{"conversationCode":"784-005","tapeNumber":784,"conversationNumber":5,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-784-005","startDateTime":"1972-09-21T13:55:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1972-09-21T13:56:00.000Z","startDate":"21-Sep-1972","startTime":"9:55 AM","endDate":"21-Sep-1972","endTime":"9:56 AM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Bull, Stephen B.;","description":"On September 21, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon and Stephen B. Bull met in the Oval Office of the White House from 9:55 am to 9:56 am. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 784-005 of the White House Tapes.","locationCode":"OVAL","recordingDevice":"Oval Office","latitudeEstimated":38.8974,"longitudeEstimated":-77.0374,"chronCode":4,"chronRelease":"Fourth Chronological Release","chronReleaseDate":"10-Dec-2003","aogpRelease":null,"aogpSegment":null,"lastModified":"2015-07-27T17:04:10.235Z","findingAid":"Conversation No. 784-5\n\nDate: September 21, 1972\nTime: 9:55 am - 9:56 am\nLocation: Oval Office\n\nThe President met with Stephen B. Bull.\n\n              The President's schedule\n                  -Dinner at John B. Connally's home, September 22, 1972\n                      -Democrats for Nixon\n                           -Leaders compared to staff\n\nBull left at 9:56 am.","filename":["784-005.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Bull, Stephen B."],"prevCode":"784-004","nextCode":"784-006","aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon met briefly with Stephen B. Bull to discuss the guest list for an upcoming dinner at John B. Connally's home on September 22, 1972. Nixon was particularly interested in distinguishing between the leaders and the staff members attending from the \"Democrats for Nixon\" group. Bull confirmed he had a breakdown of attendees that could address the President's concern.","topics":["Democrats for Nixon","John B. Connally dinner","Guest list","VIPs vs. staff","Political strategy"],"generatedAt":"2026-10-27T15:03:20.716Z"},"topicSlugs":["democrats-for-nixon","john-b-connally-dinner","guest-list","vips-vs-staff","political-strategy"],"audioDurationSec":35,"audioFiles":[{"file":"784-005.mp3","bytes":836962,"durationSec":34.81,"bitrate":192331,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:19:57.945Z","transcript":[{"start":0,"end":2,"speaker":"Nixon","text":"to find out now."},{"start":5,"end":20,"speaker":"Nixon","text":"[unintelligible] 40 to 50 are going to be there outside, what I want is how many people are the leaders of the Democrats for Nixon and how many are satchel carriers, briefcase carriers, you see what I mean?"},{"start":20,"end":22,"speaker":"Bull","text":"I have a breakdown like that, sir. Would you like to see that?"},{"start":22,"end":31,"speaker":"Nixon","text":"How about the number, basically? [unintelligible] how many are members of the staff and so forth, and so I'm thinking of [unintelligible]"},{"start":31,"end":33,"speaker":"Bull","text":"[unintelligible]"},{"start":33,"end":34,"speaker":"Nixon","text":"All right."}],"transcriptCreatedAt":"2026-10-27T14:56:45.044Z","transcriptModel":"google/gemini-3.8-flash","transcriptSource":"audio-llm","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/784-005.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/784-005","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/784/conversation-784-005","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). AI-generated fields (transcript, aiSummary) are provided as-is without warranty."}