Conversation 780-001

TapeTape 780StartFriday, September 15, 1972 at 11:43 PMEndSaturday, September 16, 1972 at 1:01 AMParticipantsNixon, Richard M. (President);  Kissinger, Henry A.;  Haig, Alexander M., Jr.Recording deviceOval Office

President Richard M. Nixon, Henry A. Kissinger, and Alexander M. Haig, Jr. met in the Oval Office of the White House on an unknown date, sometime between 11:43 pm on September 15, 1972 and 1:01 am on September 16, 1972. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 780-001 of the White House Tapes.

Conversation No. 779-3/780-1

Date: September 15-16, 1972
Time: Unknown between 11:43 pm, September 15 and 1:01 am, September 16, 1972
Location: Oval Office

[An unknown portion of the conversation was not recorded while the tape was changed]

The President met with Henry A. Kissinger and Alexander M. Haig, Jr.

            Vietnam peace negotiations
                -Kissinger’s meeting with Le Duc Tho
                    -Release of US Prisoners of war [POWs]
                        -Perception of US thinking
                        -Reciprocation by US
                        -Peace group
                             -Hanoi
                        -Announcement
                    -Georges J.R. Pompidou
                    -Possible press reaction
                    -Saigon
                    -Peace proposals by North Vietnam
                        -Kissinger’s view
                        -Provisional government
                             -Nguyen Van Thieu’s position
                             -Various approaches
                                  -Territorial control
                    -Future meetings
                        -September 29, 1972
                        -State Department interpreter
                             -W[illiam] Averell Harriman
                    -Possible settlement
                        -Timing
                             -1972 election
                                  -Louis P. Harris poll
                                  -Concessions
                             -October 15, 1972
                        -Scheduling with North Vietnamese
                        -Saigon
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         -The President
         -Domestic opposition
              -Reaction
         -Prospects
              -Kissinger’s view
         -Le Duc Tho
              -Kissinger’s view
    -International Control Commission
    -Political settlement
              -Two-day meeting
                   -Possible motivations
                   -Effect on 1972 election
              -Publicity
              -The President’s possible re-election
                   -Kissinger’s view
                   -Bombing
                   -Effect on North Vietnamese
                   -Negotiation stance for November
              -Tone
              -Compared to 1971
              -Chou En-Lai
    -North Vietnamese
         -Possible settlement
         -Negotiating tactics
         -Speed of negotiations
         -Changes in demands
              -Saigon’s position
         -Attitude
         -Kissinger’s meeting with Pompidou
         -New US proposal
    -Thieu
         -Negotiating stance
              -Cease fire
    -North Vietnamese
         -Negotiating stance
    -Leonid I. Brezhnev
         -Le Duc Tho
              -Moscow
              -Kiril Mazurov
-Kissinger’s meeting with Brezhnev
    -Kremlin
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        -Politburo
        -Cabinet room
        -The President
        -US visit
        -Camp David
        -Soviet naval base
        -Key Biscayne, Florida
             -Brezhnev’s gift to the President
                  -Hydrofoil
        -Peace talks
        -Soviet Union position
             -Le Duc Tho statement
             -Thieu
    -Peace negotiations
        -Pompidou
        -Edward R.C. Heath
        -Willy Brandt
    -Kissinger’s forthcoming press conference
    -Report on negotiations
        -The President’s dealings with Brezhnev
        -Complete peace package

US-Soviet relations
   -Public announcements
       -William P. Rogers
       -Strategic Arms Limitation Treaty [SALT]
             -Informing Soviets
             -Possible leaks
       -Mutual and Balanced Force Reductions [MBFR] and European Security
       Conference
             -State Department handling
       -Rogers
             -Date for talks
       -SALT II
             -Timing
       -US-Soviet trade agreement
       -Scheduling
             -Guarantee of all agreements
                  -SALT
                  -Trade
             -Maritime agreement
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                 -Bunkering
        -Trade agreement
            -Progress
            -Rogers
            -Monetary figures
            -Lend-lease
                 -Amounts
    -Trade agreement
        -James T. Lynn
        -Peter G. Peterson
            -The President’s view

Kissinger’s forthcoming press conference
    -Announcement of agreements
        -Actual peace agreement for Vietnam
        -Kissinger’s handling of question
              -European Security Conference
                  -Issues
              -SALT
              -Vietnam peace progress
    -Press report
        -Dan Rather
        -Moscow
        -Blockade’s effect on Hanoi
        -Rather
              -Administration sources
                  -State Department
                  -Central Intelligence Agency [CIA]
              -Blockade’s effectiveness
                  -Documents leaked
                       -Tonnage delivered to North Vietnam
                       -Delivery of material to South Vietnam
                  -Intercepts
                  -Paris negotiations
                  -Columbia Broadcasting System [CBS]

Kissinger’s schedule
    -State Department
         -Rogers
    -Meetings with Brezhnev
         -Conversation
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Kissinger and Haig left at an unknown time before 1:01 am, September 16, 1972.

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He said, why do you think we would object to it?
Of course, make the announcement.
So this set the mood.
Then I presented our proposal.
But then he said, then I told him I had to go to Pompidou.
He said, well, if we don't finish, maybe we can meet tomorrow.
I had said it first, all right, we'll meet tomorrow.
made one of that.
say he's bringing us along, but if
And that one word that he said,
They are in a panic.
They would like to settle.
They don't know how to do it.
They keep making moves.
For them, they have made huge concessions.
Considering where they started, that in three months they have moved from disbanding everything in South Vietnam to keeping Saigon in charge of the area of control, that's an unbelievable move for them.
That's not enough.
That's right.
That's right.
whenever.
I'll be 25.
and
They're coming over here, really.
The maritime agreement, they have to come over for some people.
Same on ,, which is the lawyer's job.
But that's done.
That maritime agreement we'll have to announce next week.
We can't hold that, because we needed to get the train loaded.
The train agreement is practically, it's 99% done.
What do you want to go over, right?
Well, that's the idea, you see, that you're giving U.S. more assets to get them to turn off when it's been a failure.
which made it up.