{"conversationCode":"780-013","tapeNumber":780,"conversationNumber":13,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-780-013","startDateTime":"1972-09-16T14:44:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1972-09-16T14:45:00.000Z","startDate":"16-Sep-1972","startTime":"10:44 AM","endDate":"16-Sep-1972","endTime":"10:45 AM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Rigley, Harold T.;","description":"On September 16, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon and Harold T. Rigley met in the Oval Office of the White House from 10:44 am to 10:45 am. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 780-013 of the White House Tapes.","locationCode":"OVAL","recordingDevice":"Oval Office","latitudeEstimated":38.8974,"longitudeEstimated":-77.0374,"chronCode":4,"chronRelease":"Fourth Chronological Release","chronReleaseDate":"10-Dec-2003","aogpRelease":null,"aogpSegment":null,"lastModified":"2015-07-27T17:04:10.235Z","findingAid":"Conversation No. 780-13\n\nDate: September 16, 1972\nTime: 10:44 am - 10:45 am\nLocation: Oval Office\n\nThe President talked with Harold T. Rigley.\n\n*****************************************************************\n\nBEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 1\n[Personal returnable]\n[Duration: 23s        ]\n\nEND WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 1\n\n*****************************************************************\n\n             1972 Utility Workers Union Convention\n                 -Miami, Florida\n                 -Union's membership\n                 -Geographic scope\n                     -Detroit\n                     -Southern California\n                 -Pacific Gas and Electric [PG&E]\n                 -Southern California [Cal] Edison\n\n             The President's schedule\n                 -Willie J. Usery, Jr.\n\n                                          (rev. Oct-06)\n\n                      -1972 election\n\n             Parting remarks","filename":["780-013.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Rigley, Harold T."],"prevCode":"780-012","nextCode":"780-014","transcript":[{"start":26.82,"end":30.26,"text":"How's your convention?"},{"start":30.3,"end":30.54,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":31.58,"end":32.16,"text":"Oh, that's right."},{"start":32.18,"end":33.16,"text":"Are you in Miami, though?"},{"start":34.55,"end":34.78,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":35.3,"end":35.55,"text":"Right."},{"start":35.83,"end":36.07,"text":"Right."},{"start":37.41,"end":37.71,"text":"Right."},{"start":37.73,"end":38.17,"text":"Uh-huh."},{"start":40.07,"end":40.39,"text":"Sure."},{"start":42.57,"end":43.15,"text":"Is that right?"},{"start":43.21,"end":43.41,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":43.87,"end":44.13,"text":"Right."},{"start":44.23,"end":44.49,"text":"Good."},{"start":44.77,"end":44.97,"text":"Good."},{"start":45.49,"end":48.45,"text":"Where do you cover most of the whole country?"},{"start":62.54,"end":63.14,"text":"Right."},{"start":63.42,"end":66.3,"text":"Oh, yeah."},{"start":66.72,"end":67.42,"text":"Oh, is that right?"},{"start":68.94,"end":69.82,"text":"Yeah, that's the one."},{"start":70.02,"end":71.16,"text":"I know Southern Cal."},{"start":71.2,"end":75.16,"text":"They're the big one down in our part of the state."},{"start":76.42,"end":78.94,"text":"Well, you tell the others that I call in when I go."},{"start":79.31,"end":85.77,"text":"I will hope to have Bill bring in one day and have him talk here in the office once we get past this election."},{"start":86.99,"end":88.61,"text":"Right."},{"start":88.71,"end":90.49,"text":"Thank you and good luck to you."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon met with Harold T. Rigley to discuss the Utility Workers Union’s recent convention in Miami and the geographic reach of the union's membership. The conversation touched upon the organization's influence in regions like Detroit and Southern California, specifically referencing Pacific Gas and Electric and Southern California Edison. Nixon expressed a desire to meet with the union leadership, facilitated by Willie J. Usery, Jr., following the conclusion of the 1972 election.","topics":["Utility Workers Union","1972 Election","Labor Unions","Willie J. Usery Jr.","Union Membership"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-07T23:29:22.811Z"},"topicSlugs":["utility-workers-union","1972-election","labor-unions","willie-j-usery-jr","union-membership"],"audioDurationSec":95,"audioFiles":[{"file":"780-013.mp3","bytes":2275786,"durationSec":94.75,"bitrate":192157,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:19:57.945Z","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/780-013.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/780-013","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/780/conversation-780-013","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). AI-generated fields (transcript, aiSummary) are provided as-is without warranty."}