over and over and over again.

One suggestion was that Connolly is close to Patton.

Probably anybody could talk to Kirby for Patton.

Connolly might be able to talk to Patton.

I don't know if that's a good idea or not.

I don't think we can.

Jerry Ford has not really taken an active interest in this matter because it's developing.

So it's fantastic to go see Jerry Ford and try to brief him and explain to him what's happening.

And then the other thing we're going to do

If they want to get involved, if they want to play rough, I'm going to test it.

Well, gentlemen, we think you have a call to your attention.

You haven't complied.

You see, you have... We're not going to hold that secret.

If you start talking, you can't take violations here.

What about the board?

I don't think anybody can do anything.

If the board gets the minority members together on that one, it's going to be fun.

They have a very weak man in Lidnall, of course.

Hecker's all right.

Hecker was great.

She was great.

That's what I understand.

But you see, Lidnall seems funny.

Jerry can talk.

Jerry should talk to Lidnall.

This is exactly the thing you were talking about, that the reason they're saying it is so they can run an investigation.

Well, the point is that they often raise hell about this and that these areas aren't reproducing it.

I don't know that there could be a council call on the members of the committee.

It was much good.

It may be all right, but I was thinking that they really have to thunderbust in a public arena.

You know, I mean, public side of it, right?

That's what this is, public relations.

That's all it is.

be a problem the way we have the least controllable way to stand right now.

Kennedy's also suggested he may call Grayson's administrative practice, which they just haven't made.

You can spin out four holes and you can see above.

And so we just don't do that.

I stopped doing that about two months ago.

We just take one time to deal with it.

And you really can't just sit and worry yourself about it all the time.

The worst may happen, but it may not.

So you just try to fuzz it up as well as you can and hope for the best.

And remember that basically the damn thing is just one of those unfortunate things.

And so it has no effect on you.

That's the good thing.

It really hasn't.

No, it hasn't.

It's been kept away from the White House almost completely, and from the president totally.

The only tie to the White House has been the Colton effort they keep trying to haul in.

And now, of course, two former White House people, low-level, indicted one consultant and one member of the domestic counsel staff.

All right.

They've been killers with this rancher.

That's absolutely true.

These poor bastards are lazy.

They've got no way they can ever...

The fact that he thought of holding them to trial away from the... Well, there's been extensive clipping by the counsel of this case, and I've gone through some of these clippings, and it's just phenomenal.

They're my preference.

This case is good.

They may never get a fair trial.

They may never get a jury that thinks

A real large team that they've assigned, and nothing but this shirtless case.

Couldn't believe it, but Maury Sands, part of the Glyphosate, which was just playing so heavily on the networks last night in the peeping news, had put it way back on about page 8 of the Post's shirt, and it even covered it in total.

I'm trying to do that here.

I'm going to have to get a radio.

Get a radio station, too.

Does that come up, too?

Why does it come up?

I don't know.

Non-licensees spotting on top of licensees has certainly gotten more and more active in the entertainment industry.

Well, the game has to be played all through rough.

I don't know when I'm going to be able to follow through with who will and who hasn't through the border.

I'll talk to Bill.

Yeah.

Cook is the guy.

Could Mitchell do it?

I don't really think that would be good.

I think Maury can talk to Ford if that will do any good.

It wouldn't have the same impact, of course, if he's the one directly involved.

But I think Maury ought to brief Ford at some point on exactly what his whole side of the story is.

I'll talk to Cook.

This is a big play.

I'm getting out of this.

Well, if we got that slide up there with the accounting committee, it'd be just, you know, just a tragedy about having that field day up there.

What's the first move?

When is he called?

Well, he has not even gotten a vote in this committee.

He hasn't made his committee yet.

I don't know what he's being called here.

That's why he won't come on anymore.

He needs a turn.

doorstep of the chairman and try to tell him what he's doing and he proceeds.

One of the members, Gary Brown, wrote plainly a letter saying if the chairman holds committee hearings on this, isn't this going to jeopardize your criminal case?

They're on some smart balls of information.

They're trying to have some type of forward experience.

It's a very smart ball.

Well, we can.

Uh, the demolition's going the other way soon.

We'll be hauling the O'Brien-Tinn, the Lyon, and the Conner piece across the street.

What do you think?

after he started posing.

He's quite a character.

He was getting into the sex life of some of the members of the DNC, and probably was a justification for how he was working on the entrapment theory, that they were hiding something, or they had secrets and information and affairs to hide.

And they had, in some way, conspired to bring this thing about themselves to weigh out a theory that no one had cut it.

He had scheduled Patricia Harris, and she didn't show up.

She went to the beauty parlor instead.

So he went down to the courthouse, and she had been directed to show up.

Then the next day, the judge cut all the depositions off.

But he had a host of wild questions, including where Ryan got his compensation when he was chairman.

Not that he knows anything about that.

It gives us the same hunting license that it gave us.

That's why we can play the same game they're playing.

We ought to be able to do better at it.

Are those depositions sealed?

That's right.

They are?

That argues that they will want them unsealed.

They'll want them unsealed less than we will.

We may be arguing at some point to get them unsealed.

I think what's going to happen on the civil case is the judge is going to dismiss any complaint down there right now.

They will then turn around and file a new complaint, which will come back to Ritchie again.

That will probably happen the 20th, 21st, 22nd.

Then 28th will run until the answers will have to be filed in the depositions we've commenced.

So we're eating up all thought of time.

But I'll tell you something.

Covered on a new ground, both on the substantive ground, they haven't stated a good cause of action, that there's an improper class action filed.

O'Brien, he doesn't represent any class.

And he'll just dismiss it on the merits.

It's not a good complaint.

He's already stated then almost nothing on his original order.

They will then have to redesign it, a much narrower action.

The judge himself can't suggest something to the counsel.

You've got a good race here to cut our game here.

He dismisses all the merits.

But they can't file another suit.

They're out of the court totally.

But our suit still hangs.

Our suit still, we have two suits.

And we have the piece of process and the life of our suit.

We can take that position, not both of us.

Absolutely.

That'll do us.

The idea that you horse around the IRS, and I got one even when I was

I have a tremendous time.

I was surprised that George Holtz comes to see you in the next few days, because I made a request to Johnny Walters.

Yeah.

After some... On what ground?

I mean, George doesn't want to let him see me.

I'll throw him out of his office.

Oh, really?

Here's what I mean.

Come on.

It's not a moment now, it's another matter.

I've been talking to Murray Totner, who's been collecting this, whoever it is, and Schultz is to see that any order of this that he gets comes through everything.

Now that, you just be sure to send it to Iowa.

I don't know if Schultz ever raised the question.

I don't think he's said to put this on a piece of paper.

He's thrown that out of the office.

I can put him over there.

He didn't get Secretary of Defense.

He's got two eyes.

Not for any other reason.

It's a goddamn big favor if you get that job.

The problem is this.

There's so damn many Democrats in that whole Congress Center that it would have to be an artful job to go down and get that file.

I think the commissioner and the secretary can't figure out how they can't get down in there and get them despite the fact that there are some bureaucrats down there.

I don't know.

That's what I haven't ever been told the answer to.

And we've been running around on this earth for at least two years.

I've been over here since I was young.

Well, after the election, why the hell would we worry about it?

Let the Democrats stand there and squeal, and we just say, well, as a result of the election campaign, we've had a lot of complaints, and we've got to check these things out.

And we just do it.

But before that, we do have to do it artfully.

We have to do it artfully so that we don't create an issue between the groups and the areas.

And there are ways to do it.

Goddamn mistake.

We had a man, we had a man who could do it.

And he was doing it for me.

Yeah, they threw him out.

No, we appointed him a higher post.

He's now the commissioner of customs.

Mike Avery.

Mike was very good.

He could get down there and give me any information I needed.

I didn't have to go through Walters or anyone else.

Why the hell can we promote it?

He's a good man.

Well, that's a hell of a loss.

That's right, it is.

And Mike has lost his former ability to use other people up there now because he's come to our place.

Well, it actually, the way things are now, it doesn't make a hell of a lot of difference whether we get them before or after the election anyway.

And we sure shouldn't take the risk of getting thrown out of the water before the election.

Absolutely.

We should find a way.

but after the election i don't see so so let them let the democrats down their slew and say nixon's pulling the tax files of all the democrats we see it damn right because we're worried about being charged with covering up taxes and we're going to get there we've been having a lot of complaints and we're going to check them out

And let him sleep about repression and all that stuff.

We just got to not worry about it.

Oh, and that's just a Washington issue anyway.

It sure is.

Go right after it.

Go after it and say, well, we want to check these loopholes.

And we'll worry about it.

The other thing is you could always increase your compliance program at that point.

The compliance program has never been fully implemented.

It just happens a lot of Democrats get caught in new compliance programs.

That's right.

We'll poll a lot of Republicans, too.

Just don't look at those after we poll.

Well, the big Republicans, for Christ's sake, Senator, why not just lose your city a little bit?

We're pulling Republicans out, for Christ's sake, as Connor points out.

We have no qualms about Betsy and Billy Graham and Dr. Ryland and all these people, you know.

That's right.

Well, they're going to get us.

We've just got to, we've got to do it, but we've just got to kick Walter's ass out first and get a man in there.

I think that's right, isn't it?

Johnny has been, uh, at this point, when he's talking about this, he's finished, he's finished.

Remember, they believe me now.

I don't, there's not a, a dime for a difference between Randy Thrower and Johnny Walter.

That's part of the response to the White House.

We've just got to get a guy with guns in there, don't we?

He's a nice guy, but we sure just can't get what we need.

There are some non-presidential appointments, but the Secretary of the Treasury has a number of appointments as well.

At his pleasure.

At his pleasure, right.

Well, the Secretary of the Treasury is going to hold to Schultz now.

Schultz is going to know.

He's got to know that the resignations of everybody, of fighters, I want there to be no vote-overs left.

The whole goddamn bunch go out.

And if he doesn't do it, he's Office Secretary of the Treasury.

That's the way it's going to be played.

And that's why, you see, they always get around to saying they're going to hold the White House down and fight for God damn it, the Secretary.

Those jobs, we're not going to have a Secretary of the Treasury because of what we said.

Absolutely.

Every God damn one.

And George doesn't want to be the Secretary of the Treasury.

Well, that's the point where George, you know, it is, but he gets insensitive.

Well, by God, he'll even pull a straight line, you know, and say this is why.

Let him do it.

That's right.

Let him go out and say the White House forced him out because he wouldn't give names to people or something.

That's right.

We've got to have a different attitude.

They're done quickly because sometimes we wait on these things.

Yeah.

We get locked in and they don't happen for hours.

Well, the excuse of waiting was that, you know, we don't have a guy to fill it.

That doesn't make any difference either now.

We can leave it empty.

That's right.

We can leave the whole goddamn government empty.

We're going to hurt the world one bit.

That's right.

Including embassies.

Everything else.

They go straight to the department.

That's right.

They all go.

It's an exciting concept.

Well, and it will set this country, it will be so positive.

This country will say, my God, fine, somebody's cleaning house.

That's right.

And if they're clean enough, they can't zero in on any one of them.

So you've been political or something like that.

Well, the point is, in fact, really, it's not being planned.

I don't have an uneasy feeling about the plan.

I talked earlier about it.

He's busy with other things, but

No, it's got to be a conservative plan to find out not only who the president wants, but who every goddamn Capitol officer wants, and every damn agency that it wants.

We have that.

Did you know about the guy from Treasury?

Yes.

The guy from Treasury?

Yes, sir.

Well, goddamn him.

Why didn't he do something about it?

He hasn't done a thing about it.

Remember?

Conley didn't do anything.

He didn't make any changes.

He did something.

Conley turned off the light.

He felt probably he had to.

But George doesn't have to tread lightly.

But we forced, we forced Johnny Walters, he didn't want Walters, and we forced it because Mitchell said he was the guy that would cooperate.

Mitchell doesn't know, Mitchell is a poor parent.

Well, you know, there was no doubt that Walters would be co-operative.

What happened, though, happens in so many things.

He's a person who appears to be loyal to the right, gets out and is captured immediately by bureaucracy.

Got it.

You see it?

That's why we've got electric kiddies, guys.

Unless you don't force for your aid, he was captured by the bureaucracy.

So I know I was over there when Mitchell was captured by the bureaucracy.

Mitchell gets over there and tells me how great some of these guys are, and I know they're not worth a damn.

Because I'm the leader.

And Roberts is totally kept in the Army.

I'm just a male lawyer.

They've changed everybody.

You know what I mean?

He puts out his people.

Oh, what?

The people now who run the Pentagon are still gonna have a go at that Pentagon.

Sure they are.

The military is still riding roughshod over that.

They chewed up the whole damn bunch.

And you see, this is the problem.

I don't know what's happening around here.

They all come in.

And the difficulty, you gotta do it fast, because then they'll say Christmas, you know, other than, oh, that happened the first year, it's too late.

You've got to go right after the election.

You've got one week, and that's the time to get all those resignations in and say, look, why don't you be able to fight your holidays out?

You're out.

You're finished.

You're done.

Done.

Finished.

Get the hell out of there.

no one knew all the key sensitive stuff, they didn't generalize it.

So when you get out into these departments now, you know, you know, a key administrative appointment can influence a whole operation.

Well, Price told us that before we came in, though.

He, and basically, you go back to it, it's still right.

If you get the right guy, the general guy, the PR guy, the personnel guy, the legislative liaison guy,

And he had one other.

10 minutes.

Yes, sir.

All right.

This is a project that's just going on full tilt that nobody knows anything about.

But through all the departments that you're not missing, the agencies too.

I can remember the P.A.

didn't even go on that site.

Clean those back up.

Some of them we got pretty good, you know.

Yeah.

Take that park service.

They've been screwing us for four years.

And that big driver's harder because they suck around and he won't get rid of that son of a bitch.

But he's got to go.

Park Service know we inherited him.

You know, he's no god damn other.

He's just a good ass kisser.

But he cusses politically.

You don't allow that to happen.

That's something that I've been trying to get across to people.

They don't get it around here.

That's right.

They really don't.

It's just gonna be Park and some of the cabin ops people they're gonna have to go to.

Well, we've all worried about our press.

We don't want to look like the White House is screwing things up and all that.

But now, let the stories get out, and they will.

You'll see a huge rash of stories this fall about the ruthless White House staff.

And if you are prepared to ride through a few weeks of those, you'll end up with one hell of a government.

Americans, you're going to watch out right on, all the way.

I said, yes, we're going to have a hostage.

It's time for a new team.

Sure thing.

We didn't do it when we came in before, but now we have a mandate, I'm going to say.

And one of the mandates is we're going to be cleaning up if we didn't do it at 6 p.m. And we can be nice about it.

There's no reflection on anybody.

It's just that the time is not perfect for the new leadership.

They had their jobs lined up.

We didn't appoint them.

And so this is going to include some of our...

I was going to say, don't say we didn't appoint because some of our people are going to be on the line here.

They start signing around the church on Saturday.

All of a sudden, they just stand with the others.

Well, the others, at least we know are in it.

Some of our own.

We think are our own, but they're worse than the enemy because they just don't do anything.

Well, they don't hurt us, but they don't help us.

I mean, just watching a case like this thing I've been on, you learn an awful lot about people when you see their crunch come down.

Yeah.

You learn very much what's happening here.

You learn an awful lot about people, I'd say.

Yeah.

Some surprises and pleasant surprises on both sides.

I mean, particularly the people that are educated.

Education takes character out of people.

I mean, it puts brains in and takes guts out.

And the trouble is that, like that slug in war, except for the British upper class, the American upper class are not worth a goddamn war.

The heroes of war, generally speaking, are those hard-ass sons of bitches, you know, all the poor dumb bastards that went out there and got the medals of honor.

I'm frankly connoisseur, actually.

Those are the guys that are dying over there.

And a few professionals.

But my point is that what we have here is the upper class.

And frankly, the Republican underclass or the conservative underclass is a little better than the Democratic underclass.

But you've got to be concerned about them because they have the same thing.

They read the papers.

They're affected by the media.

They think they're smart and all that sort of thing.

And they don't realize it.

And they just can't face up to being like them.

Like a Rizzo.

A Rizzo would come there and tell a son of a bitch.

And he's talking to Chuck Parker.

I mean, they come to, they, my brother comes in with his job.

He screws up their parade.

What do we do when they come?

Christ, we put out hot lunches for the goddamn demonstrators.

That's right.

Rizzo wouldn't do that.

No.

But that's the difference of reaction, you see.

And it's very rare that you find people with education having steel.

Very rare.

And now, it didn't seem that way.

But it's happened because of what has happened to the colleges and universities.

They break out of their class.

Unfortunately, it was all killed off in World War I and World War II.

In World War II, not much of us left, but it was great credit for World War I and II.

Of course, they were magnificent.

They had this...

The better educated ones were the leaders, and that's why they lost more officers than anybody else.

I got to the San Juli Australians.

Oh, I might appreciate the folks about Australia.

Oh, they're really tough people.

They only have people, but all of a sudden, after their entry, they figured it.

I mean, a college man, basically.

feels that he's got a greater responsibility than that dumb clock that didn't finish fourth grade.

But you don't find that attitude much in our country.

Goddamn little, not now.

Sorry.

Who the hell are the Graham Dodgers?

Are they those poor bastards that can't read and write?

Hell no.

Wow.

Anyway, we'll fix it.

We'll give them ten years.

Three years to pay them.

I'm going to a private number for Homer also, sure.

What's that?

It's right here.

Yeah, sure.

That was military medical school.

Yeah.

Of course, that was the Secretary of Defense, you know?

Sure.

Oh.

Okay.

I didn't control it.

Okay.

We got some guys.

Sure does.

You guys are nice.

All right, sir.

Thank you very much.