{"conversationCode":"783-025","tapeNumber":783,"conversationNumber":25,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-783-025","startDateTime":"1972-09-19T19:27:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1972-09-19T19:42:00.000Z","startDate":"19-Sep-1972","startTime":"3:27 PM","endDate":"19-Sep-1972","endTime":"3:42 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Woods, Rose Mary; Bull, Stephen B.; Haldeman, H. R. (\"Bob\");","description":"On September 19, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon, Rose Mary Woods, Stephen B. Bull, and H. R. (\"Bob\") Haldeman met in the Oval Office of the White House from 3:27 pm to 3:42 pm. 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Dixon\n              -Meeting with Woods\n\n*****************************************************************\n\nBEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 2\n[Personal returnable]\n[Duration: 29s        ]\n\nEND WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 2\n\n*****************************************************************\n\n                  -Walter L. Cronkite, Jr. news broadcast\n                      -Possible terrorist bombings of Jews in US by extremist groups\n                  -Possible terrorist attacks on Jews\n                      -As campaign issue for George S. McGovern\n                           -The President’s possible statement\n                                -Woods’s view\n                           -Elmer H. Bobst’s comments about Israel’s attack on Lebanon\n                           -Jewish support for the President\n\n          Israel\n               -Reaction to Munich killings during Olympic Games\n                   -Henry A. Kissinger\n               -Soviet Jewish emigration\n                   -US –Soviet Union trade deal\n                        -American Jews\n                            -Exit permits\n                   -George F. Kennan article\n                        -Emigration to Israel\n                            -Link between migrating taxes and Lend-Lease debt\n                   -Ukrainians\n                   -Education\n                   -Poles\n               -American Jews\n                   -Bobst\n                     -Metropolitan Club\n\nBull entered at an unknown time after 3:27 pm.\n\n             The President schedule\n                 -William E. Timmons\n                     -Meeting on OEO\n\nBull left at an unknown time before 3:29 pm.\n\n             Dixon's conversation with Woods\n                 -John D. Ehrlichman\n                      -Protection of Jews in the US\n                          -Arabs\n                          -Difficulty\n                               -Radio, television, newspaper industry\n                               -Clerics\n\nH.R. (“Bob”) Haldeman entered at 3:29 pm.\n\n             OEO bill\n                -Forthcoming meeting with Timmons\n                     -Haldeman’s forthcoming conversation with Timmons\n                         -Ehrlichman\n                         -Sustainability of veto\n\nHaldeman left at 3:31 pm.\n\n             Security\n                 -Kissinger\n                      -Background\n                      -Recent trip to Great Britain\n                      -Work habits\n                      -Social life\n                          -New York\n                          -Meeting with People's Republic of China [PRC] officials\n                          -Protection in public places\n                          -Jill St. John\n                                -Publicity people\n                 -Woods's forthcoming conversation with Ehrlichman\n\n             1972 campaign\n                 -Possible release of information\n                     -McGovern\n\n               -Compared to R. Sargent Shriver\n           -Shriver\n               -News Summary\n               -Job as ambassador to France\n                    -Bugging\n                         -Lyndon B. Johnson\n                           -Robert F. Kennedy\n                        -Robert D. (“Bobby”) Baker\n\nDixon's prediction\n    -Katharine L. Graham\n         -Package\n             -Warning\n\nWatergate\n   -Dixon’s view\n        -Cubans\n            -Motivation\n                -Fidel Castro\n\nJean Dixon's predictions\n    -Alan King\n        -Telethon\n        -Real estate property in Jerusalem\n             -As possible target for anti-Jewish attack or backer for attacks\n    -Paul H. Nitze\n        -Strategic Arms Limitation Treaty [SALT] talks\n        -Possible role\n    -Soviet Union's possible ultimatum in the future\n    -Shriver\n        -Possible shooting attempt\n\nDraft remarks to Young Labor for Nixon [?]\n    -Amnesty\n         -Canada\n\nDean Taylor\n   -Request for jacket with presidential seal\n   -Leonard W. Hall\n       -Jacket\n\nBriefing\n\n              -Central Intelligence Agency [CIA]\n                  -Soviet Union\n\n          Duke University\n             -Verification of story about University of North Carolina's mascot\n                 -The President's demeanor as law school student\n\n          Nixon library\n              -Limousines\n                   -Harry S. Truman Library\n                   -Retirement of presidential limousines in current use\n                       -Ehrlichman\n                       -John F. Kennedy's assassination\n                            -Kennedy Library\n                   -Ehrlichman\n\n          International law commission\n               -Letter from Charles S. Rhyne\n               -Establishment after 1972 election\n\n          The President's schedule\n              -Harold Lee\n                  -Letter\n                  -The President’s previous trip [to Hong Kong]\n              -John Paul Hammerschmidt\n                  -Offer of gun from constituent\n                       -Gun collection as hobby\n                            -Library\n                            -Hunting\n\n*****************************************************************\n\nBEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 5\n[Personal returnable]\n[Duration: 2m 11s     ]\n\nEND WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 5\n\n*****************************************************************\n\nRose Mary Woods left at 3:42 pm.","filename":["783-025.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. 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(\"Bob\")"],"prevCode":"783-024","nextCode":"783-026","transcript":[{"start":53.19,"end":53.89,"text":"Thank you."},{"start":193.25,"end":201.6,"text":"and that we would permit them to credit the amount of their migrating tax as a payment against the business."},{"start":201.68,"end":203.8,"text":"I'm going to let the writer walk away."},{"start":204.4,"end":207.6,"text":"We could credit the amount of their migrating"},{"start":229.4,"end":230.94,"text":"In a way, I can see why."},{"start":231.06,"end":235.82,"text":"If they've educated these people, it's not like here where everybody pays their honest person."},{"start":235.94,"end":237.56,"text":"They've educated these people."},{"start":237.6,"end":242.02,"text":"Why should the Jews give out nothing to the Koreans?"},{"start":257.29,"end":260.04,"text":"at the mental hospital, you know, come on, we've done everything."},{"start":336.81,"end":338.05,"text":"You've got big church leaders."},{"start":338.49,"end":341.05,"text":"We have no way to protect that anymore."},{"start":382.62,"end":382.84,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":382.88,"end":383.6,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":384,"end":384.46,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":384.5,"end":385,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":385.02,"end":385.56,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":420.83,"end":422.02,"text":"Oh, I know you can do it."},{"start":422.04,"end":422.9,"text":"Be careful."},{"start":465.11,"end":466.28,"text":"But she's not going"},{"start":524.49,"end":525.61,"text":"We'll see about that later."},{"start":580.68,"end":586.21,"text":"Now, one name, she didn't know who it was, but her thought was Alan King."},{"start":586.25,"end":589.27,"text":"Now, he's a fine Canadian."},{"start":589.31,"end":596.74,"text":"Yeah, and Alan King was on that telephone to raise money for both parties."},{"start":596.82,"end":607.14,"text":"Well, he had a strong, but he had some building, and I'm going to find out a little bit about it in Jerusalem, and something on him, so I'm"},{"start":682.66,"end":682.74,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":730.6,"end":734.5,"text":"You know, poor old Dean, if you have another minute, I'd like to get a couple things out."},{"start":735.02,"end":744.37,"text":"Dean Taylor is asking, he says he read somewhere where you were packing out or distributing jackets bearing the presidential seal."},{"start":744.43,"end":746.6,"text":"He says it would help you in his district."},{"start":747.02,"end":749.84,"text":"I just wonder, you know, people are writing around that, won't everybody want that?"},{"start":770.63,"end":777.13,"text":"And I thought of, did you ever reach that CIA group on U.S.S.R. officials?"},{"start":778.53,"end":779.39,"text":"All of them."},{"start":779.55,"end":779.89,"text":"All of them."},{"start":780.01,"end":782.98,"text":"Okay."},{"start":786.04,"end":797.34,"text":"Somebody's asking, and I think they'll stick to this letter, whether you were with a group of Duke students who planned to, like before the big game, you were going to steal the,"},{"start":798.88,"end":801.24,"text":"I was not an undergraduate."},{"start":803.26,"end":806.56,"text":"You were not an undergraduate."},{"start":806.58,"end":807.3,"text":"I was in law school."},{"start":918.6,"end":919.36,"text":"No, it's not."},{"start":919.72,"end":924.09,"text":"I think it's probably a very good idea."},{"start":925.27,"end":926.01,"text":"Harold Lee wrote"},{"start":959.49,"end":963.29,"text":"Sure, and if you're in town, you know, that would be a good point."},{"start":963.71,"end":968.03,"text":"Okay, Congressman Hammersmith has written to the stronghold."},{"start":968.77,"end":979.82,"text":"Somebody in his district wants a talented gun engraver, wishes to hand engrave a gun for a presentation to you and wants to know what kind you would like."},{"start":1028.28,"end":1028.48,"text":"Thank you."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon met with Rose Mary Woods, Stephen Bull, and H. 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