{"conversationCode":"781-027","tapeNumber":781,"conversationNumber":27,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-781-027","startDateTime":"1972-09-18T17:12:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1972-09-18T17:25:00.000Z","startDate":"18-Sep-1972","startTime":"1:12 PM","endDate":"18-Sep-1972","endTime":"1:25 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"estimated","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Butterfield, Alexander P.; Bull, Stephen B.;","description":"On September 18, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon, Alexander P. Butterfield, and Stephen B. Bull met in the Oval Office of the White House at an unknown time between 1:12 pm and 1:25 pm. 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Harlow\n                 -Congressmen\n                 -Military appreciation\n                 -Kissinger\n\n             The President’s schedule\n                 -Kenneth W. Rietz\n                 -William E. Brock\n                 -Executive Office Building [EOB] office\n                     -Elliot L. Richardson, James D. Hodgson\n\nButterfield left at an unknown time before 1:25 pm.\n\n                     -Theodore H. White\n                     -Rietz, Brock\n                 -Kissinger\n\nBull left at an unknown time before 1:25 pm.","filename":["781-027.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Butterfield, Alexander P.","Bull, Stephen B."],"prevCode":"781-026","nextCode":"781-028","transcript":[{"start":0.28,"end":4.72,"text":"I think it's good for him to be there."},{"start":6.3,"end":7.03,"text":"Come in."},{"start":7.13,"end":9.89,"text":"I'm sorry, I didn't realize it."},{"start":11.37,"end":13.07,"text":"It's our thing to say that."},{"start":13.55,"end":15.73,"text":"So if you'd rather than him."},{"start":15.85,"end":18.95,"text":"Yeah, because we had signed that pay instead of Bryce Harlow."},{"start":19.33,"end":20.21,"text":"I think it should be Henry."},{"start":20.23,"end":20.31,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":20.37,"end":20.61,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":20.63,"end":21.01,"text":"Right."},{"start":21.03,"end":23.11,"text":"Military appropriation."},{"start":23.13,"end":25.85,"text":"Henry is the one that should."},{"start":36.72,"end":38,"text":"Yes, sir."},{"start":38.66,"end":44.78,"text":"Since the remainder of your afternoon appointments are to be unannounced, would you like to conduct"},{"start":73.76,"end":75.06,"text":"I don't believe he has this present."},{"start":79.91,"end":80.75,"text":"That's a good point."},{"start":80.79,"end":81.99,"text":"I haven't thought of that."},{"start":83.85,"end":89.51,"text":"This office probably lend itself better to this background area as far as holding it here."},{"start":89.71,"end":93.49,"text":"Although, yeah, it might be more relaxed for you."},{"start":116.03,"end":116.85,"text":"Oh, yeah."},{"start":143.32,"end":145.29,"text":"We're all far out."},{"start":168.48,"end":169.91,"text":"See if Henry gets through."},{"start":170.09,"end":171.39,"text":"He's in."},{"start":171.49,"end":172.69,"text":"He's out to lunch."},{"start":172.83,"end":174.71,"text":"He's fine."},{"start":175.07,"end":175.31,"text":"He's in."},{"start":175.35,"end":176.44,"text":"Have you come over for dinner?"}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon met with Alexander Butterfield and Stephen Bull to coordinate logistics for an upcoming congressional leaders breakfast. The participants discussed the guest list, specifically determining that Henry Kissinger should lead the discussion on military appropriations. Additionally, they evaluated the suitability of the Oval Office versus the Executive Office Building for future meetings based on scheduling and the atmosphere for the President's upcoming appointments.","topics":["Congressional relations","Henry Kissinger","Military appropriations","White House scheduling","Oval Office logistics"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-07T23:32:26.930Z"},"topicSlugs":["congressional-relations","henry-kissinger","military-appropriations","white-house-scheduling","oval-office-logistics"],"audioDurationSec":183,"audioFiles":[{"file":"781-027.mp3","bytes":4393586,"durationSec":183,"bitrate":192069,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:19:57.945Z","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/781-027.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/781-027","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/781/conversation-781-027","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). 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