{"conversationCode":"781-033","tapeNumber":781,"conversationNumber":33,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-781-033","startDateTime":"1972-09-18T15:17:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1972-09-18T15:18:00.000Z","startDate":"18-Sep-1972","startTime":"11:17 AM","endDate":"18-Sep-1972","endTime":"11:18 AM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Ziegler, Ronald L.; Bull, Stephen B.;","description":"On September 18, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon, Ronald L. Ziegler, and Stephen B. Bull met in the Oval Office of the White House from 11:17 am to 11:18 am. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 781-033 of the White House Tapes.","locationCode":"OVAL","recordingDevice":"Oval Office","latitudeEstimated":38.8974,"longitudeEstimated":-77.0374,"chronCode":4,"chronRelease":"Fourth Chronological Release","chronReleaseDate":"10-Dec-2003","aogpRelease":null,"aogpSegment":null,"lastModified":"2015-07-27T17:04:10.235Z","findingAid":"Conversation No. 781-33\n\nDate: September 18, 1972\nTime: 11:17 am – 11:18 am\nLocation: Oval Office\n\nThe President met with Ronald Ziegler.\n\n             Miss America [Terry Ann Meeuwson and Laurie Lee Schaefer]\n                 -Tour\n                     -Manager\n                     -Rose Garden\n\nStephen B. Bull entered at 11:17 am.\n\n                       -White House\n\nZiegler left at 11:17 am.\n\nUnknown men entered and left at an unknown time.\n\nZiegler entered at an unknown time.\n\n                         -Chaperones\n\n             The President's previous meeting with Schaefer\n\nZiegler left at 11:18 am.\n\nBull left at 11:18 am.","filename":["781-033.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Ziegler, Ronald L.","Bull, Stephen B."],"prevCode":"781-032","nextCode":"782-001","transcript":[{"start":1.61,"end":1.83,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":1.85,"end":2.03,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":2.05,"end":2.71,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":57.53,"end":57.91,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":58.79,"end":59.71,"text":"Okay."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon met with Ronald Ziegler and Stephen B. Bull to coordinate a Rose Garden event involving Miss America winners Terry Ann Meeuwson and Laurie Lee Schaefer. The discussion focused on the logistics of the contestants' tour, the management of their appearance, and the involvement of their chaperones. The meeting served to finalize details for the President’s scheduled interaction with the titleholders.","topics":["Miss America","Rose Garden","White House logistics","Public relations","Presidential schedule"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-07T23:33:01.306Z"},"topicSlugs":["miss-america","rose-garden","white-house-logistics","public-relations","presidential-schedule"],"audioDurationSec":94,"audioFiles":[{"file":"781-033.mp3","bytes":2247574,"durationSec":93.59,"bitrate":192127,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:19:57.945Z","findingAidSource":"nixonlibrary.gov subject log (2024-05), reslice-v2","findingAidUpdatedAt":"2026-09-18T08:44:32.279Z","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/781-033.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/781-033","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/781/conversation-781-033","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). AI-generated fields (transcript, aiSummary) are provided as-is without warranty."}