{"conversationCode":"781-015","tapeNumber":781,"conversationNumber":15,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-781-015","startDateTime":"1972-09-18T16:17:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1972-09-18T16:24:00.000Z","startDate":"18-Sep-1972","startTime":"12:17 PM","endDate":"18-Sep-1972","endTime":"12:24 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Kyl, John; Clausen, Don H.; Nidecker, John E.; Friedersdorf, Max L.; White House photographer;","description":"On September 18, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon, John Kyl, Don H. Clausen, John E. Nidecker, Max L. Friedersdorf, and White House photographer met in the Oval Office of the White House from 12:17 pm to 12:24 pm. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 781-015 of the White House Tapes.","locationCode":"OVAL","recordingDevice":"Oval Office","latitudeEstimated":38.8974,"longitudeEstimated":-77.0374,"chronCode":4,"chronRelease":"Fourth Chronological Release","chronReleaseDate":"10-Dec-2003","aogpRelease":null,"aogpSegment":null,"lastModified":"2015-07-27T17:04:10.235Z","findingAid":"Conversation No. 781-15\n\nDate: September 18, 1972\nTime: 12:17 pm - 12:25 pm\nLocation: Oval Office\n\nThe President met with John H. Kyl, Don H. Clausen, John E. Nidecker, and Max L.\nFriedersdorf.\n\n                                       (rev. Oct-06)\n\n[The White House photographer was present at the beginning of the meeting.]\n\n            Greetings\n\n            [Photograph session]\n                -Crescent City, California\n                    -Photograph\n                         -Thelma C. (“Pat”) Nixon\n\n            Mrs. Nixon's schedule\n                -Chicago, Yellowstone National Park\n\n            Signing ceremony\n                -House Resolution [HR] 13089\n                     -National Forest Program\n                     -National Archives and Records Service\n\n            The President's previous visit to the People's Republic of China [PRC]\n                -Dwarf tree from Peking\n                -Planting trees\n                    -Redwood planting in Hangchow botanical garden\n                         -Sequoia tree\n                         -Chou En-lai\n                              -Replanting\n\n            White House gifts\n               -Cuff links\n                   -Presidential seal\n               -Pins\n\n            Clausen’s district\n                -Pears, wine\n                    -Delivery\n\n            Water bill\n\n            Pears, wine\n                -Delivery\n                     -White House\n\n                                        (rev. Oct-06)\n\n              Water bill\n                 -Clausen’s recent conversation with Edward S. Muskic\n                 -William H. Hersha\n                 -Wayne N. Aspinall\n                 -Walter S. Baring\n                      -Age\n                      -Health\n                 -Bella Abzug\n\n              Health\n                  -Pears\n\nKyl et al. left at 12:24 pm.","filename":["781-015.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Kyl, John","Clausen, Don H.","Nidecker, John E.","Friedersdorf, Max L.","White House photographer"],"prevCode":"781-014","nextCode":"781-016","transcript":[{"start":7.49,"end":10.69,"text":"Hi, John, how are you?"},{"start":11.05,"end":20.63,"text":"I mean, let's get one little photograph sort of standing here, chatting about the bill."},{"start":21.61,"end":27.35,"text":"If we're going to be involved, we're going to have to have some of this information."},{"start":28.41,"end":30.73,"text":"You've got so many trees."},{"start":30.75,"end":31.99,"text":"Why don't you give some to him?"},{"start":32.07,"end":36.63,"text":"We're going to have to do that."},{"start":37.83,"end":39.15,"text":"I guess that's what I want to do with this."},{"start":40.37,"end":42.19,"text":"Well, that's very good."},{"start":43.73,"end":46.61,"text":"And speaking of trees, I'm going to give you one."},{"start":46.63,"end":47.03,"text":"Oh, this one."},{"start":47.09,"end":47.33,"text":"Oh, wow."},{"start":47.47,"end":50.59,"text":"This is from the gym center out there."},{"start":53.01,"end":55.09,"text":"I'll give you the present state."},{"start":55.16,"end":58.22,"text":"That's where we're going to have a dance party."},{"start":58.26,"end":62.1,"text":"We're going to have a dance party over there."},{"start":62.38,"end":66.4,"text":"We're going to have a dance party over there."},{"start":67.62,"end":69.52,"text":"I'll take and have a picture taken with Pat."},{"start":69.58,"end":75.37,"text":"If you have a chance to visit with Tom or Tammy, if you'd like."},{"start":75.41,"end":81.05,"text":"But I thought you might like to give this to her, because this is an original."},{"start":81.73,"end":81.95,"text":"Yes."},{"start":82.01,"end":82.65,"text":"She's out."},{"start":83.67,"end":84.07,"text":"Oh, really?"},{"start":84.17,"end":85.09,"text":"Yeah, she's out."},{"start":85.37,"end":87.75,"text":"She's going to the 100th anniversary of Yellowstone."},{"start":88.19,"end":91.64,"text":"No, Chicago is going to the 100th anniversary of Yellowstone tomorrow."},{"start":91.67,"end":92.03,"text":"The next day."},{"start":92.26,"end":94.9,"text":"I'll give it to her when she comes back."},{"start":94.92,"end":96.6,"text":"Well, now let's have the signing ceremony."},{"start":133.43,"end":134.72,"text":"that go down in the archives."},{"start":134.74,"end":136.87,"text":"It's a great thing."},{"start":136.89,"end":137.57,"text":"It's a great thing."},{"start":164.64,"end":172.32,"text":"There's a little redwood out there, and we planted a redwood in China while we were there."},{"start":172.76,"end":173.22,"text":"Oh, really?"},{"start":173.49,"end":174.75,"text":"We planted one."},{"start":174.91,"end":183.43,"text":"At 11, we planted it in China in the, what was the town, you know, second stop?"},{"start":183.89,"end":184.35,"text":"San Jose."},{"start":184.37,"end":184.97,"text":"San Jose."},{"start":184.99,"end":185.53,"text":"San Jose."},{"start":192.99,"end":194.53,"text":"And it's Hang Chow, H-A-N-G, H-O-W."},{"start":194.59,"end":195.77,"text":"It's Hong Chow."},{"start":195.79,"end":197.95,"text":"They say it's Hong Chow, Hong Chow."},{"start":198.39,"end":200.8,"text":"If you say Hang Chow, that's what it is."},{"start":200.94,"end":210.27,"text":"But Hang Chow, in that beautiful park where they have these, oh, all sorts of lovely trees and so forth and workers, we planted a squirrel."},{"start":211.09,"end":214.71,"text":"And Joe and I was there, and he didn't like the place."},{"start":225.45,"end":225.82,"text":"Get out."},{"start":259.7,"end":260.32,"text":"I'll get back to you."},{"start":261.61,"end":262.35,"text":"I know that."},{"start":263.41,"end":265.39,"text":"So I'm going to be delivering new pairs."},{"start":265.41,"end":268.37,"text":"Oh, I know it's not a new kind of car."},{"start":268.47,"end":269.03,"text":"I've been around."},{"start":269.07,"end":270.75,"text":"I'm going to be delivering new pairs."},{"start":270.81,"end":276.12,"text":"I know I have a case of it, and I know my road is going to go with that."},{"start":276.2,"end":278.24,"text":"But I'll tell you what it is."},{"start":278.26,"end":283.18,"text":"Be sure on the pairs lines you do that they come to you, and they're not going to have a fight."},{"start":283.22,"end":283.96,"text":"I'll handle it."},{"start":284.02,"end":285.75,"text":"You can bring them in, because otherwise it's a shame."},{"start":318.29,"end":322.65,"text":"I got some all bearing and things."},{"start":322.69,"end":324.27,"text":"There's a chance that"},{"start":347.91,"end":348.43,"text":"I'll see you, sir."},{"start":350.75,"end":353.31,"text":"He's more ill than the old guy."},{"start":353.33,"end":354.25,"text":"We lost my chairman."},{"start":374.87,"end":375.77,"text":"All right."},{"start":375.83,"end":376.25,"text":"Let's go."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon met with Representatives John Kyl and Don H. Clausen, along with White House staff, to conduct a ceremonial photo session and discuss the signing of H.R. 13089, a bill related to the National Forest Program. The participants engaged in informal conversation regarding the President's recent visit to China, the planting of redwood trees, and the logistical delivery of regional gifts like pears and wine to the White House. The meeting concluded with brief discussions on the health and status of various members of Congress involved in water-related legislation.","topics":["H.R. 13089","National Forest Program","People's Republic of China","Redwood planting","Congressional relations","White House ceremonies"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-07T23:31:20.171Z"},"topicSlugs":["h-r-13089","national-forest-program","peoples-republic-of-china","redwood-planting","congressional-relations","white-house-ceremonies"],"audioDurationSec":400,"audioFiles":[{"file":"781-015.mp3","bytes":9604074,"durationSec":400.11,"bitrate":192030,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:19:57.945Z","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/781-015.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/781-015","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/781/conversation-781-015","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). 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